All this confusion about the where the 1914 thing started is going to be good for the Borg when they try to get away from it.
it would be great if someone could come up with a concise explanation
ExBethelitenowPIMA
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JWs unrecognisable compared to my grandfathers time
by ExBethelitenowPIMA inmy grandfather who has been dead for 37 years would not recognise the borganisation today.
he would turn in his grave if he knew the end didn’t come by 2023.. back in the 1970s he really believed in the 75 thing.
he was so disappointed and almost blamed everyone else why the end didn’t come.
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JWs unrecognisable compared to my grandfathers time
by ExBethelitenowPIMA inmy grandfather who has been dead for 37 years would not recognise the borganisation today.
he would turn in his grave if he knew the end didn’t come by 2023.. back in the 1970s he really believed in the 75 thing.
he was so disappointed and almost blamed everyone else why the end didn’t come.
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“Astute comment. In a broader sense, the changes to the format of all or most of the meetings is a big part of the religion's change in the last 15 years. Ministry School, Service meeting, shorter public talk, all of them added together makes the typical meeting quite different“
the only item that requires a bit of preparation is the first ten min treasures talk. But even that you could turn up unprepared and give it from the material just read the WT provided and look up the scriptures and talk about the pic
then the digging is just q&a
all the student assignments are just saying the sample suggestions in your own words
In the living as Christians part of the meeting it’s also all on rails, just what is in the workbook usually a video and then Q&A.
there is no preparation needed. Life on east street for normal elders.
the joke is how many elders does it take to change a light bulb. None they get a MS to do it and tell him it’s a privilege 🤣
the three on the service committee do have a lot to do, and some MSs have a lot to do but most normal elders don’t do much at all.
they get treated so well, if ever there is a need for it they are bombarded with meals and boxes of treats.
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JWs unrecognisable compared to my grandfathers time
by ExBethelitenowPIMA inmy grandfather who has been dead for 37 years would not recognise the borganisation today.
he would turn in his grave if he knew the end didn’t come by 2023.. back in the 1970s he really believed in the 75 thing.
he was so disappointed and almost blamed everyone else why the end didn’t come.
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The other big change is how elders have a much easier time than years ago.
There is such a shortage of brothers wanting to reach out that it’s being made easier for elders to try to keep as many as possible
some elders just say no to assignments and the other elders on my body say someone’s got to do it. Yes somebody has to but it’s not my problem
the cost of living crisis and other difficulties nowadays make many elders just say I’m going to be elder in name only and not actually do much at all, just a few easy items every now and then.
mind you all are easy now, no preparation needed at all. I could turn up to any meeting and last min be asked to take a part and just get up there and do it from the material all I need is my phone
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JWs unrecognisable compared to my grandfathers time
by ExBethelitenowPIMA inmy grandfather who has been dead for 37 years would not recognise the borganisation today.
he would turn in his grave if he knew the end didn’t come by 2023.. back in the 1970s he really believed in the 75 thing.
he was so disappointed and almost blamed everyone else why the end didn’t come.
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“the entire 1914/607/adventist root will be discarded.“
could someone explain this a bit more please?
where did the entire 1914/607/adventist root thing start?
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JWs unrecognisable compared to my grandfathers time
by ExBethelitenowPIMA inmy grandfather who has been dead for 37 years would not recognise the borganisation today.
he would turn in his grave if he knew the end didn’t come by 2023.. back in the 1970s he really believed in the 75 thing.
he was so disappointed and almost blamed everyone else why the end didn’t come.
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My grandfather who has been dead for 37 years would not recognise the borganisation today. He would turn in his grave if he knew the end didn’t come by 2023.
back in the 1970s he really believed in the 75 thing. He was so disappointed and almost blamed everyone else why the end didn’t come. If anyone talked about making plans for the near future he would tell them off saying there is no way this old system will last much longer.
The big problem is that very old doctrine was never meant to last this long.
here we are 2023 and the next generation has grown up propagating old ideas from men who have all died already
We are too far away from 1914 by now, but this new generation can’t think of a way to get away from it.
how can they now? The overlapping nonsense was designed to buy some time, perhaps enough time for the current crop to be looked after in luxury but the next generation of top dogs will have to think of a way to get away from 1914 and 607bce. 77 week prophecy that we all know is wrong.
Many times it is said in prayers at the KH about our reigning king Jesus. They believe he has been reigning king since 1914. But the further we get away from 1914 the more people will doubt this.
my guess is at some point over the next few decades they will announce new light. They will probably do it gradually and the organisation will be unrecognisable compared to what it was a few decades ago.
it’s constantly changing. There will be hardly anyone disfellowshipped from now on with the change that if someone says going to the JD will make them suicidal then nothing will happen. It’s a get out of jail free card.
the reduction in ministry these days we only do ten mins then have coffee break
elders have a much easier job, there is no preparation needed to take any items these days.
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"How Long Would Jesus' Reign Be?"
by BoogerMan insimple enough question for a jw to answer, because the org has told them for over 100 years that, .
a) jesus would reign for 1000 years, and.
b) that his reign began in 1914 when he became king.
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ExBethelitenowPIMA
The big problem is that very old doctrine was never meant to last this long.
here we are 2023 and the next generation has grown up propagating old ideas from men who have all died already
We are too far away from 1914 by now, but this new generation can’t think of a way to get away from it.
how can they now? The overlapping nonsense was designed to buy some time, perhaps enough time for the current crop to be looked after in luxury but the next generation of top dogs will have to think of a way to get away from 1914 and 607bce. 77 week prophecy that we all know is wrong.
Many times it is said in prayers at the KH about our reigning king Jesus. They believe he has been reigning king since 1914. But the further we get away from 1914 the more people will doubt this.
my guess is at some point over the next few decades they will announce new light. They will probably do it gradually and the organisation will be unrecognisable compared to what it was a few decades ago.
it’s constantly changing. There will be hardly anyone disfellowshipped from now on with the change that if someone says going to the JD will make them suicidal then nothing will happen. It’s a get out of jail free card.
the reduction in ministry these days we only do ten mins then have coffee break
elders have a much easier job, there is no preparation needed to take any items these days.
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JW current stance on Vaccines?
by lcarter017 init came to my attention that the covid-19 vaccine works by editing the genetic code of the mitochondrial dna, using gene therapy.. you should seriously question the moral implications of allowing a part of your dna to be modified.
does anyone have any concerns about this?if anyone has any questions, i can do my best to explain.
i personally find it very suspicious how they chose to word it, and conveniently inform us of this fact "after" people have taken the vaccine..
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ExBethelitenowPIMA
I’m not antivax. I am anti harmful injections that are not safe for humans.
these latest injections are not vaccines they are new medical experiments that are not safe at all.
the amount of excess deaths above baseline is increasing and will continue to as these shots have damaged health and shortened lives
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Investment departments in Bethel
by Mikejw ini was a bethelite in london for many years then got reassigned to the field and then went on brd from the start of chelmsford right upto covid.. during my years at the branch i was sometimes asked to be on a team who went to homes donated to the branch when some older one died.. this happenes an awful lot, everything is left to the branch in the will.
the unbelieving family is furious they didn’t get left anything and sometimes they tried to get their elderly relatives possessions and there was a legal battle .
but in the end a team of us would go and empty the property and another team would clean it up and put it on the market to sell it for the worldwide work.. all the possessions were sorted into trash or possibly valuable .
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Smilesa year ago
Now, if we could just expose the source and symbolism of those curious WT finger rings.
I haven’t seen the two new new members of the GB wearing pinky rings yet, they obviously haven’t got upto 33 degree yet but they are probably on the fast track.
the top secret societies need to penetrate all organisations with any power. JWs have millions of members and followers so they need to have control by the very top level secret societies
when you look back at the Borg it was obvious at the start Masonic symbols and halls
then more recently it’s been hidden somewhat but all top GB member have pinky rings
this has always been the case, can you find any time where there were no GB members wearing pinky rings?
my friend Peter Bullock knew about it and I wished I asked him more before he died.
Franz knew but never mentioned in his books for some reason.
I wonder how involved ToMo3 is and how much effort is being made to keep the secrets secret?
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Investment departments in Bethel
by Mikejw ini was a bethelite in london for many years then got reassigned to the field and then went on brd from the start of chelmsford right upto covid.. during my years at the branch i was sometimes asked to be on a team who went to homes donated to the branch when some older one died.. this happenes an awful lot, everything is left to the branch in the will.
the unbelieving family is furious they didn’t get left anything and sometimes they tried to get their elderly relatives possessions and there was a legal battle .
but in the end a team of us would go and empty the property and another team would clean it up and put it on the market to sell it for the worldwide work.. all the possessions were sorted into trash or possibly valuable .
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ExBethelitenowPIMA
There was a real problem with people leaving last will and testimony to the Borg, unbelievers who thought they would get something in the will from their older relatives found out everything went to the Borg
I was involved with teams who went in the bethel vans to do house clearance of older ones who died and left everything to the Borg
I have talked about my friend Peter Bullock who worked closely with Jewish dealers to sell anything valuable that was left in the will.
when I was at Bethel there was a vault full of gold and jewellery even fine art. I suspect the big wigs get first dibs on anything and for them it’s voluntary donations how much they give for that expensive watch or something else that was donated. They may not give anything and nobody would know they could just go into the vault and take what they wanted.
only the branch committee and Peter could enter the vault.
I once went in there with Peter as we worked together and I brought in heavy boxes of precious metals and stones that one old brother had left in his will.
I was absolutely amazed how much wealth was in this vault in London. I asked Peter why don’t you sell everything as you get it, he said it takes time to get best prices for everything and sometimes it better to wait a long time to get top prices for everything
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Reddit post about elder asking congregation for money to fix his car!
by LongHairGal inyes, there’s a post on reddit.
it says that after a zoom meeting a request was made to baptized publishers to give $20 apiece to fix this elder’s car.. while this sounds highly irregular to me and not necessarily approved by the religion, i am not at all surprised at the nerve.
this, unfortunately, seems to be the direction that things are going there!
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ExBethelitenowPIMA
There was a real problem with people leaving last will and testimony to the Borg, unbelievers who thought they would get something in the will from their older relatives found out everything went to the Borg
I was involved with teams who went in the bethel vans to do house clearance of older ones who died and left everything to the Borg
I have talked about my friend Peter Bullock who worked closely with Jewish dealers to sell anything valuable that was left in the will.
when I was at Bethel there was a vault full of gold and jewellery even fine art. I suspect the big wigs get first dibs on anything and for them it’s voluntary donations how much they give for that expensive watch or something else that was donated. They may not give anything and nobody would know they could just go into the vault and take what they wanted.