Posts by Clambake

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Did I say too much, and scare away my elderette? What has happened to Miss K?

by Faithful Witness in

i have had 3 sessions of what is most likely being tracked as a "bible study" with an elderette who is from the kh we stopped attending about 3-4 years ago.. after last week's visit and bible verse study, she asked me if she should return.

i had expressed concerns that she was a heretic, and i had a friend who had warned me not to let her into my house.

i told her i had to think about whether i wanted to study the bible teach book with her.

Clambake

I remember when I was studying and they were explaining the 1914 thing to me and I started to ask questions.

1. What does a marked year mean and what was taught before 1914 ?

2. Why should Jerusalem mean anything other than the city of Jerusalem when talking to a bunch of pissed off jews in the city of Jerusalem.

3. Where is the day for a year rule in the bible ?

4. How is the tree in Daniel 4 related to the end times when it clearly says represents the kingdom of .......I can't spell it.

5. Why does every other source site 583 over 607 to the fall of Jerusalem.

6. Then the generation of 1914 was not suppose to live to see the end of the system of things. Now how long is a generation ??

That was my last study. They never called back.

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Show me the STATS!

by sparrowdown in

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100yrs of kingdome rule?

then why is there not 100yrs of detailed, accurate records?.

maybe it's just me but what were the actual odds of me remaining one of jws?.

Clambake

In most western nations the hardcore JW are usually the baby boom generation or older. I just had a friend who was 60 years old walk away. All he had to do was wait till his 80 something year old parents passed away. It will be interesting to see what happens once the baby boomers start to leave us.

Another interesting fact in Canada since 1995 there has been nearly 65000 baptisms but only a growth of 9000 publishers. Eventually the old ones will die off. I think we are reaching peak witnesses sooon, aleast in the west.

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One thing about this site that bothers me

by keyser soze in

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the constant references to 'window washers' as something derogatory.. i understand the context of it-that most jws are uneducated, and unqualified to do much more.

but sometimes the references seem snobbish, almost mean-spirited.

one poster, on another thread, essentially referred to window washers as 'losers'.

Clambake

So

I would like to start off by saying I am sorry. I never met to be belittling anyone on this board or slag anyone who does blue collar work. Allah knows I have done enough manual labour in my life and I don’t have a large amount of post-secondary education.

I wasn’t really making a reference to manual labour. I was just making more of a reference how the WTS can either make people socially inept of just down right lazy.

I know pioneers who are not driven by their sincere love of teaching the bible but because they are just too f-ing useless to hold a job or put an honest day’s work in. Of course they are living with Mommy and Daddy or some spouse is killing himself to make ends meet.

I knew a guy who would leave watchtowers in the coffee room at work and the boss would ask him not to do that. Of course he would make an issue of it and not listen and would lose his job over it and it would happen over and over. Daddy Elder thought he was a real hero for it. Truth is he was one dam lazy bastard.

I hope that clears things up of what I consider a loser and how it relates to the WTS. Please no offence to the working joe’s on the board because I am right there with you.

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Meeting attendance

by DATA-DOG in

Clambake

The last two C ongregations I have been in have merged with other ones.

The first one I was in claimed to have two congregations each with about 70 publishers. Funny thing is I have never seen more than 45 people at a meeting. I think they finally just merged because too many people were playing " They must be at the other meeting " game. I swear 80% are 50 years and older.

Second one is a small rural one where all the elders have moved in, do there six months and leave. Finally had to close the other hall 50 kms away to make one decent congregations. Funny thing is they have included 3 and 4 year olds as publishers.

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Who is the biggest Loser JW you have known

by Clambake in

it seems every cong seems to have some guy who is 35 and never had a job or moved out of mom and dads basement.. i knew a guy who just hand out magazines at work so he would get eventually fired and could sleep in till noon everyday.

of course his elder father though he was a real matyr cause he kept losing jobs for jehovah.

i have an electrican friend who apprenticed some jw kid till he got his ticket and he quit him to pioneering.

Clambake

It seems every cong seems to have some guy who is 35 and never had a job or moved out of mom and dads basement.

I knew a guy who just hand out magazines at work so he would get eventually fired and could sleep in till noon everyday. Of course his elder father though he was a real matyr cause he kept losing jobs for jehovah.

I have an electrican friend who apprenticed some JW kid till he got his ticket and he quit him to pioneering. He just sleeps in till noon each day and hangs out with an unemployed study for four hours and goes home. I think they just play video games. Of course elder father is so proud of him.

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Had an argument with my wife about tinkerbell :(

by BU2B in

one of my co workers mother made my 4 year old a blanket with the disney character tinkerbell on it.

as soon as i got it i knew trouble lay ahead.

i wanted to reason with her before my daughter saw it so as not to cause a disruption, but it didn't work out that way.

Clambake

I remember in the Kingdom Hall one time there was someone doing this talk and somehow the twilight thing came up and the dangers of vampire culture while there was this little child coloring away in his sesame street coloring book with a picture of the count on the front.

I had a little laugh about it.

One Apostate …..ha ha ha

Two Apostates…..ha ha ha

Tinkerbell. Maybe she thinks your kid will become gay or something LMAO.

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what is a CO

by bigmac in

i'm out of touch with dub-speak.. .

in another thread--the writer refers to the co--is this circuit overseer--congregation overseer--or what ?.

Clambake

To me the C.O visits are like remember when you watch the first two star wars movies and you think Darth Vader is the biggest prick in the galaxy , then you watch ‘”Return of the Jedi” and realize the emperor is an a bigger dick than Darth Vader.

That is kind of how I think the Elder /C.O relationship is, right down to getting the Kingdom Hall cleaned up is Darth Vader rushing to get the Death Star operational for the Emperors visit.

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Trinitarians! Who is Jesus Christ's father the Holy Spirit or the Father?

by booker-t in

this is one question that trinitarians try to avoid because they have created a very embarrassing problem.

the bible is very clear when the angel tells mary that holy spirit will overshadow her and she will become pregnant.

the angel does not say the father will overshadow her but the holy spirit will and if the holy spirit is a person that would make him the father of jesus.

Clambake

If you look at the old testament, there seems to be a plurality to ( God, Jehovah, LORD, yahweh, ).

When you read the Gospels you see Jesus claimed to co-exist with his father as one.

When you read the Paul letters you see he applies he seems to apply the same old testament passages containing the tetragrammaton to both god and jesus.

Who did the authors of the Gospels and Paul believe Jesus was ?? The arch angel Michael or God in the flesh. Keep it simple stupid.

Just cause I don’t fully understand it doesn’t mean I can’t accept it. I just believe what the authors of the bible believed.

I find Jehovah witnesses seem to spend more time trying to disprove the than teach it.

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Is there a do not study list ??

by Clambake in

when i started to date my wife, i started to study with one of the elders.

i later found out he was an especially harsh elder that basically disfellowed an entire generation of young people.

joke is on him because his congregation had to merge with another one and basically has a medium age of maybe 60 years old but that is a whole different thread.. the first thing he said to me when we started to study was do you think you have been deceived by satan?.

Clambake

So

When I started to date my wife, I started to study with one of the elders. I later found out he was an especially harsh elder that basically disfellowed an entire generation of young people. Joke is on him because his congregation had to merge with another one and basically has a medium age of maybe 60 years old but that is a whole different thread.

The first thing he said to me when we started to study was “do you think you have been deceived by Satan?. “ I laughed; I couldn’t believe how pompous this A-hole was. I was raised in a church and not very religious but I did know a thing or two.

As the study continued I started to explain to him how the bible was the story of god and the Jews and then then god and his church (the body of Christ). We discussed the plurality of god in the Old Testament, what the Israel of god was and what the new convanent really is? That the term Jehovah, Yahweh or LORD in the Old Testament was most likely a reference to Jesus and God together.

I explained that the bible isn’t Harry Potter and it is not some twisted complicated ever changing code being unravelled by seven magical men and how he seemed to be more interested in disproving the bible sometimes.

We went through some of his reasoning from the scriptures explanations and I explained why the verses he was quoting were either taken out of context or just completely irrelevant to what we were taking about.

Long story, She was marked. We got married. We moved away and eventually went to a new congregation and had the mark removed.

Funny thing is no one at the new congregation wanted to study with me. I approach some of the less fanatical elements ( never answers questions, maybe 50% attendance ) if they wanted to have some sincere talks about the bible and such. Even traded phone numbers and such. I thought it would be a better way of getting time in instead of door knocking, yet not a word.

I am wondering if there is a do not study list or something ?? Is the word out in the new congregation about me ??

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Memorial Musings

by undercover in

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a few things noticed in last nights annual, jesus who?

gathering:.

1: only one scripture from the gospels was read or cited.

Clambake

I just love how during the speech they just gloss right over huge portions with dogma with no explaination what so ever.

" the bible clearly says there is two hopes for mankind " ...........where ??

" the bible clearly says only the 144,000 are in these new convanent ?? ...........huh ??

It is like 1 + 1 = 4 over and over.