Posts by Reslight

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(quote, messiah christ jesus) - "but of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but "my father only" <--that's proof that christ is not god, cause if christ was infact god,'dont you think he would know about the coming of his kingdom, also christ said" my father only" , um he said my father, therefore christ is the son of god, infact !!

!christ prayed to god!!

!<---you cant ignore that.. all this cometh str from the bible, and the bible tongues has/been change, but no the words, everything is true.. so prove me wrong, um you cant, so pay attention....

Reslight

[[On the contrary, Col. depicts Christ as image ( see also 2 Cor. 4:4) of the invisible God]]

Thus he is not the invisible God of whom he is the image.

[[ (John 1:18).]]

No one has seen God; Jesus, the Son of God, has told us about him. Jesus is not Yahweh.

[[He is pre-eminent and supreme as God's agent in the creation of all things, including angels (Col. 1:16 and John 1:3).]]

He is God's agent in making the creation; he is not God Almighty.

[[He is prior to all things (Col. 1:17 and Heb. 1:3)]]

He is before the all being spoken. Being the firsborn of creation, he was created before the creation being included in pantwn -- all -- that is being referred to here Colossians 1:17. The "ta panta" of Hebrews 1:3 is referring his bearing *ta panta* -- the all -- that is being spoken of in the context.

[[Firstborn of creation doesn't mean Jesus was the first creature made by the Father.]]

Of course it does mean that he was the first creature made by God. Except there be those who wish see into the Bible that Jesus is Yahweh, there would be doubt as to what this means: Jesus, being the firstborn of all creation, is the first to be created, being included in that of which he is the firstborn of.

[[It means he is the heir of all creation.]]

Being the heir does not mean that he was not created. He is the heir as God's firstborn creature. As the heir of God, he receives what is promised from God. He is not God who gives him this inheritance, anymore than the joint-heirs who also receive an joint-heirship with Jesus as heirs of God.

[[All things were created for him (Col. 1:16)]]

ta panta di autou kai eis auton ektistai

*Ta Panta*, the all, that is being spoken of, was created *di* -- through -- Jesus, and for him.

[[and in him all things hold together (Col. 1:17)]]

ta panta en autw sunesteeken

*Ta Panta* -- All these things -- by means of him are put together.

http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=4921&version=

[[ See also Heb. 1:2. ]]

Hebrews 1:2

ep eschatou twn heemerwn toutwn elaleesen heemin

UPON LAST [PART] OF THE DAYS THESE HE SPOKE TO US1909 2078 3588 2250 3778_94 2980 1473_9

en huiw hon etheeken kleeronomon pantwn di hou

IN SON, WHOM HE PUT HEIR OF ALL (THINGS), THROUGH WHOM1722 5207 3739 5087 2818 3956 1223 3739

kai epoieesen tous aiwnas

ALSO HE MADE THE AGES;2532 4160 3588 0165

Verse one shows that God spoke in times past by his prophets, but now he speaks by means of his Son. The parallel here does not give any indication that Jesus is God, but rather that Jesus, like the prophets, spoke for God. -- Deuteronomy 18:15,18,19.

All variations of *pas* -- panta, pantwn, etc. -- almost always refer to what is being spoken of in context.

http://www.oldpaths.com/Archive/Brown/T/Pierce/1923/allofgod.html
I do not necessarily agree with all conclusions of the above author.

See:
http://reslight.addr.com/col1-16.htm
http://reslight.addr.com/jesbeg.html
http://reslight.addr.com/heb1-1-10.html

Christian love,

Ronald

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why do people think jesus died on a cross?

by watermelon in

i have always wonderd why so many people think jesus died on a cross.

ive been brought up to beleive that he died on a stake.

where did it come from about the cross?

Reslight

Two nails could have been used whether the execution was on a upright stake or if the stake -- stauros -- of if the stake had a crossbeam -- a Tau, as the hands would have been nailed to the sides of the stake and not over his head (as often shown in the WT illustrations).

While many keep claiming there is abundant evidence that Jesus did die on a cross (Tau-shaped instrument) in actuality I have as yet seen no real evidence to support the claim. What evidence attributed to the first century that has been given is very sparse and inclusive. But this, of course, is not what is important, but it is more important that his death instrument not be idolized, whether a cross or a stake.

My research on this is at:
http://reslight.addr.com/cross.html

Christian love,

Ronald

51

Explain this then

by Legendary U.2.K. in

(quote, messiah christ jesus) - "but of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but "my father only" <--that's proof that christ is not god, cause if christ was infact god,'dont you think he would know about the coming of his kingdom, also christ said" my father only" , um he said my father, therefore christ is the son of god, infact !!

!christ prayed to god!!

!<---you cant ignore that.. all this cometh str from the bible, and the bible tongues has/been change, but no the words, everything is true.. so prove me wrong, um you cant, so pay attention....

Reslight

It is true that many who do not believe in the trinity do not understand the unique redefinitions that the fathers of the trinitarian dogma have given to common words that are generally understood to mean something totally different from the extra-Biblical trinitarian defintions are. In common usage, both in life and in the Bible, a person is regarded a separate sentient being, not the same sentient being as another. There is not one hint in the Bible or in nature that we should regard two separate sentient persons as one ominscient God.

Christian love,

Ronald

51

Explain this then

by Legendary U.2.K. in

(quote, messiah christ jesus) - "but of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but "my father only" <--that's proof that christ is not god, cause if christ was infact god,'dont you think he would know about the coming of his kingdom, also christ said" my father only" , um he said my father, therefore christ is the son of god, infact !!

!christ prayed to god!!

!<---you cant ignore that.. all this cometh str from the bible, and the bible tongues has/been change, but no the words, everything is true.. so prove me wrong, um you cant, so pay attention....

Reslight

From all reason, if the Son and the Father are two persons, then they are not one being. It is only in the extra-Biblical redefinitions of words and terminology that God is supposedly three persons in one God. The Bible says not one word about such a thing as three persons in one God. The entire Bible has been distorted so as to read this doctrine into the Bible. To someone who does not accept the unique redefinitions of words of the extra-Biblical trinitarian philosophy, if Jesus is God Almighty and the Father is also God Almighty then Jesus is praying to himself.

http://reslight.addr.com/l-trinity.html

Christian love,

Ronald

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What is God's view of judgement?

by Bleep in

here are most views:.

1)adam sinned so when we die we automaticly go to heaven if we are good or hell if we are bad.

2) our judgement according to this is here on earth so if we live only to be two years old that is how long we have to show that we are good.. jw views:.

Reslight

Because Adam disobeyed, God judged and sentenced him (and the race in his loins) to death -- not eternal torment or eternal separation from God. However, God in his great love caused his Son to be "made flesh," "a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death . . . that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man." -- Genesis 2:17; 3:17-19; Romans 5:6-19; 1 Corinthians 15:21,22; Matthew 20:28; John 1:14; 3:14-18; Hebrews 2:9.

The "good tidings of great joy, which will be to all people," centers in Jesus, the "ransom for all, to be testified in due time." This "good tidings" guarantees to "every man" one (no individual second chance for any of Adam's race) full, fair opportunity for everlasting life (either in this life or after being awakened from the dead -- John 5:28,29, New American Standard). God "wills all men to be saved [from Adamic condemnation; but all will not be saved eternally], and to come to the knowledge of the truth." -- Luke 2:10; 1 Timothy 2:3-6; 4:10

The term day is often used to mean a period much longer than 24 hours, both in common usage (e.g., Luther's day) and in scriptural usage. -- Genesis 2:4; Hebrews 3:8,9; Psalm 95:7-10; 2 Corinthians 6:2.

The Gospel Age has been the Church's judgment day (2 Thessalonians 1:4,5; 1 Peter 4:17), but God "has appointed a day, in which he will judge the world in righteousness" -- "the day of judgment and perdition [destruction] of ungodly men; but . . . do not be ignorant of this one thing, that one day with Yahweh is as a thousand years." -- Acts 17:31; 2 Peter 3:7,8; Psalm 90:4.

Satan, "the god of this world," has for centuries blinded the minds of the vast majority. (2 Corinthians 4:4; Revelation 12:9) Darkness has covered the earth and "gross darkness the people." However, in the world's great judgment day Satan is bound, "that he should deceive the nations no more, until the thousand years are ended." -- Isaiah 60:2, Revelation 20:2,3,7.

"In that day," the 1,000-year reign of Messiah, when He will judge mankind, "the earth will be full of the knowledge of Yahweh, as the waters cover the sea." Then it will be said: "Look, this is our God. We have waited for him, and he will save us . . . . We will be glad and rejoice in his salvation." -- Isaiah 11:9,10; 25:6-9; 40:5; 52:10: Jeremiah 31:34; Habakkuk 2:14.

The word judge as used in the Scriptures does not mean merely to sentence, but includes -1- instruction (Psalm 19:7-11; 25:8,9: 106:3; 119:108; Isaiah 33:5; 56:1; 59:4,8-15; Ezekiel 22:2; Matthew 12:18-20; 23:23; Colossians 2:16), -2- testing (Psalm 26:1-3, compare 139:23,24; Jeremiah 11:20, compare 20:12; 2 Thessalonians 1:4,5), -3- chastisement for correction (Isaiah 26:9; 1 Corinthians 11:31,32 -- compare Luke 12:47,48; Hebrews 12:5-11; Revelation 3:19), and -4- passing a sentence. -- Matthew 7:1,2; John 7:24; Deuteronomy 1:16; Psalm 17:2.

Jesus "will judge (by these four processes) the living and the dead at (during) his appearing and his kingdom." "He must reign [in his thousand-year reign] until he has put all enemies under his feet. The last enemy that will be destroyed is death." -- 2 Timothy 4:1; 1 Corinthians 15:24-26; Psalm 72:1-4; Isaiah 11:1-6; 32:1; Jeremiah 23:5,6; Hosea 13:14; Revelation 20:11-15.

The saints [dedicated ones] will rule with him over the earth in 1,000-year judgment day and assist in judging the world, offering to them "the water of life freely." -- 1 Corinthians 6:2; Obadiah 21; Matthew 19:28; Luke 22:29,30; Romans 8:16-21; 2 Timothy 2:11,12; Revelation 3:21; 5:9,10; 20:4,6; 22:17.

According to Yahweh's oath-bound promise, Abraham's seed, that is, Christ and all the "sons of God", will bless "all the families of the earth." This blessing will come to the world during the 1,000-year reign. -- Genesis 12:3; 22:16-18; Galatians 3:7-9,16,29; Hebrews 6:13-20; Acts 3:19-25.

Those who are to be blessed include the dead as well as the living -- the dead will be awakened from their "sleep" in death (Psalm 6:5; 146:4; Daniel 12:2; John 5:28,29 NASV; 11:11-14; 1 Thessalonians 4:14; 2 Peter 3:4) and will then be given an exact knowledge of the truth and a full opportunity to live eternally.

Eventually "God will wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there will be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither will there be any more pain; for the former things [things of Satan's reign, including the curse of sin and death] are passed away." -- Revelation 21:1-4; 22:1-3; Isaiah 35:10; 65:17-25.

"When the Son of man will come in his glory . . . then he will sit on the throne of his glory: and all nations [the unbelieving heathen - Psalm 46:10; 67; 72:1,11,17; 96:3,10; Isaiah 2:2-4; Ezekiel 37:28; 38:16; 39:7] will be gathered [from hades and death -- Revelation 20:12,13] before him. He will separate them [under the testings of that great judgment day] one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats." Those whom he finds to be righteous, pictured as sheep (those who become sheep in the next age, not Christ's sheep of this present age -- John 10:14-15), will be given everlasting life and will "inherit the kingdom" on earth (the meek will inherit it -- Matthew 5:5), whereas those who will not have proved worthy, pictured as goats, will "go away into everlasting punishment [Greek, kolasin, cutting-off]" in the second death, never to live again. "All the wicked he will destroy." -- Matthew 25:31-46; Psalm 145:20; Revelation 20:9,15; 21:8.

The destruction of the wicked is symbolized by their being cast into the "lake of fire," "which is the second death," into "everlasting fire [fire is an apt symbol, not of preservation, but of destruction], prepared for the devil [who is to be destroyed, annihilated -- Hebrews 2:14; Ezekiel 28:19] and his angels" -- Revelation 20:14,15; 21:8; Matthew 25:41.

Thus the Bible shows that the world's judgment day is not Doomsday, but Salvation Day, when God's kingdom will rule over the earth. So we should rejoice greatly as we see it approaching! "Let the earth be glad . . . for he [Yahweh] comes to judge the earth. He will judge the world with righteousness, and the people with truth." "All the ends of the earth will see the salvation of our God," and will fear [reverence] Him. -- Psalm 96; 98; 67; Isaiah 26:9; Numbers 14:21.

For more on the day of judgment, see:
http://reslight.addr.com/course.html
"Mankind's Course to the Day of Judgment"

Christian love,
Ronald

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The Bible Does Not Condemn Witchcraft

by Sirona in

the jws are against anything remotely pagan and they're certainly against witchcraft.

they say the bible condemns it.

scriptures such as exodus 22:v18 "you must not preserve a sorceress alive" (nwt) or as the king james version says "thou shalt not suffer a witch to live".

Reslight

I am not with the JWs, but I do believe that the practices of the groups such as Wiccan are condemned in the Bible.

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Consider:

In the original Hebrew manuscript, the author used the word m'khashepah to describe the person who should be killed. The word means a woman who uses spoken spells to harm others - e.g. causing their death or loss of property. Clearly "evil sorceress" or "woman who does evil magic" would be the most accurate phrases in current common English usage for this verse.
(Taken from http://www.religioustolerance.org/wic_bibl.htm) Emphasis Added

The bible characteristically says it is only women who practice this. Moreover, it condemns magic used to HARM people, not magic in general.
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Strong's # 3784
(Piel) to practice witchcraft or sorcery, use witchcraft
sorcerer, sorceress (participle)
Brown, Driver, Briggs and Gesenius. "Hebrew Lexicon entry for Kashaph". "The Old Testament Hebrew Lexicon".
http://www.studylight.org/lex/heb/view.cgi?number=3784.

Sorcery:
1 : the use of power gained from the assistance or control of evil spirits especially for divining : NECROMANCY
2 : MAGIC 2a

necromancy: conjuration of the spirits of the dead for purposes of magically revealing the future or influencing the course of events

Magic:
1 a : the use of means (as charms or spells) believed to have supernatural power over natural forces b : magic rites or incantations
2 a : an extraordinary power or influence seemingly from a supernatural source b : something that seems to cast a spell : ENCHANTMENT
3 : the art of producing illusions by sleight of hand

Any kind of usage of the evil spirits/energy as a source of power is harmful. These spirits, no matter how much they claim to be good, do slander the true God Yahweh by at least one of the following: (1) They claim the dead are still alive in the spirit world, in effect, calling Yahweh a liar, (2) They claim that idolatry is okay; that we should be more concerned about inter-religious harmony, etc, than worshiping the true God, the one who will eventually bring true harmony to the human race, Yahweh; (3) They claim that practices that Yahweh condemns are okay, such as homosexual behavior, fornication, etc.; (4) They claim that one does not have obey Yahweh; (5) They deny the curse of vanity upon the present sun and earth. More could probably be added to this listed, but this shows the point.

There can be no harmonizing of the table of Baal and table of Yahweh. -- 1 Corinthians 10:20-22

http://reslight.addr.com/l-idolatry.html
http://reslight.addr.com/l-satan.html

Christian love,
Ronald

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Biblical PROOF that Jesus Christ IS GOD

by Bibleboy in

before i get started, my name is mark whitmore, 20, i live in vancouver, canada, and i am a follower of the way, a true christian, not a jw.

if you reply, please post who you are, how old and what you believe so that i know where you are coming from.

thanks.. now down to business.. strongs' hebrew and greek online:.

Reslight

[[Father and Son are the complimentary parts of the one God.]]

Are you saying then, that Jesus is a "part" of Yahweh, and that the Father is another "part" of Yahweh? That is, that there two halves of Yahweh that go up to make a whole of Yahweh, as in 1/2 + 1/2 = 1?

[[Christ made the assertion HIMSELF. "I and the Father are One."]]

Jesus says nothing at all about God Almighty as two (persons? beings? whatever) in One God. Since "hen" (one) here is neuter, Jesus could not have been describing one God (Theos, which is masculine). If Jesus has been speaking of one *Theos*, he would have used the word *heis* instead of *hen*.
http://reslight.addr.com/john10-30.html

[[Why DOES THAT offend you? Those chosen to be the bride of Christ (I'm MALE by the way) are to be joined in marriage to the Christ. MY GENDER IS DROPPED my friend when I become one with my Savior IN MARRIAGE. A female's gender is dropped when the union of the spirit happens TO HER. And ALL who are chosen join to Christ in the spirit AS A MARRIAGE, so Christ is joined to the Father IN A SPIRITUAL MARRIAGE ARRAGEMENT.]]

I was simply asking the question as I am not sure of how you view the being of God. However, in saying the above, are you saying that all the church become part(s) of God Almighty, since they become one with Jesus, whom you claim to be a part of God Almighty?

[[When one in power has another sit at their right hand, that denotes something very obvious. Christ, sitting at the right hand of One with power, is NOT sitting above that One (higher in power), NOR sitting below that One(lower in power) but sitting BESIDE THAT ONE(EQUAL IN POWER.) You could say Christ was given HEADSHIP for a day.

Eph 1:20-22
20 which he exerted in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, 21 far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. 22 And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be HEAD over everything for the church,]]

The One who appointed Jesus is most definitely higher than Jesus. - 1 Corinthians 15:27.

http://reslight.addr.com/jesusnotyahweh.html

[[That was the reward given to the submissive half of God. Then, once all creation has been reconciled, the one who's reward was to SIT BESIDE the Father in God (not greater than, not less than), temporarily as HEAD, he WILLINGLY goes back underneath as the God in subjection to the God Head, the Father, so GOD CAN BE ALL IN ALL. (The caps are literal)]]

This sounds as though that by his use of the expression all in all, you believe that Paul was in some way saying that Jesus is God Almighty. Actually it speaks of all creation as being in harmony with God. This does not mean that all creation is or becomes God Almighty, nor does it mean that Jesus is or becomes God Almighty. Indeed the context shows that the Father is God Almighty who becomes all in all.

The idea that Jesus is God Almighty in 1 Corinthians 15:28 is but supposition which in effect twists the scripture to make it appear to conform to the idea that Jesus is God Almighty (or a "part" of God Almighty). I have no reason to accept this view except to please the assumption that Jesus is or is a "part" of God Almighty.

Whenever the Scriptures use the word “God” in the sense of Supreme Deity, they refer to the Father alone. Thus in prayer Jesus calls his Father “the only true God,” excluding himself (John 17:3). The Bible, in fact, refers to the Heavenly Father as Jesus’ God (John 20:17).

The Apostle Paul, contrasting the Christian position with the heathen worship of many gods, states that “to us there is but one God, the Father,” although he attributes to Jesus a lesser position of Lordship (1 Corinthians 8:6). For despite his present high position of exaltation and divine favor, our Lord Jesus is inferior to the Father and eternally subject to him, as the Apostle expressly states:
But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. — 1 Corinthians 11:3.

Then comes the end, when he [Christ] shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father... But when he says all things are put under him [the Son] it is manifest that he [the Father] is excepted, which did put all things under him. And when all things shall be subdued to him [the Son], then shall the Son also himself be subject to him that put all things under him, that God [the Father] may be all in all. — 1 Corinthians 15:24,27,28

Bible Students do not deny, but rejoice to affirm, that Jesus Christ is a divine being, worthy of our worship and adoration. The appellation “God” may be properly ascribed to him. But even while the Scriptures refer to Jesus as a “God,” they do so in contexts showing his distinct inferiority to the Father. And notice that it is not simply Jesus as a man, but Jesus as a “God” who is thus shown to be subordinate. — Hebrews 1:1-9

The beautiful oneness of the Father and the Son is declared by our Lord to be the same oneness that shall exist between himself and his church, as he prayed:

Holy Father, keep through your own name those whom you have given me, that they may be one, as we are... Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one; as you, Father are in me, and I in you, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that you have sent me. And the glory which you gave me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them and you in me.... — John
17:11, 20-23.

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Biblical PROOF that Jesus Christ IS GOD

by Bibleboy in

before i get started, my name is mark whitmore, 20, i live in vancouver, canada, and i am a follower of the way, a true christian, not a jw.

if you reply, please post who you are, how old and what you believe so that i know where you are coming from.

thanks.. now down to business.. strongs' hebrew and greek online:.

Reslight

[[YHWH is two. Man is two (male and female)]]

The above does not say exactly how Yahweh is supposed to be two. If one uses the illustration of man as male and female, are we to assume that God is two beings, one male being and one female being, as are human beings, and that these two beings are joined as one in some kind of marriage, as man and wife? That the human race consists of two different kinds of beings does not mean that God also is two different beings (in one being?).

At any rate, the Bible says that God is one, not two.

Deuteronomy 6:4 - Hear, Israel: Yahweh is our God; Yahweh is one.

This one Yahweh speaks to the Lord (Jesus) whom he has appointed, the one he anointed (christened):

Psalm 110:1 - Yahweh says to my Lord, "Sit at my right hand, Until I make your enemies your footstool for your feet."
See also: Matthew 22:42-46; Mark 12:35-37; Luke 22:41; Mark 16:19; Acts 2:34; Ephesians 1:20-22; Hebrews 12:2; 1 Peter 3:22; Psalm 2:2,6-9 45:6,7; 1 Corinthians 15:25; Hebrews 1:3,13; 10:12,13; Isaiah 61:1; Acts 2:36.

http://reslight.addr.com/l-trinity.html

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Biblical PROOF that Jesus Christ IS GOD

by Bibleboy in

before i get started, my name is mark whitmore, 20, i live in vancouver, canada, and i am a follower of the way, a true christian, not a jw.

if you reply, please post who you are, how old and what you believe so that i know where you are coming from.

thanks.. now down to business.. strongs' hebrew and greek online:.

Reslight

I tried to post this yesterday, but kept getting error message.

23. do good . . . evil--give any proof at all of your power, either to reward your friends or punish your enemies (Psalms 115:2-8).
that we may be dismayed, and behold it together--MAURER translates, "That we (Jehovah and the idols) may look one another in the face (that is, encounter one another, 2 Kings 14:8,11), and see" our respective powers by a trial. HORSLEY translates, "Then the moment we behold, we shall be dismayed." "We" thus, and in English Version, refers to Jehovah and His worshippers -- Fausset, A. R., A.M. "Commentary on Isaiah 41". "Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible". < http://bible.crosswalk.com/Commentaries/JamiesonFaussetBrown/jfb.cgi?book=isa&chapter=041>;. 1871.

41:23 Do good - Protect your worshippers whom I intend to destroy, and destroy my people whom I intend to save. That - That I and my people may be astonished, and forced to acknowledge your godhead. -- Wesley, John. "Commentary on Isaiah 41". "John Wesley's Explanatory Notes on the Whole Bible". < http://bible.crosswalk.com/Commentaries/WesleysExplanatoryNotes/
wes.cgi?book=isa&chapter=041>. 1754