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  Thoughts on annual meeting “new light”

  by FFGhost in

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  so, i finally saw the annual meeting video part 2.. this is the one with the “new light” on who might survive armageddon, vs. those who do not.. in summary, for those of you fortunate enough not to have to sit through it, it’s something like this:.

  old light: once the “great tribulation” starts, that’s it for non-jws.

  the “door of the ark” is closed.

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  Elena

  No one ever needs to become a JW to make it into the New System. This is basically the new light. They say you were wrong to wish your unbelieving loved ones would die before Armageddon. Now they are saying they will make it as long as they are a good person? Or they don’t really say that but they imply it. What they actually say is we can’t be dogmatic we don’t know
  
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  Thoughts on annual meeting “new light”

  by FFGhost in

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  2. beliefs

  so, i finally saw the annual meeting video part 2.. this is the one with the “new light” on who might survive armageddon, vs. those who do not.. in summary, for those of you fortunate enough not to have to sit through it, it’s something like this:.

  old light: once the “great tribulation” starts, that’s it for non-jws.

  the “door of the ark” is closed.

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  Elena

  The word Jehovah is not in the Bible, YHWH can be translated many ways, and there is a bit of confusion over El another Hebrew God. But the JW Bible puts in Jehovah in place of Lord in the original text so many times it could have been El the Bible was talking about
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  Join JW's or DIE - soon!!!

  by BoogerMan in

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  w72 10/1 p. 607 - "they (jw's) know that soon now all who are not true worshipers of jehovah (jw's) will be destroyed.".

  how quickly half a century passes by!

  2 peter 3:8 - "...one day is with jehovah jw.borg as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day.

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  Elena

  If the flood story was true (it isn’t) then the smart thing to do would be wait and see if Noah was right, if that was an option.

  Then get on the ark last minute once you are sure the world is flooding. If it was an option to wait and see, then it would not have been smart to get on the ark early because the flood may not happen or may not happen for a long time. Do you want to be sitting on the ark, wasting time, not knowing for sure if the flood is coming. With everyone outside getting on with their lives.

  This is exactly the same situation today and the GB did not think this new light through. The two new members came onto the GB and Tony was kicked out, they think they are so smart but this is so stupid what they have come up with. These men sitting in luxury coming up with ideas. They really should run it past someone smarter before announcing it.

  The new light means the smart thing to do is don’t get on the ark just yet, you may be waiting a long long time for the flood to start. Or it may never start at all, which is the truth of the matter. But thinking like a PIMI, even if you are a true believer then the smart thing to do is not waste time on the ark just yet, wait to see.

  Now they are basically telling people to wait until you are sure that the flood is starting then it’s ok to get on the ark. If the flood never starts then you don’t even need to get on the ark.
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  Thoughts on annual meeting “new light”

  by FFGhost in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so, i finally saw the annual meeting video part 2.. this is the one with the “new light” on who might survive armageddon, vs. those who do not.. in summary, for those of you fortunate enough not to have to sit through it, it’s something like this:.

  old light: once the “great tribulation” starts, that’s it for non-jws.

  the “door of the ark” is closed.

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  Elena

  If the flood story was true then the smart thing to do would be wait and see if Noah was right. Then get on the ark last minute once you are sure the world is flooding. If it was an option to wait and see, then it would not have been smart to get on the ark early because it the flood may not happen or may not happen for a long time.

  This is exactly the same situation today and the GB did not think this new light through. The two new members came onto the GB and Tony was kicked out, they think they are so smart but this is so stupid what they have come up with.

  The new light means don’t get on the ark just yet, you may be waiting a long long time for the flood to start. Now they are basically telling people to wait until you are sure that the flood is starting then it’s ok to get on the ark. If the flood never starts then you don’t even need to get on the ark.
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  So what happens next...

  by Farmer Jim1 in

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  with what is arguably the biggest change to jw life in recent decades (the scrapping of publishers counting hours) what does this lead to?.

  in my mind these are the results;.

  1) a massive decrease in 'preaching hours'.

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  Elena

  • The model requiring constant growth is now in danger, this organisation was constantly growing in every way for over a century and seems to have peaked. For the last decade or more that constant reductions in staff and product output, liquidation of assets, legal troubles, and dwindling sources of income.

    I can’t find the true global numbers of pioneers, publishers ect, but I would love to see some charts showing the last 100yesrs. I suspect they would show a peak and now way over the peak and now big decline.

    I would love to see charts of Bethel family numbers last 100 years, they would show a peak spike up then rapid decline like the bubble popped. This is going to be similar with the organisation as a whole,

    Even with reduced hours there are less pioneers. Japan is holding up the numbers because almost everyone pioneers.

    Going forward not so many younger ones will be getting baptised and hardly any will be pioneering compared to before the peak. This is why they are trying to hide the numbers
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  Why disfellowship must be eliminated for the survival of the WT itself

  by TheScientist in

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  this topic i digress about why the watchtower relaxing the rules of disfellowship is essential for its survival.

  many things i'm going to say are not my ideas, some are, the point is, i'm condensing everything in a logical and concise way.. the first thing we have to keep in mind is that the wt's main objective in instituting disfellowship has always been not to lose members because of the damage that a dissident could do, or to avoid gaining new members because of the bad reputation of a confessed sinner in the his/her region.

  in the end, the more active members, the more money to the coffers.. in this case of disfellowship due to apostasy, to avoid any spark, texts were sought out of context that even prohibited saying "hi".

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  Elena

  Vidiot this organisation was constantly growing in every way for over a century and seems to have peaked. For the last decade or more that constant reductions in staff and product output, liquidation of assets, legal troubles, and dwindling sources of income.

  I can’t find the true global numbers of pioneers, publishers ect, but I would love to see some charts showing the last 100yesrs. I suspect they would show a peak and now way over the peak and now big decline.

  I would love to see charts of Bethel family numbers last 100 years, they would show a peak spike up then rapid decline like the bubble popped. This is going to be similar with the organisation as a whole,

  Even with reduced hours there are less pioneers. Japan is holding up the numbers because almost everyone pioneers.

  Going forward not so many younger ones will be getting baptised and hardly any will be pioneering compared to before the peak. This is why they are trying to hide the numbers
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  ex-jw-uk

  by bigmac in

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  i'm quite new to this site, & have realised some members have a union jack symbol under their avatar.

  i don't.. could we have a "show of hands" from any uk members?

  i've already found several by reading older posts..

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  Elena

  I’m from the UK. Wales but not going to be too specific.

  I worked on Bristol Assembly Hall back in the 1990s Brother Kieth Dyer was the big overseer at the time. Does anyone remember him?

  Big UK Zoom Apostafest would be great. Those who want to remain anonymous could.

  You can even disguise your voice these days.

  
  
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  Join JW's or DIE - soon!!!

  by BoogerMan in

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  2. bible

  w72 10/1 p. 607 - "they (jw's) know that soon now all who are not true worshipers of jehovah (jw's) will be destroyed.".

  how quickly half a century passes by!

  2 peter 3:8 - "...one day is with jehovah jw.borg as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day.

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  Elena

  There is no doubt whatever that the generation from 1914 has now passed away. The overlapping new light is so ridiculous it’s funny. But even the overlappers are getting old and will pass away soon.

  Im going to be sitting on my lawn chair watching with baited breath the slow demise of this organisation.

  Its remarkable that it has lasted this long.
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  🎄The Life of Antony Morris

  by Diogenesister in

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  🎄 just thought this not former/vidiot back & forth deserved it's own christmas special !!!🎄.

  vidiot6 days ago.

  notformer - “…if he does attend a kingdom hall physically, i imagine there're some ‘security’ arrangements in place…”.

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  Elena

  That does sound familiar about the governing body under attack.

  Does anyone remember him talking about Tony criticising other members for flying around the world on holidays when there is so much work to be done?

  I also remember Tony telling us about him talking to his unbelieving father before he died, his dad was asking about JWs and what ‘they’ are doing with the money from the sale of all this property. Tony said I’m part of the ‘they’ and the audience laughed

  lots remember him talking about burnt bodies like hot dogs in war, he may have PTSD. The Gerard Loach saying after Armageddon there will be a lot of bodies to clear up. Yes over 8.5 Billion bodies the entire world would be like the Gaza Strip if JWs are correct.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

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  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  Elena

  If he is lying or not all this is a good advert for magic mushrooms for anyone thinking about leaving a cult.