this is as summary about the origins https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creation_of_man_from_clay
Polish artists and clay fellows have the motto "We are all from the same clay".
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Mounded From Clay
by konceptual99 injust sitting through this week's wt study and just spent 5 minutes listening to multiple answers where people are convinced that jehovah made humans from clay, literally forming adam like a sculpture then breathing life into him.. it's embarrassing to think i basically thought the same....
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Cart "witnessing" in Rio during the 2016 Olympiad
by oppostate inat the 2016 olympic games in rio de janeiro, brazil, there are reportedly 62 carts with over a thousand brothers/sisters taking shifts and <ehem>working</ehem> the proximity in rio de janeiro from 8 in the morning till 11 at night (8:00 to 23:00), august 5th-21st.. .
such an "olympic" effort!.
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TheWonderofYou
Olympia of the trolls -Its Special Olympics - Many let their trolleys troll and hope to gain medails. Let see how many will through away in the olympic idea their gold and silvermedails and buy real treasures at watchtower like investements in bible classes, bible teacher properties and other strategic pioneer assets. Soon on JW broadcast TV.
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Why are anniversaries allowed but not birthdays?
by hyperpen inthe scripture quotes aside, i was always told that we don't celebrate birthdays because that is a celebration of the self, which has no place in jehovah's organization.
then why celebrate anniversaries?
anniversary celebrations are about the joining of two selves, isn't that twice as selfish?.
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TheWonderofYou
Finkelstein - where in the scripture?
You finally caught me while I was only kidding and tried to find out the real reason.
The argumentation is totally free invented, but could be as well the JW cult's argumentation.
I wanted to show how stupid all this is.
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Why are anniversaries allowed but not birthdays?
by hyperpen inthe scripture quotes aside, i was always told that we don't celebrate birthdays because that is a celebration of the self, which has no place in jehovah's organization.
then why celebrate anniversaries?
anniversary celebrations are about the joining of two selves, isn't that twice as selfish?.
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TheWonderofYou
A person is only to be honoured if it does not turn around the persons life/birth, because life is from God. So only the honouring for achievements of a person is remaining.
It seems that behind it stands the idea that the birth of person or the person itself is
- a pagan, mystical ceremony with satanic origin
- or honouring a person would be imitating the satanic attitude of demonstratiing distraction or dishonouring God who only is the real lifegiver.
In both cases SATAN wants to seduce Jehovahs witnesses to think that the person is more important than God and therefore they dont celebrate the person and avoid the tricky trap of Satan the devil.
The scripture that supports this is the birthdayparty of John the baptist, that turned into a bloody mass and the star of bethlem whom SATAN sent for the little children to seduce them to think that HE is God and can make falling stars.
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Changes & Clarifications on our belief. DOMINO EFFECT blamed for late coming into print
by TheWonderofYou inin the august broadcast bro splane explains this point deeper.. when the brothers are sitting together and joyfully speaking about clarification of jw belief, they often encounter and deal with that "domino-effect" when one scripture has effects on others.
so all changes are carefully considered before they come into print, one after the other but late.. lately he mentions the "godfathers" brother jaracz , barr as good examples of reading the bible progressivly, they were very progressive at there time.
what ever this could mean he did not explain it?.
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TheWonderofYou
In the August broadcast Bro Splane explains this point deeper.
When the brothers are sitting together and joyfully speaking about clarification of JW belief, they often encounter and deal with that "Domino-Effect" when one scripture has effects on others. So all Changes are carefully considered before they come into print, one after the other but late.
Lately he mentions the "Godfathers" brother Jaracz , Barr as good examples of reading the bible progressivly, they were very progressive at there time. What ever this could mean he did not explain it?
However certainly already back then they got into contact with that dangerous Domino Effect if they touched one scripture and wanted to clarify it carefully and probably they tried but could not cope with the effects and changed nothing important for the benefit of us.
And what are these guys thinking about to change at this moment, when their bibles come on the table?
BTW: If the Domino effect is to be blamed for that, how LARGE has been the HERESY up to now, it must have been immense? How many false prophesies must have JW made that a clarification is pratically unimpossible due to those random-effects on other prophecies. Think of that.
Listen the Youtube video from minute 25:10
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JW and the Sabbath
by Andromeda inhello brothers and sisters and truth seekers,.
i am an active jehovah's witness.
i don't believe in 1914 and i'm tototally against their way of dealing with abuse cases.
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TheWonderofYou
I always wondered why Jehovas witnesses dont have a "holy day" neither SABBAT nor the LORDSDAY.
I thought .oh they are very modern they give these days a "spiritualized sense" so the actual day were not important.Well the Sabbath, I try a new kind of approach to the matter and perhaps I have success and can take a sabbatical. I let you take part in my finding process:
The Genesis is not a historical evidence that the Sabbath was given to ADAM and EVE as a gift or a law or an institution. As a theologically arranged story about creation and description of the understanding of the people of Israel how the World was and should be, the Sabbath plays in Genesis the role as reminder for ISRAEL of a perfect creation, a paradise of God dominated by righteousness, which had been forfeited by sin and could only be regained again by righteousness and as a sign for the covenant.
Read Genesis Chapter 2, no mentioning of Sabbat being a day of worship for Adam and Eve, later it was not mandated for Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph and the rest of gods people as well. It was instituted officially in Exodus in the law of Moses (~1500 BCE). The law of Sinai was for Israel and Sabbat was sign of the coventant between God and Israel, AND NEVER a sign between God and the nations. God instituted the seventh-day system, not for everybody in the world. In fact, specifically it says for Israel. Verse 17, “A sign between Me and the sons of Israel forever.”
The Jews never phantazised that the Sabbath order was not explicitly given to Israel alone, why should christian then do it? And for Jews without Christ this Thora is of course binding even today. For them the Law has not "ended". The Thora is not for the whole mankind.
However for Christians the Law of Christ is applicable. (Galatians 6,2) We are under the "law of Christ" this term is not an invention by Paul, but a well known term of rabbinic theology. The Law of Christ is not end of Thora in unrigthousness but Perfection through a new messianic thora that is highter and more exalted than the mosaic.
What do todays Jews think of that old jewish term "law of Christ"? Rabbi Silberg writing about Thora-study in the messianic era, explains: "The Torah which we study in this world is naughty in comparison to the Torah of Moshiach, Moshiach will teach about G‑d and we will "see" it.
Christians under the law of christ can celebrate a sabbath remembering God as our Creator and thinking of the fact that we live in the REALITY of the REST. We rest from works righteousness, efforts at self-salvation, a rest based on gods mercy. We have entered into the rest of the gospel. Every day for us is a sabbath, because every day we rest in the finished work of Jesus Christ.
The church writes (catechism) that the Sunday, better LORD's DAY, is the perfection of the Sabbat. On the first day of the week, we celebrate Him as our Redeemer, The Sunday fulfills through Christ the spiritual sense of the sabbath and is a sign... it proclaims the eternal rest of God in us men. No better sabbatical rest in sight
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CLIENT INTAKE - CSA QUESTIONNAIRE & General legal advice and direction
by wifibandit inclient intake—csa questionnaire.
general legal advice and direction.
hi wifi.. i don't believe these have been seen before.. one is a general guideline given to elders who report a child safety issue in the congregation, and the second is the form they have to return to the legal department.. they are both recent forms.. the questionnaire has an interesting question at a.6 stating if the legal dept has advised to contact the authorities yes or no.
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TheWonderofYou
CSA is the Central Statistics Agency
"Do not send the Legal Department or the Service Department any electronic or written correspondence unless you are specifically requested to do so."
this makes the impression to me that this "official procedure" is only started if a report to the police or authority is simultaneously necessary. At this moment the victim and the abuser should already get their legal representatives, wheres the elder only held court about spiritual matters.
This means in all other cases (without sending this form to the Legal Department) elders and legal department are not protected at all. Therefore in those cases even more confidentiality is needed not to make no false accusations and not to blame someone as abuser.
What is not reported to the statistic agency does not count.
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CLIENT INTAKE - CSA QUESTIONNAIRE & General legal advice and direction
by wifibandit inclient intake—csa questionnaire.
general legal advice and direction.
hi wifi.. i don't believe these have been seen before.. one is a general guideline given to elders who report a child safety issue in the congregation, and the second is the form they have to return to the legal department.. they are both recent forms.. the questionnaire has an interesting question at a.6 stating if the legal dept has advised to contact the authorities yes or no.
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TheWonderofYou
1. "Telephon the legal department" without allowance of victim and offender, LegDep decides according to the special circumstances if legal steps are already necessary [as defined by law] or if only Safeguard elders with special guidance and help is sufficant.
2. Should legal steps be necessary then congregation elders are pulled in duty, they must inform police or other authority but also protect secretly legal advice to elders, but seemingly only if "a child" is further in risk. (what if an adult person was abused?)
3. At the same time they must fill out in some special cases written forms that are necessary for protecting the Legal Department and Elders in the Laywer-client privilege. Obviously there will not be reported any minor cases of "abuse" but only "legal"-relevant anyway.
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This generation will by no means pass away
by Darryl ingood morning i hope everyone is having a wonderful day.
there has been a lot of talk about the "new light" concerning the generation teaching.
it's been a major part of the prophecy concerning the last days and of course since jws are the only ones able to decipher and understand prophecy it is of great importance to get this main prophecy right.
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TheWonderofYou
Dont forget the red "Paradise" book 1982,1989, the bible lession book for millions.
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Trolley cart "witnessing" is getting ridiculous
by oppostate ini really fail to see how much actual "witnessing" is occurring with the trolley carts.publishers, usually pioneers, just stand or sit there not engaging anyone and count their time.. the only thing i notice that it's accomplishing is brand exposure for jw.0rg so the public is exposed to the logo and literature/poster card headlines.. take for example this "evening" witnessing by a pioneer elder while on summer holiday/vacation.. .
is this not a wth kinda moment when you consider the years of slaving, knocking on doors, business territory and bible studies we had to keep performing so we weren't branded a "weak" publisher?.
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TheWonderofYou
Leaving the trolley alone or being more than 2 meters away or going to the beach.... would that be enough to get counted as "being off one's trolley"?