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  We’re getting out.

  by MissDaSilva in

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  been in for 20 plus years but decided to get out with my son.

  can’t do this anymore.

  never seen such hypocrisy and clickyness anywhere else.

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  Sanchy

  Good for you MissDaSilva.

  Get your son out of there before he's able to decide he wants to stay.
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  Reinstatement Procedure

  by KerryKing in

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  what else has changed?.

  during the many years i have been df'd the org has printed a new bible, new song book, doctrinal changes, so has anything changed re reinstating someone?.

  i'm contemplating the leap for family reasons but due to my job and young family commitments there is no way i would be able to attend every meeting for months on end.

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  Sanchy

  If you're seeking reinstatement, your best bet is to humiliate yourself publicly so that the elders notice, as often as possible.

  Be on your chair in the back of the hall 5 mins before mtg starts, every week, religiously (pun intended).

  After around 6 months of that, write a mea culpa letter to the elders saying that you've come to your senses, recognize that through your actions you've made Jehoovers feel terrible sadness, but feel that he has shown you mercy recently and you believe he is ready to accept you back into his fold.

  Nod your head in approval to all counsel the elders give you and put on a "grateful for advice" facade.

  Do this and you WILL be reinstated.
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  Thought on “0 hours” reporting

  by FFGhost in

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  so everyone knows the “big news” of this past weekend, no more reporting of hours, placements, return visits, etc.

  beginning november 1, jws just tick a box indicating whether they “shared in any form of the ministry during the month”.. so there was a brief comment by a redditor that seems like a brief joke “throwaway comment” but after thinking about it….why not?.

  the idea is, what is “any form of the ministry”?

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  Sanchy

  I wonder if any of this has anything to do with AM3's resignation/removal
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  Can Elders Voluntarily Resign?

  by NotFormer in

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  an elder with half a brain (and they must exist 🧐) is going to see the writing on the wall with the way the wt is manoeuvring them into taking the fall over csa cases.

  can an elder in good standing step down with no consequences, official or social?.

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  Sanchy

  Yes, I resigned as well. I spoke frankly and told them that there were a few issues I no longer believed in and as such would feel hypocritical pretending to teach/guide the friends.

  Needless to say they were troubled, yet respectful of my humility/honesty.
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  Are you PISSED-OFF with christianity/religion? Watch THE KINGDOM

  by Reasonfirst in

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  if you are pissed-off with christianity and/or religion in general, then you may like this overview of the downfall of the hillsong (pentecostalism) franchise.. it was made by a staff member of sbs an australian tv, who is apparently an ex-hillsong attendee.. the description blurb notes: " marc fennell investigates the successful, but scandal plagued megachurch hillsong, stepping back into the world of pentecostalism that he left behind and asking what happens as the hillsong kingdom crumbles.".

  you can find this report on sbs ondemand.. link: https://www.sbs.com.au/ondemand/tv-program/the-kingdom/2204846147867.

  there are other links on the web to other critical examinations of hillsong's failings, including the failure of pastor brian houston's failure to report his father's (the founder of hillsong) pedophilia.. another australian link is to channel 7's spotlight;.

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  Sanchy

  I used to be PISSED-OFF with Christianity/religion. Now I just dgaf anymore. I came to realize that the cultyness, the irrationality, the bullying, and a lot of the supposed bad traits that I criticized the religious for, can also occur among the unreligious..

  I'm at peace with it all.
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  Is Bible chronology true?

  by Fisherman in

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  according to jw interpretation of bible chronology, the earliest human, adam, came into existence some 6,048 years ago compared to scientific dating of human fossils believed to be much older.

  since jesus validated the creation of adam and eve as historical people and jc’s own lineage is traced all the way back to adam, bible chronology is certified as true and there must be something wrong with scientific dating.

  what proves scientific dating as accurate that humans are much older than what bible chronology says?.

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  Sanchy

  OP: Is Bible chronology true?

  No, it is not.

  But I don't think that's the answer you want to hear.
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  Is 1914 still a major belief in JW land ? Or has it been abandoned ?

  by smiddy3 in

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  i just wonder about this topic as it is now 109 years since that date and what was expected to take place has never happened ..

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  Sanchy

  Fisher: 1914 is written in stone

  If the GB released an "new understanding" article tomorrow dismissing the 1914 math, 99.9% of JWs would accept it and move on, calling it a speeding up of "Jehovah's chariot".

  A few decades later, articles would be written of how "at the time some in the organization believed that in 1914 blah blah....."
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  Just read that Carl Olof Jonsson died yesterday

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?

  he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.

  the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.

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  Sanchy

  Scholar: Are you thick?

  I don't swing that way.

  Anyways, I have some exciting results from our little experiment: Found a buddy who actually read Dan 4, asked him if he gathered any indication that the prophecy within that chapter entailed two fulfillments. His answer was, as expected, "No"

  Sorry to say your assertion regarding Dan 4 was wrong, Scholar.

  
  
  
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  Just read that Carl Olof Jonsson died yesterday

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?

  he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.

  the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.

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  Sanchy

  I invite the participants to focus on the following texts:
  Da.4: 3, 17, 25, 26, 32, 34, 37

  I looked over those texts. None of them directly mention anything about a second fulfillment.

  Now the question to be asked for all of these texts that are well distributed throughout chapter 4
  is, What is the common factor for all of these verses?

  Nah, the question that should be asked is whether one can gather a second fulfillment from "simply reading the chapter", as you originally claimed, without manipulating the reader into arbitrarily focusing on singular verses cherry picked from your mental library of allegorical interpretations.
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  Just read that Carl Olof Jonsson died yesterday

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?

  he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.

  the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.

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  Sanchy

  Scholar: "I am sorry too that from your careful reading of Daniel 4 you did not discern its dual fulfilment."

  Indeed, you should be. You were wrong. You said "one only needs to read the chapter to discern its dual fulfillment". Turns out that was fake news on your end.

  We should do an experiment where we ask others, preferably non-jw, to read Dan 4 and tell us if they discern two fulfillments. I bet that would not bode well for you either Scholar.