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NEWSWEEK: After Ban, Jehovah’s Witnesses in Russia Harassed by Police During Religious Services

by AndersonsInfo in

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http://www.newsweek.com/jehovahs-witnesses-russia-ban-police-589791.

after ban, jehovah’s witnesses in russia harassed by police during religious services.

by jason le miere on 4/25/17 at 4:48 pm .

TheWonderofYou

"do whatever you can and as much as you can under the circumstance"

'As honest and law-abiding citizens what whould they have done immediatly in 2016 after the new anti-terror law in Russia entered into force?

They would have stopped acting against the law, as already mentioned in previous postingst! They would have realized that this state wants to proctect citziens from any danger of terrorism and would have been therefore the first honest and law-abiding people to support the Yarovaja Law, and this exemplarily.

They would have stopped religious evangelization going from house to house and meetings and would have so shown that they dont want to fight against the Russian church or defame it even if they knew that the orthodox church supported the law because it didnt want a foreign funding, because itself doesnt receive a foreign funding or because fundings may be misused by illegal dangerous cults and terrorists. So any financial transactions from abroad would have been stopped immediatley, and no literature with theocratic ministry phantasm would be handed out.

Instead of being honest and law-abiding they fight the law and rouse the internal community against the anti-terror law and instead of being an example of obidience in quick obidience and so helping all the other evangelizing churches they attract attention to evil methods and many complicated marginal dogmas like the theocratic ministry and denial of obidience to the state by propaganda in 2016 on the convention with a video about bunkers and awaitable persecution for meeting after a state forbids to meet.

They waited for the court and that was to less. I dont expect any decision of the european court of justice or human rights would that would be made in some years would impress the Russians. Dont the Britains not also disrespect the Europan Court of Justice already? Russians will certanly not pay compensation like the austrian goverment payed out to JW after the complaint at the European Court of Justice.

Anyway, So they bring much harm with their head-in-the-sand policy and their disobidience to the state.

They are not doing whatever they can and are not obdidient under these circumstances, themselves.

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Russian news article re: financial misdeeds of the WT in Russia

by OrphanCrow in

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the way that the wt conducts business in russia, hiding ownership of property and moving money overseas, was a large factor in the jws falling afoul of the russian authorities.

it wasn't just 'extremist' views that came into play, it was also their handling of money that was illegal.. this article is from a russian news source - i had to use google translate to read it, so i have copied and pasted the whole article (i usually don't...apologies to the author of the article).

if someone has russian language skills, please feel welcome to offer a better translation.. .

TheWonderofYou

In case you may not have read this about the russian anti-terror law.

Therefore also others religions with missionary activities like Mormons, Pentecostals, Baptists and others are under suspiction.

The amendments also include new restrictions on evangelism and missionary work.[8] The amendments add a new provision to Russia's Religion Legislation, stating that "missionary activity" may only be performed "without hindrance" at churches and other religious sites designated by the chapter, and that it is expressly forbidden to perform missionary activities in private residences. "Missionary activity" is defined as "the activity of a religious association, aimed at disseminating information about its beliefs among people who are not participants (members, followers) in that religious association, with the purpose of involving these people as participants (members, followers). It is carried out directly by religious associations or by citizens and/or legal entities authorised by them, publicly, with the help of the media, the internet or other lawful means."[9] Missionary activities may not be used to pursue violations of public safety, "the motivation of citizens to refuse to fulfil their civic duties as established by law and to commit other illegal acts", suicide, or the refusal of medical treatment on religious grounds as aims.[9]
Missionary activities may only be performed by authorized members of registered religious groups and organizations. A group becomes ineligible to perform missionary activities if they have been banned under a court order for practicing extremism or terrorism, or have been liquidated. Foreign missionaries may only perform missionary activities after registering for a permit from a recognized religious organization.[9][10][11][12] Citizens are also required to report unauthorized religious activity to the government or face fines.[10]

forein financing

As early as 2015, a first discriminatory law against certain religious communities had entered into force in Russia. They were asked to reveal their foreign sources of money. If any deadlines are not met, the dissolution is threatened.
Like the controversial law on non-governmental organizations of 2012, the law of 2015 recruited beneficiaries of foreign funds under general suspicion. Such consortia have had to submit a detailed financial report annually. They must also provide information on their management personnel and demonstrate that their activities comply with their statutes.

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Russian news article re: financial misdeeds of the WT in Russia

by OrphanCrow in

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the way that the wt conducts business in russia, hiding ownership of property and moving money overseas, was a large factor in the jws falling afoul of the russian authorities.

it wasn't just 'extremist' views that came into play, it was also their handling of money that was illegal.. this article is from a russian news source - i had to use google translate to read it, so i have copied and pasted the whole article (i usually don't...apologies to the author of the article).

if someone has russian language skills, please feel welcome to offer a better translation.. .

TheWonderofYou

Irina Anatoleyvna Yarovaya is Wladimir Putins combatant and is a deputy chairman of the state Duma and chairman of the State duma committee on security and counter corruption. She is responsible for already over 100 repressive laws in Russia called "Yarovaya laws". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irina_Yarovaya

She is described as fascinating woman with tactic intelligence, cleverness and "perniciousness" and it is sayed that she evokes antiallergic reactions with many women.

Be it the draconic anti-terror laws "Yarovaya Act" which e.g. are allowing arbitrary acts of executive organs and the antievangelism provisions or the Foreign agent law, which regulates tax exemptions for NGOs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yarovaya_Law

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_foreign_agent_law

Even non-violent "extremist" activities - including criticism of the church or the elite - are now punishable by impisonment, as is the not-reporting of crimes, age of criminal responsibilty has been reduced to fourteen years.
Telecom companies are expected to store Internet data and telephone conversations for six months beginning from 2018, while metadata will be stored even for three years, which will make electronic communications more expensive. .... Internetuser are already afaid to express themselves in social networks, parents are afraid of their half-grown children, entrepreneurs are shaking of upcoming checks.

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Your opinion is watchtower extremist?

by poopie in

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court gave 4 reasons you agree disagree.

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In the 16th century puritans were seen as the most "extreme" religions in the world. (not from me, see link below)
Puritan muslim are refering to them and JW as examples of "purify" the their religion, it would be interesting to compare the puritans from 16 centruy with JW, to see who would be more "extreme".

CHRISTIANIY PURIFIED FROM CHRISTMAS

https://www.slideshare.net/momeara8/daily-life-in-puritan-massachusetts

Puritan war against christmas

http://www.historytoday.com/chris-durston/puritan-war-christmas

PURITAN MUSLIM VIEW

‘whoever imitates a people is one of them’1

Link: Christmas and paganisation of christiany - puritan Muslim view

https://www.islam21c.com/theology/173-christmas-and-the-paganisation-of-christianity/

Even though most of the West has immersed itself into the Christmas culture without questioning its origins or pagan connotations, the paganisation of the Christian faith has not gone unnoticed by all, rather we see in the past that Christmas was rejected by many Protestant groups during the 16th century, and in addition, Puritans of 17th century England and America banned the festival of Christmas as pagan. Oliver Cromwell also banned Christmas after the English Civil War due to the belief that it was a pagan belief which encouraged sin and immorality interpolated into the Christian faith. Christians such as Jehovah Witnesses continue to hold beliefs similar to the Puritans and reject the notion of Christmas altogether.
We also find that the process of secularization has caused Christmas in the past few years to lose all remnants of the Christian faith and has made it a secular holiday with paganistic practices.
regardless of the taunts of liberal Muslims and non-Muslims who may call us ‘radicals’ and ‘fundamentalists’. To be fundamental is a part of Islām as ʿĀ’isha (raḍiy Allāhu ʿanha) narrates that the Prophet (sall Allāhu ʿalayhi wa sallam) said ‘Whoever innovates something in this matter of ours (Islām) that is not a part of it will have it rejected

Muslims, by the grace of Allāh, have been afforded a complete way of life which details that which is best and most beneficial for the entire human race.

So much similiarties Wow

OTHER CITATIONS

JW, Mormons - new version of Israelites.

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Russian news article re: financial misdeeds of the WT in Russia

by OrphanCrow in

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the way that the wt conducts business in russia, hiding ownership of property and moving money overseas, was a large factor in the jws falling afoul of the russian authorities.

it wasn't just 'extremist' views that came into play, it was also their handling of money that was illegal.. this article is from a russian news source - i had to use google translate to read it, so i have copied and pasted the whole article (i usually don't...apologies to the author of the article).

if someone has russian language skills, please feel welcome to offer a better translation.. .

TheWonderofYou

Does it shock me?

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New JW Talk Show - "The Inside Story"

by neat blue dog in

has anybody seen the new half-hour jw talk show called the inside story?

the pilot is included in part 2 of the latest gilead graduation program, and they said more will likely come.. basically, it's probably one of the most cringeworthy programs to ever come out of jw broadcasting.

it has all the tropes: an opening monologue, a studio audience, a live band, and guests that move down the couch to the left as the next guest is introduced.

TheWonderofYou

Seen this thread?

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5733164012011520/what-hell

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"Wiener Bluttage" - Expert meeting in Austria discussing Patient Blood Management

by TheWonderofYou in

experts meet at the "wiener bluttage" (vienna blood-days) from 20.-22nd april 2017.. wasn' "wiener blut" composed by johann strauss?.

https://www.pressetext.com/news/20170420026.

anesthesiologists, emergency physicians, surgeons and blood bank employees will discuss the topics of transfusion medicine, "patient blood management (pbm)" will be payed special attention.

TheWonderofYou

Patient Blood Management - Statement of the Platform Blood

(http://www.wienerbluttage.at/)

It is a recognized fact that the administration of foreign blood and foreign blood products has disadvantages and risks for the patient. In this sense, great efforts have been made in recent years which have led to a significant reduction in the consumption of foreign blood.

These successes, achieved by selective improvements, such as logistics, training of physicians and improvements in the monitoring of a lower hemoglobin level, are almost exhausted. A drastic improvement in the future requires a team-adapted and individual solution for each patient. Just as one can already speak of the beginning of a personalized cancer therapy, this should also apply to the patient-adapted foreign blood prevention program. Thus, it would be considered as optimal, a patient would be assigned an operation term only if his organism had been prepared for the procedure as best as possible, and not - as is currently customary - the operative term as a controlling factor dominates all other considerations.

This procedure, referred to as Patient Blood Management (patient-oriented blood-care), consists of a number of building blocks, which interrelate or complement one another. At the time of the procedure, the patient should have a good blood count and an unimpaired blood clotting, and to a perioperative organization that aims at the least possible loss of blood.

However, this requires the cooperation of many individual subjects and areas, which range from surgical nurses or institutions, through medical technology, to patients undergoing surgery, as well as surgical and anesthesiological measures, to safe aftercare. Here are a few points:

Established area:

Anemia detection and treatment

Avoiding the medication of anaeminating drugs (e.g., coagulation inhibitors but also medications for the reduction of stomach acid, antibiotics, antidepressants etc.)

Collection of a standardized coagulation profile

Improvement of cardiac resilience

Lung training (for example, in case of maxillary and thoracic operations)

Actual need to evaluate platelet aggregation inhibition or anticoagulation

Medical Technology:

CellSaver

Minasampling (restrictive blood sampling for laboratory tests)

Development of blood-saving techniques in surgery

Surgery:

Use of blood-sparing surgical procedures

Surgical and anesthesiological. Competence Centers

Normothermia

Use of anesthesia techniques that save blood

Hospital:

Selection of appropriate procedures or patients

Point-of-care coagulation diagnostics

Continuous technology evaluation and renewal

Well trained and experienced staff

Sufficient monitoring possibilities to be able to postpone the transfusion as long as possible

Use of alternative medicinal products (such as iron preparations, erythropoietin, vitamin K, etc.) instead of labile + stable blood products

All o.a. Points and a few more have proved their worth for a long time and are implemented individually. A management that every patient receives the necessary and sensible measures is still missing, which leads to unnecessary and expensive foreign blood transfusion on the one hand, and the wrong use of expensive methods on the other hand. Each patient needs an individually defined concept, which should be done when and how, so that a foreign blood delivery can be avoided. The Blut platform would like to call this organizational project into a perioperative concept in the Austrian health system.

From today's point of view, the foreign blood transfusion will continue to play a standard role in our medical life for many years to come because one of the transfusion of equivalent synthetic substitutes will not be available for a long time. However, the use of foreign blood should be used as rarely as possible and replaced as far as possible by safer alternatives. We call on all Austrian health care providers to raise this treatment concept in Austria as a medical standard.

The platform blood

(Dr. Christian Cebulla

Doz. DDr. Robert Fitzgerald

Univ.-Prof. Dr. Paul Höcker

OA Dr. Peter Perger)

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Are there 'ultra strict' congregations?

by jambon1 in

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when i studied as a young adult, it was in one of those congregations.

having viewed the religion as a quaint little band of christians it conpletely dumbfounded me when i was told about such rules as 1 - no beards.

2 - you must wear a suit to meetings and while giving a talk.

TheWonderofYou

Give them freedom and they start wearing uniforms, shirts and skirts. Today morning I drove by an adventist church in the town, there they also these business suits.

Each strict business has a strict dress code!

Since I have left JW I have never put on a suit ever with joy. They are overdone and look much better at women.

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Why Were the Anabaptists Not Chosen by Jesus in 1919?

by berrygerry in

wt acknowledges their lack of neutrality during ww1, and previously stated that this was followed by a period of refining.

however, they were still the one group that far-and-away were the only ones that were practicing first-century christianity the most closely, as well as being the only group trying to do so.. interesting read about the hutterites ( http://www.ubcpress.ca/books/pdf/chapters/courtsandcolonies/chapterone.pdf ).

, especially this quote about ww1:.

TheWonderofYou

Because the chosen ones were already predestinated long before in the eternity short after men were created or short after they have been thought up in gods yet unbegrimed mind and god could not change his mind continously considering hundreds of splittergroups because he had to precision-grind the release of Rutherford from jail and to finish the great multitude arrangement as well as a publishing house.

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A POEM (inspired by Bullwinkle Moose)

by TerryWalstrom in

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flowers___________flowers don't have legs, and cannot run about.

flowers simply never make a fist.. flowers do not whisper, and they seldom ever shout, flowers will not put you on their list.__.

dahlias don’t pay income tax or drive a maserati.

TheWonderofYou

Nice.