Posts by TheWonderofYou

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What if Jesus Christ was not put to death by the Romans but instead died a natural death?

by deegee in

according to christianity, the death of jesus was a miscarriage of justice.

so then, what if there was no so-called miscarriage of justice so that jesus was not put to death by the romans but he instead died a natural death?

would christians still receive the forgiveness of their sins and their hoped for salvation?.

TheWonderofYou

A perfect man who sins can very well die. Otherwise the mission of Jesus would have been no test of Loyality.

So if Jesus in his perfect state sinned only once - e.g. didnt accomplish his mission would be a sin (his mission was to be always LOYAL in the great issue and not to die as payment for Adam) - from this moment on he would have started growing old. So if he had not been loyal in just a single occasion he would have instantly began to grow old anyway and die a death of an unimportant forgotten cult leader.

But if he would have remained loyal and would not have sinned and so accomplished fathers mission of proving loyalty with bravour, he shouldn't have died at all and would now be father of many children with a beautiful woman. That was jesus plan.

Sadly the Romans wanted a harder test of loyality. They liked to test all crazy jews with thistlecrowns and torture and even tried lacerations and the test of cruzification on him to see if he was a real king.

Jesus had had other plans. He had not calculated that it would really come so far. He didnt want to die, but he wanted to stay loyal and live forever as perfect man on earth. He had to stay loyal so what could he do? He had to shoulder this roman punishment burden also.

If he fled and called his angel armee to help and free him from the Roman soldiers, he would have been a weakling but would he have been actually illoyal? Did his mission not only actually include Loyality or even loyality until death? Was it a loyality until death mission? Why should it have been a sin not accepting Roman death punishmentto? Would loyality really include paying the unique superman-price for Adams' guilt?

God would have certainly disfellowshipped him from divine companionship but later he would have given him a change to return e.g. as helper of the GB.

He would not have been better or more loyal than Adam. Jesus would have repented but had not commited any heavy sin - only that he didnt want to die and to accept a roman punishment - and so despite everything he would have lived for ever on earth in the end. He could even be a real king and turn over everything to make a paradise earth.

But he didnt want to be an unknown looser for his followers firstly and he knew that his mission included going back to heaven anyway, so he decided to die fast, so he also avoided further tests of loyality and further temptations as well as big sins and could give his followers the hope of resurrection. Was not that a good example? He only had to way 3 days and he would have given a better impression than Adam. (I must be crazy)

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YOU are bound to be like God, KNOWING good and bad.

by nicolaou in

let's assume god decides what is good and bad.

does he (a) decide what is good because it is obviously good or (b) is it good simply because he says so?.

if (a) god has no choice in what is good.

TheWonderofYou

Christian Frey in Adam an Eve are 800 years older than the bible

https://www.welt.de/geschichte/article128190416/Adam-und-Eva-sind-800-Jahre-aelter-als-die-Bibel.html

The good creator-god El, lives his wife Asherah in a paradise garden. Affliction comes with the evil god Horon, who was banished from the mountain of God and seeks revenge. For this he transformed the tree of life, which is in El's garden, in a tree of death and covered the world with toxic fog.

As El wants to renew life on Earth, raises him Horon in the form of a large snake in the way. Its bite takes of El his immortality. By after El begets offspring to his "good wife" he overcomes the curse and recovers to a kind of immortality.

El aka Adam was in this original version so initially a deity. "In this original version Eva bears no guilt," explains Marjo Korpel. Bible Students were convinced already long assumed that the biblical creation story of Adam and Eve is an older myth is based. Only lacked a written proof.

On a connection to ancient oriental myths circle Mesopotamia refers also the residence of Adam and Eve in the Ugarit version. Your Paradise is on the slopes of Mount Ararat, Noah's Ark landed on the according to the Old Testament after the flood. Before that happens, Noah leaves repeatedly releasing doves that are looking for dry land out.

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In the older story there was no part of disobidience and no sin of Eve at all.

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YOU are bound to be like God, KNOWING good and bad.

by nicolaou in

let's assume god decides what is good and bad.

does he (a) decide what is good because it is obviously good or (b) is it good simply because he says so?.

if (a) god has no choice in what is good.

TheWonderofYou

When I was yet faithful? .... I thought that most commandments were logically explainable because they were for a human benefit, basically what was in OT the 10 commandments.

But two commandments I thought had no benefit

1 the blood probition, for which there was no logical explanation - only that blood should belong to god was no explanation for me, pouring out blood I thought was only a benefit for god (giving back)- and

2 the Test God gave Adam and Eve "not eat from this fruit".

Those two commandements I understood to be "tests of obidience" without reasonable benefit for man and I accepted it until some day I questioned it. But that was process with some years of thinking about. Then I asked myself:

"Would God ever give a command that is not reasonable and not explainable and had no benefit?" and so slowly I allowed doubts in the J.W. literal explanation of the story about Adam and Eve and Blood issue

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Today, incidentally, I am reading Erich Fromm and what he thought about the story of Adam and Eve, because am yet looking for the "perfect" explanation, means the most reasonable explanation for me, i hope I can find it, cause I am a guy who always wants explanations, what lead me into the arms of that cult. I hope that I am not boring you with any of my findings.

For Erich From this old elementary myth about Adam and Eve is not mainly a story about obidience but about freedom ..yes. but not disobidience was the main subject - he thought - but the freedom to human independence. The prehuman nature with insticnts without knowlege about dead is over. The perfect prehuman existence with no problems only living in instincs is in the story the paradise.

The shame and guiltfeelings and fear ( of Adam and Eve in the story) are the effects not of "disobidience" but of seperateness, strangeness because humans have a mind and are AWARE that without love they have nobody and only will die.

This is acccording to Fromm clearly to see in the story because Adam gave Eve the debt, he didnt love her, he didnt defent her when God asked. Why? The nakedness in the story is expression of the awareness of otherness between men. Foreigner feel ashamed like naked.

Awarness of nakedness cant be a consequence of disobidience to Jehovah because why should the bible be written for the puritan moral of the 19. century!

Here I found corresponding text in english, I like this explanations

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Catching My Breath (RIP JWD'ers)

by Phaedra in

mouthy.

farkel.

ros.

TheWonderofYou

Its as if I knew him when I listen to the music.

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"Basics of Blood Management" by Dr. Petra Seeber and Dr. Aryeh Shander - Inaccuracies and Myth

by OrphanCrow in

patient blood management arose out of bloodless medicine and alternatives to blood transfusions.

pbm has been accepted as the standard of care in australia and has been implemented into the health care systems of other countries such as canada.

a prominent promoter of pbm has been aryeh shander from englewood hospital in new jersey.

TheWonderofYou

In fact, scores of them are physicians, even surgeons

It seems that more and more J.W. were seeking worldly careers and caught hold of their dream job - being physician. After that they played a role in promotion of what now is the bloodmanagement project. If you start scraching on the surface you will certainly find more. Note: that is in strict opposition to GB Lösch order not to seek wordly careers, a resounding slap for him, that the most clever J.W.s become physicians and achieve to be payed by pharmaceutical companies but all clear their job decision is as well a matter of conscience.

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Morbidity and mortality risk in J.W.. patients

by TheWonderofYou in

http://www.glowm.com/pdf/pph_2nd_edn_chap-72.pdf.

ta more recent (2009) study from the netherlands16 concluded that: ‘women who are jehovah’s witnesses are at a six times increased risk for maternal death, at a 130 times increased risk for maternal death because of major obstetric hemorrhage and at a 3.1 times increased risk for serious maternal morbidity because of obstetric hemorrhage, compared to the general dutch population.’.

the article highlights how j.w.-women are managed.. .

TheWonderofYou

JW women are between the fronts. IIts to consider they are heavily influenced by J W family and obidience not only to personal conscience but very much to obidience to the WatchtowerSociety-HLC.

You may also wish to contact the hospital liaison committees established by the Watch Tower Society (the governing body of Jehovah’s Witnesses) to support Jehovah’s Witnesses faced with treatment decisions involving blood. These committees can advise on current Society policy regarding the acceptability or otherwise of particular blood products. They also keep details of hospitals and doctors who are experienced in ‘bloodless’ medical procedures.

In the final analysis, the decision to abstain from blood transfusion is a personal one and not, as commonly portrayed, a dictate from the world headquarters in the USA.
The depth of belief of each individual Witness is well summarized in the booklet Management of Anaesthesia for Jehovah’s Witnesses, published by the Association of Anaesthetists of Great Britain and Ireland: ‘Administration of blood to a competent patient, against their will and in conflict with their genuinely held beliefs, has been likened by the Witnesses to rape. It will not result in expulsion from the community if it was carried out against the expressed wishes of the patient but may have as deep a psychological effect as forceful sexual interference’8

In which cases the Hospital Liason Committee of the Watchtower is dictated or ordered to act and to intervene at the patients bed? Only in cases where the hospital calls it? And how does it than guarantee that it would not DICTATE - not in the least - the womans personal decision?

Of course the World headquarter as far away as in the USA is not directly contacted via the red telephone. e.g. "Here Lösch, hello any question about what is personal choice?" how ridiculos, who could ever come up with such a ridiculos assumption?

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Morbidity and mortality risk in J.W.. patients

by TheWonderofYou in

http://www.glowm.com/pdf/pph_2nd_edn_chap-72.pdf.

ta more recent (2009) study from the netherlands16 concluded that: ‘women who are jehovah’s witnesses are at a six times increased risk for maternal death, at a 130 times increased risk for maternal death because of major obstetric hemorrhage and at a 3.1 times increased risk for serious maternal morbidity because of obstetric hemorrhage, compared to the general dutch population.’.

the article highlights how j.w.-women are managed.. .

TheWonderofYou

http://www.glowm.com/pdf/PPH_2nd_edn_Chap-72.pdf

TA more recent (2009) study from The Netherlands16 concluded that: ‘Women who are Jehovah’s Witnesses are at a six times increased risk for maternal death, at a 130 times increased risk for maternal death because of major obstetric hemorrhage and at a 3.1 times increased risk for serious maternal morbidity because of obstetric hemorrhage, compared to the general Dutch population.’

The article highlights how J.W.-women are managed.

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Source: Appeared in the Global Library of Womens medicine

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How Dangerous are Blood Transfusions really?

by TheWonderofYou in

this is a report about the successful implementation of the patientbloodmanagent in germany and prof. zacharowski as well as the business trip of his life with shocking facts about transfusions in his bag.. http://screenart.tv/portfolio/gefaehrliche-bluttransfusionen.

this year 2016 president obama and vice biden awarded german physicians prof. kai zacharowski with humanitarian award for patient safety.

the patient safety movement foundation set the goal to massively reduce the number of preventable deaths of hospital patients worldwide by 2020.

TheWonderofYou

Is it happening regularly that minor children of J.W. who received transfusion after judicial order are given up for adoption? And what is the reason for that.
It cant be simple fear of transfusions .

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Perhaps of further interest in this context:

2 scientific articles in the Journal of medical ethics published from a member of Jehovah's Witnesses Hospital Liaison Committee, Luton, Bedfordshire. D. Malyon (2008)

Quote: our view of blood, and its association with life, goes to the very core of the human psyche.

So we should look here for answer what are the real reasons for prohibiton of transfusion,

Quote: Do six million Jehovah's Witnesses mean what they say? and
quote: What makes J. W. tick?

http://jme.bmj.com/search?author1=D+Malyon&sortspec=date&submit=Submit

Abstracts + downloadable pdf

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2016 annual meeting

by obarac in

just a few minutes till the start ..... we hope for a news from absalom and wifibandit very soon.. wifibandit, any tread on reddit for am?.

also there were some info about live stream.

any news about that..

TheWonderofYou

He's de good brother from the latest broadcast isnt he?

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What is the biggest hypocrisy you have seen as a witness?

by HereIgo in

i have far too many to name, but ill start with obscene music, gambling and cussing like a sailor.

all the while preaching to "worldly people" about their impending death at armageddon.

thoughts?.

TheWonderofYou

The biggest hypocrat I v been aware of was me. E.g. once I donated half of my monthly salary into the donation box - cause of an urgent need to finish the bethel complex that years later has been already purchased - an afterwards I really waited the whole next study with the group that the responsible brother would be aware aware of my sacrifice. What did not happen at all, because I couldnt say that it was me. And if I would tell you the story, am I now a yet bigger hypocrat?
Then I filled up the monthly report with a certain amount of hours that was not done really in the service, but filled with other service like personal bible study, preparation time, driving time, going the way to and back from streetservice, buying food for the snack time an such things to come to the 60 hours. Also I reported that I placed at least 20 % more magazins than in reality to give a good impression. This happened some months until I got a bad concscience and confessed to the elder, what stopped my whole fever in service and lead to many consequences.