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  Just read that Carl Olof Jonsson died yesterday

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
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  for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?

  he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.

  the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.

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  Sanchy

  I invite the participants to focus on the following texts:
  Da.4: 3, 17, 25, 26, 32, 34, 37

  I looked over those texts. None of them directly mention anything about a second fulfillment.

  Now the question to be asked for all of these texts that are well distributed throughout chapter 4
  is, What is the common factor for all of these verses?

  Nah, the question that should be asked is whether one can gather a second fulfillment from "simply reading the chapter", as you originally claimed, without manipulating the reader into arbitrarily focusing on singular verses cherry picked from your mental library of allegorical interpretations.
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  Just read that Carl Olof Jonsson died yesterday

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?

  he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.

  the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.

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  Sanchy

  Scholar: "I am sorry too that from your careful reading of Daniel 4 you did not discern its dual fulfilment."

  Indeed, you should be. You were wrong. You said "one only needs to read the chapter to discern its dual fulfillment". Turns out that was fake news on your end.

  We should do an experiment where we ask others, preferably non-jw, to read Dan 4 and tell us if they discern two fulfillments. I bet that would not bode well for you either Scholar.
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  Just read that Carl Olof Jonsson died yesterday

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?

  he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.

  the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.

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  Sanchy

  Scholar: Read it again but this time read it carefully.

  I have read it carefully. Your claim regarding a second fulfillment still holds no water. Sorry.
  
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  Just read that Carl Olof Jonsson died yesterday

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?

  he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.

  the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.

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  Sanchy

  "One only has to read Daniel 4 and can easily see that the theme or purpose of the tree vision by Neb was to prove to him the reality of not only the present Kingdom of God as a reality in the form of the Judean Monarchy but its future fulfilment

  Sorry, not good enough. I've read Daniel 4 many times and see no evidence to believe your theory of a 2nd "future fulfillment".
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  Just read that Carl Olof Jonsson died yesterday

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?

  he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.

  the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.

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  Sanchy

  which owing to lack of precise historic details must be viewed as a round number

  Sorry. Nothing of what you said here proves that it "must" be viewed that way.
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  Just read that Carl Olof Jonsson died yesterday

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?

  he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.

  the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.

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  Sanchy

  So I gave up trying to work it out anything about tablets and astronomical dates because the whole idea was a nonstarter.

  Same. To me, the chronology aspect is interesting, but what really made the JW’s 1914 formula fall apart, in a more convincing way IMO, was simply realizing that it takes some extreme mental leaps to claim a second fulfillment for Dan 4, which is the entire premise of the concept.
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  Just read that Carl Olof Jonsson died yesterday

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?

  he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.

  the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.

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  Sanchy

  Damn, sad news. His was one of the first exjw books I read after CoC.

  RIP Carl
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  What is Greg Stafford up to these days?

  by slimboyfat in

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  2. bible

  you may have been wondering: what is greg stafford up to these days?

  lots of interesting things, is the answer.

  exposing the false trinity doctrine, of course, but keeping on top of other issues too.

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  Sanchy

  Sad
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  original reddit post (removed).

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  Sanchy

  Lloyd is a glaring example of the "weak men" that Jordan Peterson warns about, totally incapable of looking inwards and instead choosing to deal with his own shortcomings by gaslighting and emotionally demolishing his loved ones.

  Lloyd, you're a piece of shit.
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  How to debunk the 1914 calculus ONLY using JW publications?

  by psyco in

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  i remember having read somewhere, but i cannot find it anymore, that it is possible to debunk the 1914 calculus using only jw publications, like "insight on the scriptures" (chronologies) for example.. do you have any sources about that to suggest to me?.

  thanks..

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  Sanchy

  Scholar:: Scholar is big on grammar and big on exegesis but not so big on eisegesis.