“the entire 1914/607/adventist root will be discarded.“
could someone explain this a bit more please?
where did the entire 1914/607/adventist root thing start?
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JWs unrecognisable compared to my grandfathers time
by ExBethelitenowPIMA inmy grandfather who has been dead for 37 years would not recognise the borganisation today.
he would turn in his grave if he knew the end didn’t come by 2023.. back in the 1970s he really believed in the 75 thing.
he was so disappointed and almost blamed everyone else why the end didn’t come.
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JWs unrecognisable compared to my grandfathers time
by ExBethelitenowPIMA inmy grandfather who has been dead for 37 years would not recognise the borganisation today.
he would turn in his grave if he knew the end didn’t come by 2023.. back in the 1970s he really believed in the 75 thing.
he was so disappointed and almost blamed everyone else why the end didn’t come.
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ExBethelitenowPIMA
My grandfather who has been dead for 37 years would not recognise the borganisation today. He would turn in his grave if he knew the end didn’t come by 2023.
back in the 1970s he really believed in the 75 thing. He was so disappointed and almost blamed everyone else why the end didn’t come. If anyone talked about making plans for the near future he would tell them off saying there is no way this old system will last much longer.
The big problem is that very old doctrine was never meant to last this long.
here we are 2023 and the next generation has grown up propagating old ideas from men who have all died already
We are too far away from 1914 by now, but this new generation can’t think of a way to get away from it.
how can they now? The overlapping nonsense was designed to buy some time, perhaps enough time for the current crop to be looked after in luxury but the next generation of top dogs will have to think of a way to get away from 1914 and 607bce. 77 week prophecy that we all know is wrong.
Many times it is said in prayers at the KH about our reigning king Jesus. They believe he has been reigning king since 1914. But the further we get away from 1914 the more people will doubt this.
my guess is at some point over the next few decades they will announce new light. They will probably do it gradually and the organisation will be unrecognisable compared to what it was a few decades ago.
it’s constantly changing. There will be hardly anyone disfellowshipped from now on with the change that if someone says going to the JD will make them suicidal then nothing will happen. It’s a get out of jail free card.
the reduction in ministry these days we only do ten mins then have coffee break
elders have a much easier job, there is no preparation needed to take any items these days.
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"How Long Would Jesus' Reign Be?"
by BoogerMan insimple enough question for a jw to answer, because the org has told them for over 100 years that, .
a) jesus would reign for 1000 years, and.
b) that his reign began in 1914 when he became king.
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ExBethelitenowPIMA
The big problem is that very old doctrine was never meant to last this long.
here we are 2023 and the next generation has grown up propagating old ideas from men who have all died already
We are too far away from 1914 by now, but this new generation can’t think of a way to get away from it.
how can they now? The overlapping nonsense was designed to buy some time, perhaps enough time for the current crop to be looked after in luxury but the next generation of top dogs will have to think of a way to get away from 1914 and 607bce. 77 week prophecy that we all know is wrong.
Many times it is said in prayers at the KH about our reigning king Jesus. They believe he has been reigning king since 1914. But the further we get away from 1914 the more people will doubt this.
my guess is at some point over the next few decades they will announce new light. They will probably do it gradually and the organisation will be unrecognisable compared to what it was a few decades ago.
it’s constantly changing. There will be hardly anyone disfellowshipped from now on with the change that if someone says going to the JD will make them suicidal then nothing will happen. It’s a get out of jail free card.
the reduction in ministry these days we only do ten mins then have coffee break
elders have a much easier job, there is no preparation needed to take any items these days.
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JW current stance on Vaccines?
by lcarter017 init came to my attention that the covid-19 vaccine works by editing the genetic code of the mitochondrial dna, using gene therapy.. you should seriously question the moral implications of allowing a part of your dna to be modified.
does anyone have any concerns about this?if anyone has any questions, i can do my best to explain.
i personally find it very suspicious how they chose to word it, and conveniently inform us of this fact "after" people have taken the vaccine..
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ExBethelitenowPIMA
I’m not antivax. I am anti harmful injections that are not safe for humans.
these latest injections are not vaccines they are new medical experiments that are not safe at all.
the amount of excess deaths above baseline is increasing and will continue to as these shots have damaged health and shortened lives
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Investment departments in Bethel
by Mikejw ini was a bethelite in london for many years then got reassigned to the field and then went on brd from the start of chelmsford right upto covid.. during my years at the branch i was sometimes asked to be on a team who went to homes donated to the branch when some older one died.. this happenes an awful lot, everything is left to the branch in the will.
the unbelieving family is furious they didn’t get left anything and sometimes they tried to get their elderly relatives possessions and there was a legal battle .
but in the end a team of us would go and empty the property and another team would clean it up and put it on the market to sell it for the worldwide work.. all the possessions were sorted into trash or possibly valuable .
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Smilesa year ago
Now, if we could just expose the source and symbolism of those curious WT finger rings.
I haven’t seen the two new new members of the GB wearing pinky rings yet, they obviously haven’t got upto 33 degree yet but they are probably on the fast track.
the top secret societies need to penetrate all organisations with any power. JWs have millions of members and followers so they need to have control by the very top level secret societies
when you look back at the Borg it was obvious at the start Masonic symbols and halls
then more recently it’s been hidden somewhat but all top GB member have pinky rings
this has always been the case, can you find any time where there were no GB members wearing pinky rings?
my friend Peter Bullock knew about it and I wished I asked him more before he died.
Franz knew but never mentioned in his books for some reason.
I wonder how involved ToMo3 is and how much effort is being made to keep the secrets secret?
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Investment departments in Bethel
by Mikejw ini was a bethelite in london for many years then got reassigned to the field and then went on brd from the start of chelmsford right upto covid.. during my years at the branch i was sometimes asked to be on a team who went to homes donated to the branch when some older one died.. this happenes an awful lot, everything is left to the branch in the will.
the unbelieving family is furious they didn’t get left anything and sometimes they tried to get their elderly relatives possessions and there was a legal battle .
but in the end a team of us would go and empty the property and another team would clean it up and put it on the market to sell it for the worldwide work.. all the possessions were sorted into trash or possibly valuable .
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ExBethelitenowPIMA
There was a real problem with people leaving last will and testimony to the Borg, unbelievers who thought they would get something in the will from their older relatives found out everything went to the Borg
I was involved with teams who went in the bethel vans to do house clearance of older ones who died and left everything to the Borg
I have talked about my friend Peter Bullock who worked closely with Jewish dealers to sell anything valuable that was left in the will.
when I was at Bethel there was a vault full of gold and jewellery even fine art. I suspect the big wigs get first dibs on anything and for them it’s voluntary donations how much they give for that expensive watch or something else that was donated. They may not give anything and nobody would know they could just go into the vault and take what they wanted.
only the branch committee and Peter could enter the vault.
I once went in there with Peter as we worked together and I brought in heavy boxes of precious metals and stones that one old brother had left in his will.
I was absolutely amazed how much wealth was in this vault in London. I asked Peter why don’t you sell everything as you get it, he said it takes time to get best prices for everything and sometimes it better to wait a long time to get top prices for everything
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Reddit post about elder asking congregation for money to fix his car!
by LongHairGal inyes, there’s a post on reddit.
it says that after a zoom meeting a request was made to baptized publishers to give $20 apiece to fix this elder’s car.. while this sounds highly irregular to me and not necessarily approved by the religion, i am not at all surprised at the nerve.
this, unfortunately, seems to be the direction that things are going there!
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ExBethelitenowPIMA
There was a real problem with people leaving last will and testimony to the Borg, unbelievers who thought they would get something in the will from their older relatives found out everything went to the Borg
I was involved with teams who went in the bethel vans to do house clearance of older ones who died and left everything to the Borg
I have talked about my friend Peter Bullock who worked closely with Jewish dealers to sell anything valuable that was left in the will.
when I was at Bethel there was a vault full of gold and jewellery even fine art. I suspect the big wigs get first dibs on anything and for them it’s voluntary donations how much they give for that expensive watch or something else that was donated. They may not give anything and nobody would know they could just go into the vault and take what they wanted.
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An interesting book
by joao incan anyone tell me the reason why jw.org has never mentioned this book: the obedience of a christian man, by william tyndale?
i mean, they talk and write articles about his translation of the bible, about him being against the pope, etc.
so, why didn't i ever read or hear about this interesting book?.
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ExBethelitenowPIMA
They always said he was 144k
it doesn’t make any sense because they say there were thousands in the first century and then there were many Bible translators and other through the centuries who were burned alive and other things who are part of the 144k
now there are many many thousands in the last few hundred years and they are still reporting tens of thousands who take the emblems today
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Reddit post about elder asking congregation for money to fix his car!
by LongHairGal inyes, there’s a post on reddit.
it says that after a zoom meeting a request was made to baptized publishers to give $20 apiece to fix this elder’s car.. while this sounds highly irregular to me and not necessarily approved by the religion, i am not at all surprised at the nerve.
this, unfortunately, seems to be the direction that things are going there!
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ExBethelitenowPIMA
Ex Bethelite.
Since when get SP’s their rent, car and bills (what kind of bills) paid?
I have been a SP before being a missionary and all we received was an allowance and we had to pay everything with that money. “Living the good life”? Are you joking? I had two work a day a week just to not starve.
Reading your posts I sometimes wonder
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Fulano Reading your posts I sometimes wonder but I guess you have been out a long time.
Im good friends with a special pioneer couple in my congregation and I can confirm what I said is correct and you are wrong currently
What you said may have been right back in the day but now you are wrong and I am right.
Its life on east street for them. The branch gives them a car which they take to the branch for it to be serviced. They have a really nice house which they have rent and all bills paid
they have an allowance but never have to buy much as the congregation feeds them and pays for them all over the place
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Censuring medicine and information; our new culture.
by was a new boy in'last night's flccc weekly update featured stories of families who fought in court to compel hospitals to give their loved ones ivermectin.
that it has come to this is tragic.
63 studies have now shown ivermectin’s efficacy in all stages of c19 disease.'.
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ExBethelitenowPIMA
“Wonder if $ was given to Watchtower too? @ 22:15 ”
This is huge. Yes its easier to take silver than lead.
Threaten or bribe.
Well in the case of the vaccines there was so much money involved all along the line it was a case of both.
All organised religions went along with pushing the vax. This was partly from threats and partly other incentives like tax exemptions and the like.
I really thought at the start of the madness that the Borg would remain neutral. Then we started getting word that each vaccine did not contain blood so it was ok to take.
Next thing we had very forceful direction to be fully vaccinated and then they pushed the propaganda every month with the gov body updates which should have been called the “please keep taking the vaccines” updates.
David Spain even said about keeping yourself fully vaccinated “you may wonder what these brothers know, wrong question. What does Jehovah know”
They gave the Biblical example of that one chap who was told to go bath in the river to be cured of his illness and said all we have been asked to do keep taking these injections!