Posts by caves

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I was thinking the other day, if I remember correctly, that according to jws that Michael (Jesus) helped create the other angels and if that is true then Jesus created Satan. Would that make Jesus Satan's father of sorts? Now that Jesus is king according to jws, Jesus is advancing war on his creation, his son, Satan.

Conversely if jeho made Satan then they(jesus) and (satan) are brothers. In any case, thinking on it its so completely wack to me.

But so is jeho putting a tree in the Garden of Eden that you couldn't eat from as a "test". Yet jeho doesn't want to be tested himself. Such crap. Especially minuscule weak humans. How in the world could a human possibly "test" this jehovah as he is advanced in the jw beliefs? Oh wait, Satan did and then jeho passed the buck off to little itty bitty humans? Insane god!

Making believe it (the bible crap) happened, If I were an angel. I would have made that snake talk too.

I look back now and just shake my head.

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Has Anyone Had Chinese Food Lately?

by minimus in

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since this virus, i have noticed that nearly all of the take out joints in my area are closed.

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caves

2+2=5, LOL. Your comment tickled me.

Minimus-In Arkansas, do they really have good Chinese food?

As someone who lived many years in Arkansas, they have 'Chinese' food if thats what they want to call it. So bland. If there are good Chinese restaurants in AR I have never had any. They have some good Thai places.

To answer the question. No I haven't. Missing it. There's a place in town that I would go to because its relatively good and the servings could feed a small village. One take out meal would last me 3 days. But they are closed.

I try to steer away from 'made in china' as much a I can, when I can. I try to buy German as much as possible. German things are made to last, such good quality. I also tend to buy Spain and Italian products as well when I'm able.

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Disunited States of America?

by jwleaks in

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recognizing that their states have one integrated regional economy, delaware governor john carney, new york governor andrew m. cuomo, new jersey governor phil murphy, connecticut governor ned lamont, pennsylvania governor tom wolf, and rhode island governor gina raimondo today announced the creation of a multi-state council to restore the economy and get people back to work.

this announcement builds on the states’ ongoing regional approach to combatting the covid-19 pandemic.. the coordinating group – comprised of one health expert, one economic development expert and the respective chief of staff from each state — will work together to develop a fully integrated regional framework to gradually lift the states’ stay at home orders while minimizing the risk of increased spread of the virus.. https://news.delaware.gov/2020/04/13/governor-carney-and-five-governors-announce-multi-state-council-to-get-people-back-to-work-and-restore-the-economy/.

meanwhile on the west coast:.

caves

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.......

And a Captain needs crew. Otherwise he is captain only in his mind.

Piss poor when these are the sayings of a president DURING A PANDEMIC and frankly a world wide great depression!

Makes me think its all made up. Its all a game of ratings. On both sides.

As in, America has been a dictatorship disguised as a democracy for several decades. And this is the new spokes person.

I think i'll just sit these convos out from now on. To much from all angles.

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I am agreeing with Trump on the need to Nationalize issues that affect the entire nation.

by RubaDub in

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i'm generally not a trump fan but i do agree that things that affect the entire country should be handled in a centralized manner.

trump is stating that he will dictate when the states can open up again.

many governors, dems and reps, are fighting that saying that they have the power, not the president.

caves

The same applies to other national issues such as elections. Having 50 separate "national" elections just doesn't make sense when a President is being chosen to represent the entire country. Have one national election and that is it.

Fromwww.usa.gov> elections.

In the Electoral College system, each state gets a certain number of electors based on its total number of representatives in Congress. Each elector casts one electoral vote following the general election; there are a total of 538 electoral votes. The candidate that gets more than half (270) wins the election.

Looks national to me. Or something!

What an interesting game you play Rub. Do you have to shift sideways on each ass cheek when you straddle that fence your on? Or is there one side you prefer over the other?
That's a joke. (last sentence of your bio)

I'm really not sure what to think after this last few days. I have opinions and ironically in line with much of what trump talks about. But there are some fundamental things that go against a particular values I carry.

I do prefer my right side of the ass cheek when I sit on a fence.lol

Interesting times.

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My dad is now a ministerial servant tonight

by Wagurl in

my dad just became mistrial servant should i move out i’m almost 18. what the hell should i do?

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caves

In this instance, fake till you make it.

Unless your being abused, personally I would think that staying should be ok. You don't have to tell them what you really feel about the jw organization.

If I remember correctly, jws excuse/reasoning or rational for telling a lie is 'when someone is not entitled to hear the truth'.

Conversely if you have a place to go that is a safe and fostering place where you can grow then do that.

Other wise, maybe keep your ear to the ground about a place of your own and until then stick it out.

What are the benefits of you leaving and what are the draw backs? Carefully weigh them.

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Covid-19 (Coronavirus) - Status Update Thread

by Simon in

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this topic is to focus on status updates & advice (no opinion or politics please).. status.

latest status is that it's serious, probably isn't going to be contained and most large companies are making contingency plans, cancelling large events etc... which i don't think would happen if it was just people being alarmist.

the incubation period means it may have already spread further and infected many more people than are currently known, so expect jumps in the numbers over the coming days and weeks.. tracking.

caves

Slimboyfat- There is some evidence, but its really to soon to tell in the long run.

For instance, if I get pneumonia like I used to get over and over again, I could very well have lasting lung damage, like I do now. I have two nodules in my lungs from years of what seemed never ending pneumonia. They are the same as they were 10 years ago as they are now. But, If the doctor was to, or when they have ex-rayed my lungs right after a bout of pneumonia they have shown that those nodules or scar tissue being inflamed for months, giving a false reading.Then they go back to the way they were.

I've gone thru it enough to not let them ex-ray me for a few months so they do not scare the crap out of me having multiple test over the next months after, only for them to see that they got a bit to 'gung ho' with tests to soon. That's is my case.

I'm not saying it wont have lasting effects. I'm saying that to really get a clear picture of "lasting damage" will take some years to come to a conclusion on lasting damage to healthy individuals vs lasting damage to individuals who had underlying health problems to begin with.

Those are my thoughts. I just don't see how they can conclude this with certainty yet.

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2020-04-10 Congregation Donations by Electronic Funds Transfer!

by Atlantis in

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well as usual, the watchtower wants to make sure the rank & file keep the money coming in.

even if the jw's have nothing to eat.. 2020-04-10--congregation donations by electronic funds transfer.

https://docdro.id/himg31q.

caves

I've known some members of the cong to cover what was lacking in funds for the monthly upkeep and kh payments. Usually some 'well to do' elder. I'm willing to bet that there are many congs that a few of the members cover the remaining 40% that is lacking.

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Differences between UK and US Corona Virus TV Updates

by ThomasCovenant in

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i'm in the uk, and most days over the last 2 weeks i've watched the 5pm uk government update on the corona virus situation which includes questions from the media.

generally speaking i've found the whole update, including the questions and answers, to be respectful, informative and non combative, with, to the best of my recollection, very little mention of politics and blame.

certainly no political point scoring.

caves

Cofty-Stop being so bloody hysterical.

That is the difference, in my opinion. The level of hysteria.

US Headline - Boris Johnson on his last breath is rushed to an IC unit fighting for his life while Trump aims to send all American stock piles of PPE to Britain to help the Prime Minister, leaving Americans to fend for themselves.

UK Headline- Boris Johnson has been admitted to the IC unit 7 days after testing positive for coronavirus. US President Trump offers help if needed.

That is how I see the difference.

Sure there are sensational headlines in the UK but nowhere near like the US.

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Curious to know the Zoom attendance figures for for the memorial

by joe134cd in

i’m just curious to know the local attendance figures for the memorial.

my father told me they had an attendance of 140. not flattering for a cong of 100 pubs.

i was sort of surprised at this considering the quarantine measures and everyone being forced to stay at home.

caves

Didn't the jw site have the complete recorded memorial talk for many countries..... I just checked and its still up.

So cant they count the number of times anyone clicked on it as a "count" in addition to whatever the elders give?

Looks like they will be able to, like others have said "just make it up". Also I can see many of the jws listening to it dozens of times online. If they count the number of times for each 'watch" or 'click' then it should drive the numbers up.

Not sure if they can do this but seems like they could.

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About the covid-19 virus, some positive thoughts

by Finkelstein in

we are now well aware of the shit storm this virus has caused pretty much all over the world but there is going to come a time in the near future when it wont be such a heady news worthy concern.

the reason being is that there are numerous clinical institutions in many countries that are now working on a vaccine, more so than any other deadly contagious virus in human history.. when mankind puts its brain on things usually come of it.

when documented cases start to decline to a certain point governments will start to reduce their imposed restrictions availing people to get back to work, stores reopening , economies cranking up as they once were, normalcy will return.. it will no doubt be a slow restart but the vigor of capitalism will eventually return and this event will be left as a documented event in human history.. i do hope governments will take note of how this virus got started and spread as it did.. a sole person perhaps selling live and dead wild animals in a open public market in wuhan china , astonishing to think what that one person did to effect the entire human population of 8 billion all over the world.

caves

I thought of one.

I'm thinking hospitals will be making sure they have ventilators, face masks and other things that they are running out of. With any luck higher pay for the medical community too. As many are simply quitting because the chump change isn't worth the price they are paying.