Posts by ExBethelitenowPIMA

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My conclusion on the matter

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

after being brought up a jw, going to mts, bethel, pioneer school multiple times, serving in foreign assignments and having been an elder for decades my conclusion is that i am now pima, physically in mentally agnostic.. agnostic means you think it can’t be proven either way creation or evolution.

i do tend to lean towards evolution but creation at the very start because you can’t get life from dead matter.

but i’m open to the possibility of chance theory at the origin of it all.

ExBethelitenowPIMA

Phizzy thank you so much for your post I really appreciate it.

The truth is I’m going through a real crisis trying to get my head round what you said here “Please give consideration to this, find Truth, real truth as I have defined above, your life will be enriched, and you will be on the Road To Freedom Of Mind.”

If I am to accept what that book and many others like it says that chance was the origin of everything then I lose all hope of the Bibles wonderful promises. Please explain how that would enrich my life?

I realise I don’t have a strong faith in the Bibles promises but I do have hope. Being agnostic at least leaves me some hope of something better. This to me is the ultimate freedom. Both intelligent design or chance boxes are not freedom of thought if you totally disregard the other completely, in my opinion either option you put yourself into a box.

If you believe the chance theory there is no hope of anything better. You have maybe a few decades left of this life and then that’s it you’re dead. No purpose to anything. Life is meaningless. How is this on the road to freedom of mind? You are putting yourself in that box that Darwin and others created !

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My conclusion on the matter

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

after being brought up a jw, going to mts, bethel, pioneer school multiple times, serving in foreign assignments and having been an elder for decades my conclusion is that i am now pima, physically in mentally agnostic.. agnostic means you think it can’t be proven either way creation or evolution.

i do tend to lean towards evolution but creation at the very start because you can’t get life from dead matter.

but i’m open to the possibility of chance theory at the origin of it all.

ExBethelitenowPIMA

“This is true, I have not really thought about it in the terms you are putting it here. I also was raised a JW, pioneered, went to Bethel, and served as an elder for decades so we have a similiar experience, at least in these ways.

Since I am also PIMO,”

I’m not PIMO that’s the difference, I’m PIMA. Mentally agnostic

im sitting on the fence because if there is a God then I think the JWs are nearest to the truth from the Bible even though I think they are wrong on many things.

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My conclusion on the matter

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

after being brought up a jw, going to mts, bethel, pioneer school multiple times, serving in foreign assignments and having been an elder for decades my conclusion is that i am now pima, physically in mentally agnostic.. agnostic means you think it can’t be proven either way creation or evolution.

i do tend to lean towards evolution but creation at the very start because you can’t get life from dead matter.

but i’m open to the possibility of chance theory at the origin of it all.

ExBethelitenowPIMA

After being brought up a JW, going to MTS, Bethel, Pioneer school multiple times, serving in foreign assignments and having been an elder for decades my conclusion is that I am now PIMA, physically in mentally agnostic.

Agnostic means you think it can’t be proven either way creation or evolution. I do tend to lean towards evolution but creation at the very start because you can’t get life from dead matter. But I’m open to the possibility of chance theory at the origin of it all. Neither can be proved even though both sides say they can prove their theory.

A lot of ex JWs want the religion to end, I don’t feel this way.

I do like this new JWLITE option after 2023 AGM. No more ministry required just send a thumbs up once a month.

GB admitted they are not inspired and they do make mistakes which changes the entire following direction even if you don’t agree. I think this change came in after the remaining fully vaccinated direction that was Very dangerous.

So this new approach to all their old doctrine saying “we can’t be dogmatic and we don’t know” is very Very liberating!

They can say we think 1914 and the 77 week prophecy is correct but -can’t be dogmatic and we don’t know!

We think it’s not good to take blood transfusions in every single case no matter what but “can’t be dogmatic and we don’t know”

we think that scripture means we don’t need to change our shunning policies but - can’t be dogmatic and we don’t know

in the congregation anybody critical of someone else they can be asked the question why do you say that, did you not hear the GB keep on saying - can’t be dogmatic and we don’t know????

this could really apply to absolutely anything the JWs say from now on, and going back the things they have said

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JWLITE

by Teddnzo in

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even elders can be part of the new jw lite brigade these days.

they don’t need to go on door to door anymore and there is no requirement for anything really.. taking meeting parts is all dead easy you could turn up on the day with zero preparation because it’s all in the meeting workbook.. quarterly elders meetings are just old men having a good old natter just like old men do down the pub.. congregations could be likened to pubs or bars these days just without the drinks, those come at other times.. no need for territory maps, these almost went away with covid letter writing now they are extremely slow getting finished as those who still go door to door only do ten mins.. you could even voice your questions these days about things the gb say and then just say “we can’t be dogmatic we just don’t know”.

i predict they will say this about 1914 soon..

ExBethelitenowPIMA

What would happen I wonder if this new JW lite idea was openly talked about?

What if people in the congregation actually talked about this change no need to go on the ministry anymore unless you are pioneering?

No need to follow direction better to think for yourself?

The elders wouldn’t like it and there would be lots of local needs. Maybe the GB would do a flip flop on the last AGM?

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If you were to design a new religion?

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

what the jw sect has become and is slowly becoming is far more near what i thought could be a good religion based on the bible.. no more counting hours and no more blindly following direction now they admit they are not inspired.. i would like to design a new sect inside the jws.

it has to be kept secret because the elders would not like it.. this new sect involves giving a tick every month or so saying you are still kindof active talking about the bible.. going to meetings occasionally and attending on zoom sometimes.

very rarely go to ministry groups but don’t ever do first call, just say you are doing street work and have a nice walk somewhere maybe the shops or the park.

ExBethelitenowPIMA

JW lite is working brilliant

and the masses haven’t even seen the AGM yet

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Greenlees, Chapman and Chitty

by Libby in

so after being rudely awakened by a cat fight outside (it's 3am here in the uk) and then proceeding to go outside to rescue my cats from the neighbourhood tom....... i'm now laying wide awake trying to make sense of jw "truth".

(it's all my mind does these days, the lights gone on and won't turn off).

anyway i found myself reading about the gb and came across these fellows , greenlees, chapman and chitty.

ExBethelitenowPIMA

Please could someone correct or confirm what we can be sure of as fact and what it unconfirmed.

Disgraced GB member Greenlees who is confirmed to have been a nonce, an old man who has some kind of sexual deviancy with young ones in his case boys. In his case young Bethelites and a number of them over the years?

Disgraced GB member Chitty similar story and maybe partners in crime same NY Bethel late 1960s through early 1980s. Chitty who was actually caught in the act with at least one teenage boy?

Same time period same Bethel in NY Disgraced GB member Jarez also had accusations of being a nonce. He is said to be named on the secret database of nonces that the Borg is spending so much money and effort trying to stop it going public. The latest announcement asking for those with legal expertise please come and work for free for the Borg.

I have seen a video of one of the victims who accused Jarez of molesting him when he was a boy. He seems believable.

Now all these years later multiple adult CSA victims have accused Disgraced GB member Tony Morris 3rd of being part of a pedophile network same place and about the same time period when the victims were very young even though he wasn’t GB at that time.

Many other names like Br Chapman and Br Vertalomo and others have been mentioned but we’re not GB members. Br Vertalmo who was friends with To y Morris 3rd actually got convicted of being a nonce and served time for it.

His victims said he ran a pedo ring inside the NY headquarters of JWs.

Please can someone confirm or correct this information?

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If you were to design a new religion?

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

what the jw sect has become and is slowly becoming is far more near what i thought could be a good religion based on the bible.. no more counting hours and no more blindly following direction now they admit they are not inspired.. i would like to design a new sect inside the jws.

it has to be kept secret because the elders would not like it.. this new sect involves giving a tick every month or so saying you are still kindof active talking about the bible.. going to meetings occasionally and attending on zoom sometimes.

very rarely go to ministry groups but don’t ever do first call, just say you are doing street work and have a nice walk somewhere maybe the shops or the park.

ExBethelitenowPIMA

No zombie as you say it all comes down to the GB. Everything comes down to this DO YOU TRUST THE GB? Everything is all because the GB say so and most PIMIs are so indoctrinated they actually believe what the GB says is as if Jehovah is saying it.

So if it all comes down to do you trust the GB all these years then you have to ask the question how come some of them have been nonces?

Greenlees and Chitty were both members of the GB and both were found out to be sexually deviant with boys.

Jarez was the longest serving member of the GB and has had similar accusations made which seems to be the reason why the Borg is spending so much money keeping these documents unreleased to the public.

Now Fat Tony has also had similar accusations made against him by more than one CSI victim.

So if it all comes down to do you trust these men are who they claim to be then how could these ones claim to be who they claim to be?

Chitty came back to London and the official story was he was home sick and that’s why he was removed from the GB.

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The Watchtower—Study Edition | December 2023 ...Are you marriage material?

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

the watchtower—study edition | december 2023. study article 52. young sisters—become mature christian women.

18 you may choose to get married.

the qualities and skills that we have discussed will help you to become a capable wife.

ExBethelitenowPIMA

Longhairgal “I hope the ‘skills’ needed to support a wife include a trade and/or well-paying job! He has to be serious about this. They mention ‘employment’ so maybe they are inching closer to reality about this.”

YES they are inching closer to brothers getting good employment. They keep saying if you can’t provide for your family then you are worse than one without faith.

the cost of living crisis means you have to earn more and more just to keep your head above water.

years ago education was frowned upon, these days they are only frowning on really advanced education that takes years, but shorter degrees or higher qualifications seem to be encouraged at least inching that way

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If you were to design a new religion?

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

what the jw sect has become and is slowly becoming is far more near what i thought could be a good religion based on the bible.. no more counting hours and no more blindly following direction now they admit they are not inspired.. i would like to design a new sect inside the jws.

it has to be kept secret because the elders would not like it.. this new sect involves giving a tick every month or so saying you are still kindof active talking about the bible.. going to meetings occasionally and attending on zoom sometimes.

very rarely go to ministry groups but don’t ever do first call, just say you are doing street work and have a nice walk somewhere maybe the shops or the park.

ExBethelitenowPIMA

peacefulpete10 hours ago

Define "religion". Do you mean a collective of people who share the same values and beliefs? That is also called a "circle jerk".

Do you mean people who enjoy getting together for support and sharing of ideas? That is also called a "salon" group“

yes I love that video cakebuilding song

Even a group of people who like trainspoting could be called a religious group. I know some people are mad about a certain sport or activity like fishing it becomes a religion for them.

some on here are so focused on evolution it has become a religion.

some people are bored and lonely so they want to be part of something

im staying physically in because this new JWLITE suits me. Being agnostic inside the JWs is my new religion

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If you were to design a new religion?

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

what the jw sect has become and is slowly becoming is far more near what i thought could be a good religion based on the bible.. no more counting hours and no more blindly following direction now they admit they are not inspired.. i would like to design a new sect inside the jws.

it has to be kept secret because the elders would not like it.. this new sect involves giving a tick every month or so saying you are still kindof active talking about the bible.. going to meetings occasionally and attending on zoom sometimes.

very rarely go to ministry groups but don’t ever do first call, just say you are doing street work and have a nice walk somewhere maybe the shops or the park.

ExBethelitenowPIMA

no-zombie16 hours ago

ExbethelitenowPIMA, I think that it still would be a mistake to publicly voice your differences regarding the Governing Body and their teachings. Because if the trend we are seeing continues to develop, it could take 5 years before the Faith has toned down, but during that time, it still would be easy to get disfellowshipped for apostasy“

What do you mean 5 years no zombie?