What really bugged me was when the moderator made the comment; “of all those that make sacrifices to auxiliary pioneer are 100% always blessed and feel great afterwards, I guarantee it”!
cobaltcupcake
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I MADE A HUGE MISTAKE
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cobaltcupcake
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Has anyone heard anything about Elders being a separate entity and WTS not helping them in court cases legally?
by Newly Enlightened ini just heard a rumor and trying to verify it.
a current jw just told us that the elder's are now a separate entity and that when brought into court hearings and they try to use the 'clergy confidentiality clause' that the wtbt$ backs off and says the elders are their own separate entity.. anyone heard anything like this?.
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cobaltcupcake
Jeez, whatever happened to "mother?"
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Living Through the Brief Liberalization of Jehovah's Witnesses, Never Recovering
by TMS inwith the book crisis of conscience detailing the turbulence at bethel during the early to mid 70's, the transformation from autocratic rule to governance by committee or a body of men, many of us can speak to how that felt among the rank and file of the local congregations during those years.
we learned new concepts based in large part to research done for the aid to bible understanding volume, then we were asked or coerced into unlearning those principles, going back to the old ways.
some of us never readjusted, finding ourselves very different from our more hardline compadres.. the inertia for the changes that eventually were initiated in the congregations came from the discovery that the greek words episkopos and presbyteros were used biblically to refer to all qualified men in a congregation, not just one.
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cobaltcupcake
A number of Watchtower articles of that era emphasized the individual conscience, making decisions based on principles, taking care of the widow and orphan as part of the "ministry", etc. Many of us eagerly accepted all of this sort of Christian, highminded, individual approach to serving our God. While we could give a number of other initiatives, examples, you get the drift of the organization for a very brief time in its history.
Wow, I remember that so well. We were supposed to be high-minded and give our brothers and sisters room to be individuals. There was a lot of emphasis on the importance of training our consciences. Now you just need to open your mouth and swallow whatever "Mother" spoon feeds you.
Something you left out was the change in understanding of the term "minister." Suddenly, only the appointed brothers were "ministers," and the rest of us were just slobs.
I remember it because when I walked into the KH one Sunday morning in '74 or '75 there was only one other person there, an elder, and he asked me point blank when my ordination date was. I rattled off my baptism date, and he pointed his finger at me and said triumphantly, "Well, obviously someone hasn't read the latest Watchtower!"
That understanding was reversed abruptly a short time later. Then, for a brief time, it seemed that everything we did to present a good image of JWs to the community could be considered our "ministry." Washing your car or mowing your lawn were part of your "ministry." You couldn't count time for that stuff, but it was just as important as going door to door.
I remember the change in understanding about greeting DF'd people. There was a brother who was DF'd. He worked for the city collecting trash. One day I saw him on the street and avoided him. Virtually the next day I was riding the school bus and saw him on his garbage truck. I leaned out the window and hollered a greeting at him. Then, in '81 it changed back to shunning. Say what?
That was a weird period of time.
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Unbelievable Assertion!!!!!!!
by The Searcher inwe had our special assembly day this weekend.. what the district overseer stated in his talk totally stunned me, and made me feel sick to my stomach.
he said, "christ is directing us through the governing body, and we cannot get holy spirit except through them!".
i do not wish to reveal all my thoughts on his statement, but i pray to god that it acts as a wake-up call to at least some of the audience.. suffice to say that the gb is now the mediator to our mediator, and from now on, i will have to pray for holy spirit through the name of the gb!!.
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cobaltcupcake
I still think that's a pretty blatant statement. However, I doubt that the R&F would even notice. They're like that frog in a pan of hot water.
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BECOME A JW AND YOU CAN'T
by Larry inassociate with ex-members .
fully accept the watchtower's authority and rules (no exceptions) .
dress according to their rules at the kingdom halls, service and conventions (no exceptions) .
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cobaltcupcake
Can't get drunk or smoke anything.
Wear fashionable clothing.
Drive a flashy car.
Marry outside the faith.
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JW Humor
by Larry injehovah's witness virus: deletes all but 144000 select files.
i'm a jehovah's bystander.
we's like the witnesses, only we don't wanna get involved.
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cobaltcupcake
Excellent!
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December 15 Watchtower --- A New Low in WT Anti-Intellectualism
by Room 215 ini wonder whether any of you took note of the article in the 12/15 study edition wt "the simplified watchtower .. why introduced" i couldn't believe they actually had the temerity to put such tripe into print and onto the record.. i was flat-out astonished with its put-down of vocabulary building and self-improvement:.
one egregious example: " the time spent looking up words and explaining expressions (ostensibly from the "smart people's" watchtower) is now spent gaining an understanding of the scriptures and how they fit into the lesson.".
one jw cited in the article actually blames her college education for causing her to fall into the bad habit of "speaking and thinking a way that was more complicated than necessary.
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cobaltcupcake
It wasn't all that long ago (well, maybe it was) that just the opposite was applauded in the same magazine and we were encouraged to have a dictionary handy when we were preparing for the meeting. I remember how they used to say that reading the literature improved your vocabulary. Now they've dumbed down the "smart-people's" Watchtower and created an even more dumbed-down version. How toopid do they think their constituency is?
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the other side of disfellowshipping
by nowwhat? inpersonally i hate it when you come face to face with someone disfellowshiped and you can't do a simple acknowledgement or greeting.
they are obviously making an effort to be there to be reinstated.
as i recall back in the 1970's they did allow this but what is always the case some took advantage of this provision and in engaged in full blown conversations.
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cobaltcupcake
that the spirit protected everyone from me during the meeting..
For full protection they should install a "DF-Only" bathroom and drinking fountain. Did they give you a scarlet letter to sew onto your clothes? Did you have to walk through the hall crying out "unclean, unclean?"
Despicable is exactly right.
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I am like Dr. Leo Marvin in "What about Bob"
by NVR2L8 ina few days ago i watch the old bill murray movie "what about bob" with my family and realized that i'm in the same situation as dr. leo marvin (played by richard dreyfus).
for those who have never seen this movie, dr. marvin is a psychiatrist who is unable to shake off an obsessed patient who manages to track him down during his family vacation.
the patient befriends the family who see him like a charming man, when in fact he is driving dr. leo crazy.
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cobaltcupcake
God, I love that movie!
Having suffered from anxiety myself I can totally relate to Bob's perceptions.
I think the M. Night Shaymalan movie "The Village" closely mirrors my experience with JWs.
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My wife just told me to move out...
by nolongerconfused inbecause of "religious" differences, she now wants me to move out and "separate"...i said what biblical grounds does she have for her request?.
she couldnt respond...she said she'd rather be beaten up by me than have an "apostate" in the house.... this org definitely encourages conditional love.... i don't know what to do...by the way, we dont have children.
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cobaltcupcake
I'm so sorry you're going through this!
As someone pointed out, in a WT years ago it laid out the grounds for separation, and one of them was absolute endangerment of spirituality. If you're pushing TTATT too hard, she may actually have grounds to leave. I'd apologize and hit the mute button on preaching at her.