Posts by ExBethelitenowPIMA

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If you were to design a new religion?

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

what the jw sect has become and is slowly becoming is far more near what i thought could be a good religion based on the bible.. no more counting hours and no more blindly following direction now they admit they are not inspired.. i would like to design a new sect inside the jws.

it has to be kept secret because the elders would not like it.. this new sect involves giving a tick every month or so saying you are still kindof active talking about the bible.. going to meetings occasionally and attending on zoom sometimes.

very rarely go to ministry groups but don’t ever do first call, just say you are doing street work and have a nice walk somewhere maybe the shops or the park.

ExBethelitenowPIMA

JW lite is working brilliant

and the masses haven’t even seen the AGM yet

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Greenlees, Chapman and Chitty

by Libby in

so after being rudely awakened by a cat fight outside (it's 3am here in the uk) and then proceeding to go outside to rescue my cats from the neighbourhood tom....... i'm now laying wide awake trying to make sense of jw "truth".

(it's all my mind does these days, the lights gone on and won't turn off).

anyway i found myself reading about the gb and came across these fellows , greenlees, chapman and chitty.

ExBethelitenowPIMA

Please could someone correct or confirm what we can be sure of as fact and what it unconfirmed.

Disgraced GB member Greenlees who is confirmed to have been a nonce, an old man who has some kind of sexual deviancy with young ones in his case boys. In his case young Bethelites and a number of them over the years?

Disgraced GB member Chitty similar story and maybe partners in crime same NY Bethel late 1960s through early 1980s. Chitty who was actually caught in the act with at least one teenage boy?

Same time period same Bethel in NY Disgraced GB member Jarez also had accusations of being a nonce. He is said to be named on the secret database of nonces that the Borg is spending so much money and effort trying to stop it going public. The latest announcement asking for those with legal expertise please come and work for free for the Borg.

I have seen a video of one of the victims who accused Jarez of molesting him when he was a boy. He seems believable.

Now all these years later multiple adult CSA victims have accused Disgraced GB member Tony Morris 3rd of being part of a pedophile network same place and about the same time period when the victims were very young even though he wasn’t GB at that time.

Many other names like Br Chapman and Br Vertalomo and others have been mentioned but we’re not GB members. Br Vertalmo who was friends with To y Morris 3rd actually got convicted of being a nonce and served time for it.

His victims said he ran a pedo ring inside the NY headquarters of JWs.

Please can someone confirm or correct this information?

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If you were to design a new religion?

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

what the jw sect has become and is slowly becoming is far more near what i thought could be a good religion based on the bible.. no more counting hours and no more blindly following direction now they admit they are not inspired.. i would like to design a new sect inside the jws.

it has to be kept secret because the elders would not like it.. this new sect involves giving a tick every month or so saying you are still kindof active talking about the bible.. going to meetings occasionally and attending on zoom sometimes.

very rarely go to ministry groups but don’t ever do first call, just say you are doing street work and have a nice walk somewhere maybe the shops or the park.

ExBethelitenowPIMA

No zombie as you say it all comes down to the GB. Everything comes down to this DO YOU TRUST THE GB? Everything is all because the GB say so and most PIMIs are so indoctrinated they actually believe what the GB says is as if Jehovah is saying it.

So if it all comes down to do you trust the GB all these years then you have to ask the question how come some of them have been nonces?

Greenlees and Chitty were both members of the GB and both were found out to be sexually deviant with boys.

Jarez was the longest serving member of the GB and has had similar accusations made which seems to be the reason why the Borg is spending so much money keeping these documents unreleased to the public.

Now Fat Tony has also had similar accusations made against him by more than one CSI victim.

So if it all comes down to do you trust these men are who they claim to be then how could these ones claim to be who they claim to be?

Chitty came back to London and the official story was he was home sick and that’s why he was removed from the GB.

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The Watchtower—Study Edition | December 2023 ...Are you marriage material?

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

the watchtower—study edition | december 2023. study article 52. young sisters—become mature christian women.

18 you may choose to get married.

the qualities and skills that we have discussed will help you to become a capable wife.

ExBethelitenowPIMA

Longhairgal “I hope the ‘skills’ needed to support a wife include a trade and/or well-paying job! He has to be serious about this. They mention ‘employment’ so maybe they are inching closer to reality about this.”

YES they are inching closer to brothers getting good employment. They keep saying if you can’t provide for your family then you are worse than one without faith.

the cost of living crisis means you have to earn more and more just to keep your head above water.

years ago education was frowned upon, these days they are only frowning on really advanced education that takes years, but shorter degrees or higher qualifications seem to be encouraged at least inching that way

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If you were to design a new religion?

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

what the jw sect has become and is slowly becoming is far more near what i thought could be a good religion based on the bible.. no more counting hours and no more blindly following direction now they admit they are not inspired.. i would like to design a new sect inside the jws.

it has to be kept secret because the elders would not like it.. this new sect involves giving a tick every month or so saying you are still kindof active talking about the bible.. going to meetings occasionally and attending on zoom sometimes.

very rarely go to ministry groups but don’t ever do first call, just say you are doing street work and have a nice walk somewhere maybe the shops or the park.

ExBethelitenowPIMA

peacefulpete10 hours ago

Define "religion". Do you mean a collective of people who share the same values and beliefs? That is also called a "circle jerk".

Do you mean people who enjoy getting together for support and sharing of ideas? That is also called a "salon" group“

yes I love that video cakebuilding song

Even a group of people who like trainspoting could be called a religious group. I know some people are mad about a certain sport or activity like fishing it becomes a religion for them.

some on here are so focused on evolution it has become a religion.

some people are bored and lonely so they want to be part of something

im staying physically in because this new JWLITE suits me. Being agnostic inside the JWs is my new religion

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If you were to design a new religion?

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

what the jw sect has become and is slowly becoming is far more near what i thought could be a good religion based on the bible.. no more counting hours and no more blindly following direction now they admit they are not inspired.. i would like to design a new sect inside the jws.

it has to be kept secret because the elders would not like it.. this new sect involves giving a tick every month or so saying you are still kindof active talking about the bible.. going to meetings occasionally and attending on zoom sometimes.

very rarely go to ministry groups but don’t ever do first call, just say you are doing street work and have a nice walk somewhere maybe the shops or the park.

ExBethelitenowPIMA

no-zombie16 hours ago

ExbethelitenowPIMA, I think that it still would be a mistake to publicly voice your differences regarding the Governing Body and their teachings. Because if the trend we are seeing continues to develop, it could take 5 years before the Faith has toned down, but during that time, it still would be easy to get disfellowshipped for apostasy“

What do you mean 5 years no zombie?

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If you were to design a new religion?

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

what the jw sect has become and is slowly becoming is far more near what i thought could be a good religion based on the bible.. no more counting hours and no more blindly following direction now they admit they are not inspired.. i would like to design a new sect inside the jws.

it has to be kept secret because the elders would not like it.. this new sect involves giving a tick every month or so saying you are still kindof active talking about the bible.. going to meetings occasionally and attending on zoom sometimes.

very rarely go to ministry groups but don’t ever do first call, just say you are doing street work and have a nice walk somewhere maybe the shops or the park.

ExBethelitenowPIMA

2023 AGM changed everything. After covid in person ministry dropped right off. No more reporting hours was a necessary new light to hide this fact. But now in person ministry will drop off even more. Some won’t do anymore in person ministry ever again or hardly at all. This is the new JWLITE option.

Everyone loved zoom ministry, letter writing didn’t happen that much just a good old natter. I love zoom get togethers and the letter writing is just an excuse. Now we don’t have to go on in person ministry and nobody will know. But instead occasionally go to ministry groups and say you are going to do informal witnessing at shops or park. Then meet up for the coffee breaks.

Saturday morning groups can be something to look forward to as no more in person doors. Either informal witnessing which is an excuse to look around the shops or a nice walk around the park.

In person meetings are optional and sometimes very upbuilding and encouraging. But sometimes stay at home in your PJs on zoom without camera.

Ignore direction from the GB who tell you what to think instead of how to think. Far better this new JWLITE is to think for yourself. If someone is an evil person then I would shun them, but it will be my decision not because someone else told me to.

Any further direction from the GB needs to be thought about very carefully and then make your own mind up. And the new JWLITE option means you can voice your opinion that you don’t agree with the direction to take these injections or whatever. No thanks I’m going to disagree with the GB on this.

I also disagree about 1914. I don’t mind saying I think the GB are wrong about this and soon they will release new light that shows I was right.

If I am accused of causing devision in the congregation then I will say I’m feeling suicidal if I have a judicial committee. The new direction says no JD should take place while the person says it would make them suicidal.

So yes this new JWLITE can have all the good things with none of the bad things. If it turns out JW doctrine is wrong then you won’t look back with regret on a wasted life.

If JWs are right about all or at least a lot of things then your good either way as they now say last minute repentance

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If you were to design a new religion?

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

what the jw sect has become and is slowly becoming is far more near what i thought could be a good religion based on the bible.. no more counting hours and no more blindly following direction now they admit they are not inspired.. i would like to design a new sect inside the jws.

it has to be kept secret because the elders would not like it.. this new sect involves giving a tick every month or so saying you are still kindof active talking about the bible.. going to meetings occasionally and attending on zoom sometimes.

very rarely go to ministry groups but don’t ever do first call, just say you are doing street work and have a nice walk somewhere maybe the shops or the park.

ExBethelitenowPIMA

“there’s no way that the borg’s teachings are “bible based”.”

Ozzie the point of this new JWLITE is you take the good stuff and leave the bad stuff. Happy families, good friends, good association part of strong community. Always there for each other.

Staying in the congregation for the good people there. People you can trust to be there for you and you will be there for them in times of need.

I would add that having a hope based on the Bibles promises can be very comforting. I’m often going to hospital or peoples homes lately if one’s in need and I keep telling them the Bibles promises.

Maybe the Bible is just another book written by men or maybe there is more to it. But I find the Bible very beneficial and I find being in the congregation very beneficial and brings happiness.

From now on I will not follow direction from the GB because in their own words they are not inspired and they do get things wrong in doctrinal and organisational direction.

I will not follow the direction on shunning and from now on I will not be afraid to voice my opinions that maybe the GB are wrong about 1914 and many other issues

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Looking for those with legal expertise to work for free

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

an announcement to all congregations those with legal experience please come and work for free to cover up child abusers.. i mean what else would it be for?.

the cheek of it.. so the direction was always don’t go for advanced education and careers but now they are looking for such ones to give if their time and education for free?.

ExBethelitenowPIMA

The way the letter was read to all congregations must have got some very puzzling looks. It certainly did in my congregation.

The way it started was almost as if a new school for kingdom evangelisers or something, but the word LEGAL was in there. It was like a new exciting avenue of service but then hang on that doesn’t make sense but don’t worry about that for now. Any who want to apply please submit an application.

All the enthusiastic die hard PIMI’s are thinking “Oh a new school I want to be a part of that” but then they see the hypocrisy when we were all told not to go for further education.

Everyone must be asking the question why are they asking for those with legal experience?

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If you were to design a new religion?

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

what the jw sect has become and is slowly becoming is far more near what i thought could be a good religion based on the bible.. no more counting hours and no more blindly following direction now they admit they are not inspired.. i would like to design a new sect inside the jws.

it has to be kept secret because the elders would not like it.. this new sect involves giving a tick every month or so saying you are still kindof active talking about the bible.. going to meetings occasionally and attending on zoom sometimes.

very rarely go to ministry groups but don’t ever do first call, just say you are doing street work and have a nice walk somewhere maybe the shops or the park.

ExBethelitenowPIMA

No Zombie thanks for excellent post. I agree 100% and you articulated it so well. This new JW lite version could take all the good things and leave all the bad things but still remain in the congregation. Just ignore the shunning and the bad advice about further education ect ect.

Balaamsass as you say there are more JWs already doing this version of JW lite than most of us imagine.

Thanks for that link https://beroeans.net/ yes there already is a shadow JW lite version behind the scenes. Has been for years but this latest AGM has brought it to the surface. And most JWs haven’t even seen it yet, so just wait a few weeks when it’s on broadcast and it will be interesting to see what happens in the congregations.

My suggestion is this - We try to make it go viral that this new JW lite option means you can stay in the congregation but no more need to do field service unless you want to occasionally. You can live by Bible standards but ignore the GB shunning policies and openly say you don’t agree with the GB on this or that.

This AGM they have implied that even if you want to sit on the fence then that is ok because you can jump the right side of the fence last minute.

I’m not suggesting drawing attention to yourself in the congregation. You don’t want to stand out and keep getting called into the back room but even if that does happen you can refuse to speak to the elders. If they really push it you can now say you may be feeling suicidal if the elders keep on pushing you to talk with them please leave me alone.