I cannot comment on the Oxygen special as I probably will not watch it.
However, I had to read "Crisis of Conscience" many times over for my brain to start to crack. I was that damn indoctrinated and dumb.
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30Why the Oxygen Special will not work like we think it will...
by HiddenPimo inwithin the very documentary is a reason i think that jw's for the most part will not wake up even if they watch this program.
the one lady actually saw as her family sat behind the abuser in court supporting him despite the established fact that he had abused their very own child.. this shows how deep the indoctrination is.
i am not saying that some won't wake up, but the majority will carry on, not even because they think these things are lies but because they will look past that at all costs to side with jehovah.
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Do You Support Police and Law Enforcement?
by minimus inrecently black lives matter representatives have encouraged people to spit in law enforcement officials foods.
some people are going into police stations and trying to kill innocent officers.
federal officials are marked for death because they try to administer the law.. what is your opinion of this type of lawlessness?.
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I do. But at one time I did not.
My uncle that helped raise me was a cop that would regularly beat me with his police nightstick. It took many years and several "nice interactions" and lots of reflection on my part to get over that.
Now I support them. Imagine what they see on a daily basis. I couldn't do it.
Sure there are crooked police and law enforcement. That's in every profession. But I would rather get a ticket I didn't deserve because a cop was in a "mood" than have murders on the loose with no help at all from law enforcement.
I've met some really great police officers. I've met some real shitty ones. I always wonder what was the tipping point for the crap ones. Was it the bloody scene they had to walk into for the 100th time. I cut them some major slack in regards any attitude they may have. Most of the time.
At the same time I have gone head to head with a few officers in court and won. Meaning no ticket or fines if they were out of line beyond a doubt that anyone could plainly see or I could prove.
I think 99% of police and law enforcement just want to do there job and go home and have a life, like any other human.
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Why do Americans have to pay so much for College???
by RubaDub ini know there is a huge college/university lobby here in the us that lives off of students paying, in some cases, enormous amounts of money just to attend.. putting politics aside, if that is possible, (and i am not a bernie sanders guy by any means), but how can we pay for pre-kindergarten, kindergarten, elementary school, junior high, high school, and then throw a huge debt to someone who wants to continue learning?
can't the us (public and state universities) afford four more years for young people to get on a career path without having to, in some cases, take out a mortgage/loan more than the cost of some homes?
then, (and nothing against immigrants, i am married to one), but then the us has to "import" students from other countries to fill the needs that we should be supplying here.
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Google is now hiring more self-taught developers than developers with a degree.
I'm seeing this trend in tech. Microsoft does too. They are loving the new self taught developers!
15 years ago I paid over 13,000 for one semester that was just one. Insane! Of course I couldn't afford books. I literally just ran copies off at the university library of the books I needed as I needed them. Took mad notes in class and would organize them right after class.
I'm not spending 1000 dollars per semester on books that change the next year. There are many ways that people can earn degrees now with out breaking the bank. If I would have only known.
My answer to the question is "because they don't know better". There are other ways to get financial help without the government loans. I had no clue until much later on.
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How do you feel about Social Media?
by caves ini personally hate it!
i've tried for years to find a way to enjoy it, but i do not.
i tried.. at the end of the day i feel its just people getting there ego stroked and miss-information.
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caves
I personally hate it! I've tried for years to find a way to enjoy it, but I do not. I tried.
At the end of the day I feel its just people getting there ego stroked and miss-information. All while literally handing over our data and lives to the scum of the earth. Allowing ourselves to be manipulated. Living in self contained echo chambers.
I find it beyond sad that when someone creates a FB group, they suddenly feel as if it belongs to them. Like they are special. News flash, its free, you are not special. People are the product along with their so called groupies. I can't/won't take FB groups seriously.
Why don't those people that have FREE FB groups they started create and actual web page? It doesn't cost that much to have a website. Then one could actually make some extra cash possibly, without begging for it on FB. A free service that people think somehow belongs to them.
That's my rant about it. How do you feel about social media?
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I love them. I cant wait to have one or more.
I dated this gal way back and her parents were loaded. I walked into the fanciest house I'd ever been into and she took me to her dads "playroom". Inside was a train set encompassing almost the entire room with mountains, towns, villages , city's, people, animals, ect. She must have known how Id act, idk. She said I could play with it all. She shut the door and I have no idea how long I stayed in there. I was abruptly stunned by this tall male figure in the door way grinning. See, I had tied up one of the people and was trying to run over it with the train. I turned all kinds of red. Her dad came over and said "I do that all the time".
I'd like to say I'm above doing that now if I had an indoor set but I cant because I know I would.
I'd love to have a small mini train that runs all the way around my property. Rides for kids. That would be so much fun. Later in the future perhaps.
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Were You Willing To Die For Jehovah?
by minimus inwe were supposed to be dedicated unconditionally to jehovah god.
we were willing to be persecuted to the death if need be.
if it came to taking a blood transfusion or dying, we were loyal to jehovah and would be a martyr for god.
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My mother did. She was dead for several hours while trying to give birth to me. They got me out (C section). Since they refused a transfusion the doctor wouldn't operate, so they rushed her to the nearest hospital that would two hours or so away. She died in the ambulance with me in her. Got to the other hospital, got me out. Somehow they managed to resuscitate her. She was in a coma for days after.
As for me, I never carried that stupid ass no-blood card. I would have taken a transfusion. So long as the elders didn't step in.
And as far as dying for jefuckho. Yeah, probably at one point I may have felt like that. Inside I knew if push came to shove that, like if the ( eyeroll ) government came and ask me to denounce my faith I had already decided that I would denounce on the outside but believe on the inside. I always thought that to be the most retarded ass rule ever. I felt (god) could read my heart anyway, and if he/she/it/ thang couldn't then it wasn't real anyway. Thats how I justified my thinking a the time. "A conscience matter". I tossed that phrase around so freely it pissed off many elders on many topics.
The mental gymnastics most ALL jws have to do is messed up. I would have taken a bullet for some of the brothers back then out of what I thought to be brother hood. Vomit!
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Adam could have put Jehovah In Paradox!
by JohnTron72 ini'm going to be the first and throw this out there for others but, from careful study of the scriptures i've found a loophole that even adam who was perfect at the time missed!
i'm sure everyone has heard the conundrum about ,"can god create a rock he can't lift?
" and if he can't create one he can't lift, then god cannot do everything" well that doesn't really matter since we know jehovah says himself he cannot lie right?
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@Cofty-Finding evidence for human activity older than 6,000 years is a regular occurrence for archaeologists.
Archaeology is one of my passions. I did so many independent archaeological studies in college and happily gave them to the university. / Had to stop there, got excited a bit. Is it you that finds things on your land with the metal detector? I've been meaning to ask or just look in past threads.
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Adam could have put Jehovah In Paradox!
by JohnTron72 ini'm going to be the first and throw this out there for others but, from careful study of the scriptures i've found a loophole that even adam who was perfect at the time missed!
i'm sure everyone has heard the conundrum about ,"can god create a rock he can't lift?
" and if he can't create one he can't lift, then god cannot do everything" well that doesn't really matter since we know jehovah says himself he cannot lie right?
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I think I just had an 'Out of Body Experience' while reading this. LMAO!
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The sky is falling- maybe
by joey jojo ini am actually not a 'sky is falling' guy, but i wanted to comment on the australian bushfires.. you may or may not believe the science behind global warming, however i personally put more faith in verified, scientific data than the words of fat cat, self-serving politicians.
climate science has predicted, based on data, that we will see more prolonged, extreme weather events, higher average temperatures, rising sea levels due to ocean expansion and glacial melting.
and this is exactly whats happening.
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caves
I don't understand why people say "climate change" is a 'hoax'. The earth has had drastic "Climate changes" over and over and over and over and over again. If you don't think it will/is happening then please go back to the watchtower where you can believe that the earth was created for humans to live forever on.
This has nothing to do with Greta T, and why her name was brought up is retarded.
The issue to me is, or question rather. Do humans think that they will cause it? Or, are causing it? And just precisely how is that propaganda being forced down our throats. As if we could stop it, (global warming,climate change) from happening. Did the Continents peacefully slide apart 1000's and 1000's of years ago? Like some "lazy river ride" at a water park? Get real!
Lets just recycle and stop using fossil fuels to "turn our planet around". Ahh, peace at last. Then BOOM! A meteor strikes earth. Or a super volcano explodes taking most of life out...ect ect...
BTW, the earth itself splits open and dumps oil in the ocean naturally and has done so for thousands of years. I could go on, but wont as the OP is living in a nightmarish condition and emotions are running high. As to be expected.
Seems like it would happen eventually even if we were all banging rocks on the ground for fire and living in huts.
@joey jojo,
Its beyond devastating whats happening in Australia. It sucks that the phrase "climate change" is so triggering for people. So much so that it drowns out a post from someone living in a virtual nightmare. Be safe and take care of yourself.
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Which songs give you goosebumps?
by LoveUniHateExams ini don't know if this topic has been covered before - it might 've been.. i also recommend flipper's excellent music thread ('what songs have you been listening to?
', or similar).. but, i'd just like to start a thread about certain songs giving me goosebumps.
y'know, when you hear a song that profoundly effects you in some difficult-to-describe way and the hairs on your arm stand on end even though the room temperature's comfortably warm.. so, which songs give you goosebumps?.
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RubaDub- 'Children' by Robert Miles is definitely a goosebump song. As soon as I saw the picture I got goosebumps. Unfortunately for me, it also makes me cry or sob rather. So I don't listen to it anymore.
Here's a few of my goosebump songs. I will say that, that Robert Miles, Children song probably is #1 or near it, in the goosebump category. Debussy, Maurice Ravel, Dead Can Dance are right up there for me, depending on the song.
Devil went down to Georgia- Charlie Daniels Band
Mad World-Gary Jules
To Be Loved- Luce Drayton (Disco Citizens remix)
Goosebumps- NYLX Mushroom Head Mix- Twisted label. Lula Grelhada. Ironically named 'Goosebumbs' ( It's her voice, it is so incredibly sexy to me) She could tell me to jump and I'd say 'How high'?
Fade Into You (Live)- Mazzy Star. Guess I like mysterious chicks
American Dreaming- Dead Can Dance
Claude Debussy- Clair De Lune
Elsewhere- Sarah Mclachlan
Stand By Me- Ben E. King, 1961
What Is A Youth- Romeo and Juliet (1968) Vocal: Glen Weston, Lyrics: Eugene Walter, Music: Nino Rota