Posts by TheWonderofYou

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Study Watchtower confirms shunning spiritually weak. How nice!

by Isambard Crater in

it really hurt to hear brothers and sisters commenting about this at the meeting yesterday.. "as in solomon’s case, one of the greatest threats to spirituality is friendship with those who do not understand or respect jehovah’s standards.

some may be associated with the congregation but may be spiritually weak.

others could be relatives, neighbors, coworkers, or schoolmates who are not worshippers of jehovah.

TheWonderofYou

A spiritually weak person = looser in the game: one who thinks yet for himself and doesn't everything what Mr Madwick desires. One who needs to feel shame for not being strong and not being a line. One who needs to be exposed publicly in the publication and through rebuke by exposers who only work with him for the purpose to change him, so that he is not a danger for the strong, to whom he is a permanent harm.and warning: never let me be like her/him

A strong minded : one who gave up own goals and totally agrees, who doesn't allow own goals to mix up with Mr Madwicks goals, nor does she/he allow herself to doubt anymore, nor does she he tolerate weak ones any more,cause being strong is cooler. Always on the platform, pulling, pushing, bullying. The player, the masked one with cynical insight, the Aaarrgghh guy., the awkward one who goes so far and exposes the weak one, proofes the weak one's testimoniaks and judges about her goals, because he has the might. (Org guy)

Strength is then positive, if it is true strength, true greatness, genuine love.

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The "Faithful And Discreet Slave Class" is it still a Doctrine / Belief ? of Jehovah`s Witnesses today ? 2018 ? or is it old light.

by smiddy3 in

i have listened to steven unthank`s podcast and found it very informative and interesting and thought i would ask this question for anyone who is still a practicing member either a pimo or a pomo who only goes along for a family member ,whether this doctrine is still a part of the religions teachings ,or whether it has been dropped altogether .. your replies are much appreciated ..

TheWonderofYou

Funny quotes from the Sixties

" awake world-watchman, the “slave” class" haha.

"The facts show that during this time and up to the present hour the “slave” class has served as God’s sole collective channel for the flow of Biblical truth to men on earth" .channel for the flow....channel for the flow. ...haha

"through this unique channel actually as a miraculous evidence of the operation of holy spirit". Haha.

So, aside from the awake remnant of the “slave” class, all others of mankind were found to be spiritually asleep up to 1931. They were all fatally heading for Armageddon’s destruction. By 1931 the Catholic, Protestant and Jewish clergy were snoring in even deeper spiritual slumber than prior to 1914. Not an awake watchman among them.

in 1918, the remnant of the slave class was cleansed from worldly and religious defilement.

hahahaha.

follow the awake “faithful and discreet slave” class Your happiness now and in the future new world depend upon your working with the remnant

However identufication of collective FDS as remnant class has disappeared.

Now it's only a composite slave. But not any longer "class.

What anyhow remains is the

"bride class, lazarus class, anointed class, rich man-class, the goat class, sheep class, kings daughter class Jeremiah class phhhhhh

Short the class is the whole, the slave is the spiritual leader feeding... a kind of "upper class" not to mix up with gilead class.

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The "Faithful And Discreet Slave Class" is it still a Doctrine / Belief ? of Jehovah`s Witnesses today ? 2018 ? or is it old light.

by smiddy3 in

i have listened to steven unthank`s podcast and found it very informative and interesting and thought i would ask this question for anyone who is still a practicing member either a pimo or a pomo who only goes along for a family member ,whether this doctrine is still a part of the religions teachings ,or whether it has been dropped altogether .. your replies are much appreciated ..

TheWonderofYou

In the late 18th century, the term "class" began to replace classifications such as estates, rank and orders as the primary means of organizing society into hierarchical divisions. This corresponded to a general decrease in significance ascribed to hereditary characteristics and increase in the significance of wealth and income as indicators of position in the social hierarchy.

Class is not a biblical term. So it had to cease after It got outdated. It was useful in its time to mobilise the rank and file and call it great crowd Class followers of the remnant or bride class.

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J.W.Sisters are not recognized as part of the 144000 Anointed class by the Governing Body of Jehovah`s Witnesses and never have been.

by smiddy3 in

rev.14: 1-6 describes the 144000 as males who do not defile themselves with women and are classed as virgins.?.

how does the governing body of j.w.`s explain that a man having a sexual relationship with a woman defiles a man?.

isn`t this or shouldn`t this be an affront to women who are jehovah`s witnesses ?

TheWonderofYou

Gods mouthpiece said:

And this holds true also in the way Jehovah selects those who are to be associated with his Son in the Kingdom government. How thankful the great crowd of other sheep can be that faithful women, such as Jesus’ mother Mary, Mary Magdalene, Priscilla, Tryphaena, Tryphosa, and a host of others IN THE EARLY Christian congregation (NOTE: not today) now share in the Kingdom rule, enriching that government with their intimate understanding of the feelings and experiences of womenfolk! What loving foresight and wisdom on Jehovah’s part"

as well as

These all must receive a change of nature at their resurrection, being made partakers together of “divine nature,” in which state none will be women, for there is no female sex among spirit creatures, sex being God’s means for reproduction of earthly creature

Jehovahs heavenly women ip-2 223-224 have no female sex, so the husbandly owner will change the sex of women into male to mix them up into the divine nature.

But how can the no resureccted male-women have further the same intimate feelings in exectuing the kingdom rule governance, if they are not any longer women?. Wouldnt such trans-women who are ruling with Christ in the Rulership be to nice, to caring and to compassionate and compete with the male-sex rulers, who are also called "heavenly woman" funnily enought also they are male? What is better a women-attitude or a male-attitude in kingdom governance?

But obvioulsy the are only enriching the male governance (womenfolk), but not deciding what men will do, they will further subordinate themselves under the male rulership, which is only called "heavenly woman", to play a kind of love to the great crowd, a love that will not really be reflected in the rulership of the princes in the new system/world. How could the womenfolk ever decide?

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Happy Ethiopian New Year

by SonoftheTrinity in

never giving up the ethiopian orthodox faith and its joyous holidays for a publishing company gone bonkers.

i love everything about being orthodox christian.

my wife can stay or leave..

TheWonderofYou

Happy New Year.

Jesus and today's Jews also celebrate new year from 9 th - 11 September.

It's a big festival called Rish ha Shannah.

The festival is about trumpets and rapture. About a new beginning And the coming of the lord

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Amway founder dead at 92

by neat blue dog in

https://www.snopes.com/ap/2018/09/06/amway-founder-magic-owner-richard-devos-dies-age-92/.

i've heard people say amway was a little culty for a business, and reminded them of jws in some ways.

i'm not familiar with amway myself, can anybody here elaborate?.

TheWonderofYou

Certainly this scheme will survive. I had two encounters. In both cases I was suddenly invited in private homes, where I got a lot of upbuilding information about successful and happy life.

One person had a good job and a beautiful loft. The other lived in a little one and told me of his big house at a lake he has built in Hungary where it was cheaper. They wanted to appear sucessful.

Both guys were rhetoric genius . It was an experience like, if you not begin to work for a Amway you are completely ignoring reality of life. It was really hard to say okay, I got it, thanks. Can we talk about something else? It was really hard to say goodby, eithout looking stupid, if I not joined or wanted further contact. He gave me his card. I was jobless and looked for a job.

This happened after JW and gladly I read about Amway in an info at the commercial chamber,.that it was a certain business scheme.

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Interpretation often takes you away from truth

by Ireneus in

yesterday, my classmate was giving an example from her homeland on how people can give various interpretations which have nothing to do with truth.

though studying in the us, she was closely monitoring what was happening in kerala (a small southern state of india), her birth place.

last month saw unprecedent heavy rains wreaking widespread havoc in this small state with huge population (which is much more than australia’s population).

TheWonderofYou

Do you mean that for 45 million pilgrims there is only one temple in Sabarimala?

Pilgrims

A prayer for Ayya.

https://www.outlookindia.com/magazine/story/a-prayer-for-ayya/236222

I dont understand how it can be "attractive" for women to fight for their right to go to exactly this one temple,

that is overcrowded under the deluge and in a desastrous state.

Garbage—empty bottles, plastic packets, leftovers and what have you—is routinely dumped into the river. However, the main source of contamination is the "overflow from latrines" that line the steep terrain along the riverbanks. Even at the sanctum sanctorum, the sewerage drains into a part of the hillock and gets washed downstream into the Njunangar rivulet that joins the Pampa.

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Australia Yahoo news

by gabcol in

i just found this on yahoo news australia : .

a jehovah’s witness girl may be forced to receive a blood transfusion against her will this weekend when she gives birth in melbourne.. mercy hospital victoria was granted supreme court authority on friday to give the girl blood as a “last resort” if she suffers a postpartum haemorrhage when induced into labour on sunday afternoon.

the 17-year-old first-time mother is considered to be at increased risk of haemorrhaging because she is of “small stature” and the baby is large, meaning she may have a long labour, an assisted birth or an emergency caesarean.. jehovah’s witnesses forbid followers from receiving blood transfusions or blood products.. the risk to the baby from the mother refusing blood is considered low.. view photos.

TheWonderofYou

Any news about today?

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Who wrote the Bible?

by Ireneus in

the wordings suggest much of the bible is written by false friends of god.

to mention a few:.

1) god planted a special tree to pay the way for suffering and death into the lives of his children.. 2) god protected cain who murdered his innocent brother out of sheer jealousy.

TheWonderofYou

Many stories in the bible are simply the salt in the soup. What they believed in ancient time - the notion of God and universe - was a reflection to own experiences and accoglomeration of existing ideas - can't be our notion.

When a gospel writer wrote down the oral traditions or ranscripted an existing written story about Jesus in which e.g. Jesus once mentioned Noahs flood and compared that time with the end time in the future, this wasconly the salt in the soup of this comparison but not factual history.

Jesus used a hyperbole like Brother Lett when he spoke of paintbrushes that's it. A good story needs a hyperbole that is not true at all but arouses attention to the speaker

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Did the jw's leadership ever apologize for 1975?

by dugout in

jw
friends

talking to my friend who's an elder, when i asked him did the leadership ever attempt to apologize for the 1975 prediction fiasco he said they did.

and he was going to show me.

i'm still waiting..................................................tic toc did they???

TheWonderofYou

The official chanel about information of JW " WOL " admits that there were "perhaps" + "exaggerated" + " ecpectations"

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1101993009#h=72:0-72:714

In the years following 1966, many of Jehovah’s Witnesses acted in harmony with the spirit of that counsel. However, other statements were published on this subject, and some were likely more definite than advisable. This was acknowledged in The Watchtower of March 15, 1980 (page 17). But Jehovah’s Witnesses were also cautioned to concentrate mainly on doing Jehovah’s will and not to be swept up by dates and expectations of an early salvation.*

This is referring to a W from 1980 where

Wt 1980: "
There were statements made then, and thereafter, stressing that this was only a possibility. Unfortunately, however, along with such cautionary information, there were other statements published that implied that such realization of hopes by that year was more of a probability than a mere possibility.

It is to be regretted that these latter statements apparently overshadowed the cautionary ones and contributed to a buildup of the expectation already initiated."

This is it, the regret of 1980. That was it. But now we live in a time in which this is forgotten and they teach a lie namely that only the "WEAK ONES" followed the extremist course and sold their homes and so forth, that the wise would have been cautionary, while the Watchtower itself produced DUPLICITY.!

The comments about Franz show that there they talked with 2 tongues, once they gave advise not to believe in a fast salvation, then they created a hype. This is unexcusable for Mr. Franz.

At the convention held in Baltimore, Maryland, F. W. Franz gave the concluding talk. He began by saying: “Just before I got on the platform a young man came to me and said, ‘Say, what does this 1975 mean?’” Brother Franz then referred to the many questions that had arisen as to whether the material in the new book meant that by 1975 Armageddon would be finished, and Satan would be bound. He stated, in essence: ‘It could. But we are not saying. All things are possible with God. But we are not saying. And don’t any of you be specific in saying anything that is going to happen between now and 1975. But the big point of it all is this, dear friends: Time is short. Time is running out, no question about that.’