Orphancrow, think back to when you were a JW (if u were ever one in the past). Would a gov ban have made u accept a blood transfusion had u needed one?
Sanchy
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Supreme Court Of Russia bans Jehovah's Witnesses as an 'extremist organization'
by EdenOne inread the news here.
the jehovah's witnesses lost their appeal to the supreme court of russia.
bethel to be liquidated.. i bet the gb saw this coming ... here comes the persecution complex paranoia.
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Sanchy
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Supreme Court Of Russia bans Jehovah's Witnesses as an 'extremist organization'
by EdenOne inread the news here.
the jehovah's witnesses lost their appeal to the supreme court of russia.
bethel to be liquidated.. i bet the gb saw this coming ... here comes the persecution complex paranoia.
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Sanchy
But we have to remember that WT does not ALLOW its members to access said information and education, that its members may then make up their own minds.....they forbid them to access any information that may challenge WT agenda......that is when I believe the authorities have the right to protect the public
I hear you Diog. Its a tough pill to swallow. But ultimately I think there is a slippery slope when authorities start dictating appropriate faith doctrine (excluding acts of violence). I just dont think gov bans on the JW faith benefit anyone. It only tends to increase membership within the now clandestine community, it creates real pain for the members, and it removes universal human rights.
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Supreme Court Of Russia bans Jehovah's Witnesses as an 'extremist organization'
by EdenOne inread the news here.
the jehovah's witnesses lost their appeal to the supreme court of russia.
bethel to be liquidated.. i bet the gb saw this coming ... here comes the persecution complex paranoia.
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Sanchy
More specious BS. You have to be a follower of the Queen of Specious, Ayn Rand. You are telling me that the 'court of human rights' would view physical or sexual child abuse any differently than they would the coerced baptism of a 10 year old who faced a life of shunning if he/she screwed up (pun intended) 7 years later????? Or a minor child allowed to die because of being forced to deny a blood transfusion?????
Talk about specious. Yes, such courts world wide have stood up time and time again for the right of individuals, yes, even JWs, to practice their faith freely. Do some research.
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Supreme Court Of Russia bans Jehovah's Witnesses as an 'extremist organization'
by EdenOne inread the news here.
the jehovah's witnesses lost their appeal to the supreme court of russia.
bethel to be liquidated.. i bet the gb saw this coming ... here comes the persecution complex paranoia.
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Sanchy
Thankfully, most courts of human rights agree with this "hysterical, reactionary, irrational mindset".
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Supreme Court Of Russia bans Jehovah's Witnesses as an 'extremist organization'
by EdenOne inread the news here.
the jehovah's witnesses lost their appeal to the supreme court of russia.
bethel to be liquidated.. i bet the gb saw this coming ... here comes the persecution complex paranoia.
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Sanchy
Please @DJS, tell us what you think about what Russia is doing to its gay population right now.
He's not worth arguing with. This elitist, wiser-than-thou complex is engraved in some here and sadly it's the very thing they claim to be fighting against within the JW org.
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Supreme Court Of Russia bans Jehovah's Witnesses as an 'extremist organization'
by EdenOne inread the news here.
the jehovah's witnesses lost their appeal to the supreme court of russia.
bethel to be liquidated.. i bet the gb saw this coming ... here comes the persecution complex paranoia.
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Sanchy
DJS, you are quite disrespectful and obviously do not read my posts as you continue talking about honor killings and bakers serving LGBT weddings. So, I will not waste my time arguing with you.
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Supreme Court Of Russia bans Jehovah's Witnesses as an 'extremist organization'
by EdenOne inread the news here.
the jehovah's witnesses lost their appeal to the supreme court of russia.
bethel to be liquidated.. i bet the gb saw this coming ... here comes the persecution complex paranoia.
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Sanchy
Proliferates literature containing hate speach toward humans whose sex, sexuality, ethic religous, political and cultural differences do not square with WT ideas of what is acceptable
Don't you see that this is EXACTLY what some of you are advocating that Governments do?? What right do you have to enforce upon me your "acceptable" view on such things as religion, sexuality, cultural and political ideology? These sorts of things cannot be enforced unless a tyranny is set up (history shows this to be the case with the leftist marxism/communism movements, ironically the direction Russia seems to be headed)
If you want to influence ppl into certain ideologies, you do it with information. You teach, educate, and patiently the market of ideas will create winners and losers. It takes time, but its the only right way to do it.
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Supreme Court Of Russia bans Jehovah's Witnesses as an 'extremist organization'
by EdenOne inread the news here.
the jehovah's witnesses lost their appeal to the supreme court of russia.
bethel to be liquidated.. i bet the gb saw this coming ... here comes the persecution complex paranoia.
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Sanchy
Wow, just wow. It really pains me to see the amount of hatred some of you here display.
DJS: Let me ask you, what if the Orthodox Russian Church coerces the government into outlawing "extremist" atheist "propaganda" such as Darwin's Theory book or any other non-theist publication. Would it be a "good law" then?
No JW publication encourages honor killings or burning of heretics. So it's an unfair comparison. Also, the right for a baker to not serve an LGBT wedding is his/her individual right and in no way is this unique to the JW religion as something only they are promoting. Besides that, you are going to defend Russia's gay rights history?
Yes...everyone should be allowed to follow his individual conscience (as long as that does not mean to inflict harm om others).
But in Watchtowerland, your individual conscience is to be made obedient to Watchtower rules. Your conscience allows you (or even urges you) to accept blood, or continue associating with your DFed children? Watchtower will try force you to violate your conscience. If you don't, you'll lose all your friends and family.
It is the right of EVERY individual to decide what they will let their concience be guided by. This is a God-given right (mother universe given right for the atheist amongst us) and it cannot be removed by a government. Whether you like the teachings of the JWs or not, taking away their rights is NEVER THE ANSWER. I dont understand why progressives world-round fail to see that one day, this very government that is removing the rights of those you dislike, can turn around and do the same thing to YOUR rights.
For all the people who cry out that Russia doesn't recognize "freedom of religion", what they fail to realize is that the WTS takes away freedom of religion. Russia has recognized that individual freedom is more important than an American corporation's freedom to enslave the Russian people with their harmful doctrines and practices
There is so much wrong with this reasoning, that it pains me to even hear it. "Russia has recognized that individual freedom is.. important"???? Really?? So taking away ppl's god given rights as individuals to decide how they will live their life is "recognizing individual freedom" ? Please, listen to yourself.
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Supreme Court Of Russia bans Jehovah's Witnesses as an 'extremist organization'
by EdenOne inread the news here.
the jehovah's witnesses lost their appeal to the supreme court of russia.
bethel to be liquidated.. i bet the gb saw this coming ... here comes the persecution complex paranoia.
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Sanchy
I cannot understand for the life of me how some of you here have been able to let build so much anger and resentment in your hearts so as to possibly consider the probable upcoming pain/troubles/persecutions of those you once considered "brothers" to be a good thing. My friends, I know the JW religion has been the source of much personal pain for most of us, but please remember that two wrongs do NOT make a right. A few points I'd like to make:
1) Since when do government bans stop the JW message from spreading? History shows that it only has a contrary effect. Gov bans do NOT stop JWs, freedom of information does.
2) These are real individuals involved that will suffer real pains and persecutions for the reason of following their religious conscience. No matter how "pathetic" you think the religious doctrines are, it's every individuals right to follow their own individual conscience. No government law can ever change this fact without becoming a tyranny, and it's attempts to do so will only replace one oppressive system with another.
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Is shunning unscriptual?
by MrTheocratic ininternational version 1 cor 5:11. but now i am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler.
do not even eat with such people.. if shunning is wrong.
.how does one explain this scripture?.
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Sanchy
I don't think this "Paul contradicts Jesus" theme works with ppl who still believe in scripture as the word of God. Afterall, Jesus handpicked Paul as an apostle and clearly blessed him with holy spirit to do many great works.
Me personally, I do believe shunning to a certain degree IS indeed scriptural. However, it seems to me that nowhere in the bible is authority given to form a judicial system, a system with theocratic courts and judges and punishments/sentences. This would go beyond the statement given by Paul, and indeed beyond the attitude Jesus told his followers to have. (an attitude opposite to the pharisees)
Rather, the suggestion here is on an individual basis, directed toward all in the congregation. An idea closely related to the concept that "bad company corrupts good character", Paul is simply encouraging all Christians to avoid relating closely to any who 'claiming to be a brother practices all these things'. This would be up to the conscience of each christian to follow. Nowhere does it speak of a "state" of disfellowshipping which someone falls into after being declared "guilty of not repenting" in which they can't be spoken to for the rest of their lives until they follow some reinstatement procedure.This theocratic judicial system goes beyond scripture and intent, and ultimately I think does more harm than good to the Christian Conscience.
This same context also applies to 2 John 10 of "not even greeting someone who does not bring this teaching". Again, this is a personal recommendation directed towards individuals, a recommendation again closely related to the "bad company corrupts.." concept. Besides that, who is John referring to in this text when he mentions to not even greet? The context shows that he is referring to someone who refuses to believe in Christ, the "anti-christ". Can a JW say they are following this scripture if they shun someone that although in disagreement with JW doctrine, still believes in Christ?
For more discussion in the subject, there is always jwfacts.com.