Posts by TheWonderofYou

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THE PROBLEM with reading the Bible literally is . . . you can't think too hard

by Terry in

i want to begin with a quotation by stephen colbert: "we're not talking about truth, we're talking about something that seems like truth the truth we want to exist" - stephen colbert on the origin of the word "truthiness.".

moses brought 10 plagues upon egypt to change pharoah's mind about letting jehovah's people go.. the 5th plague is to destroy only the egyptian livestock:.

6 and the next day the lord did it: all the livestock of the egyptians died, but not one animal belonging to the israelites died.. a few days later the 7th plague is described:.

TheWonderofYou

Me too, i sometimes like to understand a Bibel phrase literally, it is a kind of romanticism, an emotional appeal of a phrase,
but I always think about the context.

Perhaps those people did never read a scientific explanation

- about what is "modern and correct interpretation"

- about responsible methods of literary analysis that is done by our scholars worldwide.

- about all the rethorical, narrativ, semiotic, canonical, jewish tradiional, historical influence, sociological, cultural , psychological, liberationist, feminist approaches. (Thousands of researchers are acutally working on all these subjects doing an interesting job)

- about the difference between a responsible "literal" and not merely a naively literalist interpretation".

Perhaps we can help them if they read the appended document.

"The Interpretation of the Bible in the Church" presented by the Pontifical Biblical Commission

Under item F. you find fundamentalism.

http://www.deiverbum2005.org/Interpretation/interpretation_e.pdf

Excpert "F. Fundamentalist Interpretation
Fundamentalist interpretation starts from the principle that the Bible, being the Word of God, inspired and
free from error, should be read and interpreted literally in all its details. But by "literal interpretation" it
understands a naively literalist interpretation, one, that...."

Greetings

TWOY

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New Arrangement for Donations: What should it be called?

by Da.Furious in

following from a post by neverendingjourney.

we should come up with a new name for this arrangement.

feel free to post your ideas!.

TheWonderofYou

I did not follow all postings about this fund raising for the future world and beautiful kingdom hall all over the world.

I read that the permanent flow of money has to be garantueed and this would be stabilization of income.

What for? As an security to get some loan or bond, i dont know.

But if it so then which bank is the beneficary the usufrucuturay of that permanent flowing income?

I would like to know this Bank that gives this BORG the live insurance for all things.

Let us make a photo of this bank house and let us speak with them and confront them with the reality.

LOL

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by TheWonderofYou in

must-read: bible-translation was a hard work already in the 4th century!

correspondence of augustine (bishop of hippo) and jerome (a very famous scholar in scriptural study) concerning the latin translation of the bible by jerome (vulgate" =commonly used translation) 394 a.d. (jerome had previously translated from the septuagint, but after 390 he began to translate direct from the hebrew )for my part, i would much rather that you would furnish us with a translation of the greek version of the canonical scriptures known as the work of the seventy translators.

for if your translation begins to be more generally read in many churches, it will be a grievous thing that, in the reading of scripture, differences must arise between the latin churches and the greek churches, especially seeing that the discrepancy is easily condemned in a latin version by the production of the original in greek, which is a language very widely known; whereas, if any one has been disturbed by the occurrence of something to which he was not accustomed in the translation taken from the hebrew, and alleges that the new translation is wrong, it will be found difficult, if not impossible, to get at the hebrew documents by which the version to which exception is taken may be defended.

TheWonderofYou

Must-Read: Bible-Translation was a hard work already in the 4 th century!

Correspondence of Augustine (bishop of Hippo) and Jerome (a very famous scholar in scriptural study) concerning the Latin Translation of the Bible by Jerome (“Vulgate" =commonly used translation”) 394 A.D. (Jerome had previously translated from the Septuagint, but after 390 he began to translate direct from the Hebrew )

“ For my part, I would much rather that you would furnish us with a translation of the Greek version of the canonical Scriptures known as the work of the Seventy translators. For if your translation begins to be more generally read in many churches, it will be a grievous thing that, in the reading of Scripture, differences must arise between the Latin Churches and the Greek Churches, especially seeing that the discrepancy is easily condemned in a Latin version by the production of the original in Greek, which is a language very widely known; whereas, if any one has been disturbed by the occurrence of something to which he was not accustomed in the translation taken from the Hebrew, and alleges that the new translation is wrong, it will be found difficult, if not impossible, to get at the Hebrew documents by which the version to which exception is taken may be defended. And when they are obtained, who will submit, to have so many Latin and Greek authorities pronounced to be in the wrong? Besides all this, Jews, if consulted as to the meaning of the Hebrew text, may give a different opinion from yours: in which case it will seem as if your presence were indispensable, as being the only one who could refute their view; and it would be a miracle if one could be found capable of acting as arbiter between you and them.” [Seventy translators = Septuaginta]

Excert from …... more http://www.bible-researcher.com/vulgate2.html

Here a view into this old bibletranslation of the old testament into latin online with English Translation

Latin – english http://vulgate.org/

About Jerome:

http://vulgate.org/jerome/index.htm " when he spoke, they were all thought to be dumb"

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New Testament Manuscript Study Papyrus Images and NA 28 Online

by TheWonderofYou in

interested in online resources for new testament?

nt and od is the antique book with.

the most documentated available manuscripts.

TheWonderofYou

Interested in Online resources for New Testament? NT and OD is the antique book with
the most documentated available manuscripts.

Can you explain the difference between the Textus receputs, the textus majority and the critical text to a laymen?

example: http://www.tbsbibles.org/articles/what-todays-christian-needs-to-know-about-the-greek-new-testament

The latest critical text is Nestle Alland NT 28 even online. - http://www.nestle-aland.com/en/home/

What is the latest textus receptus in english?

What the latest textus majority in english?

What are the major text variants in the New Testament?

Example . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_major_textual_variants_in_the_New_Testament

Which online - sources do you trust?

example http://www.bible-researcher.com/

Where do find online images of the bible manuscripts?

example http: //www.csntm.org/

Somebody interested in helping me putting together a reliable overview for laymen and to

strenghen our confidence in the Bible?

TWOY

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THE PROBLEM with reading the Bible literally is . . . you can't think too hard

by Terry in

i want to begin with a quotation by stephen colbert: "we're not talking about truth, we're talking about something that seems like truth the truth we want to exist" - stephen colbert on the origin of the word "truthiness.".

moses brought 10 plagues upon egypt to change pharoah's mind about letting jehovah's people go.. the 5th plague is to destroy only the egyptian livestock:.

6 and the next day the lord did it: all the livestock of the egyptians died, but not one animal belonging to the israelites died.. a few days later the 7th plague is described:.

TheWonderofYou

Here a critial comment to Prof. Ehrman

http://www.bible-researcher.com/ehrman1.html

.. In short, he expects his readers to be scandalized by the fact that education is necessary. In matters of religion, this seems inadmissible to him, because it implies an inequality of knowledge. ...

.... And we have good reason to think that Ehrman himself does not believe that the original text is unknowable, because he is surely one of the most opinionated scholars now living. He rarely expresses any uncertainty about the original reading of any text that he brings under discussion. He evidently believes that he knows what the original text said, with few exceptions, even where other scholars strongly disagree with him. The real problem is, he does not accept the truth of the words that he knows to be authentic. His failure to believe them has really nothing to do with any uncertainty about the original words.

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THE PROBLEM with reading the Bible literally is . . . you can't think too hard

by Terry in

i want to begin with a quotation by stephen colbert: "we're not talking about truth, we're talking about something that seems like truth the truth we want to exist" - stephen colbert on the origin of the word "truthiness.".

moses brought 10 plagues upon egypt to change pharoah's mind about letting jehovah's people go.. the 5th plague is to destroy only the egyptian livestock:.

6 and the next day the lord did it: all the livestock of the egyptians died, but not one animal belonging to the israelites died.. a few days later the 7th plague is described:.

TheWonderofYou

In this talk he says "I did not further believe that god inspired the orginals because I was sure he had not preserved the orgininal."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C92_JrS-ZPs

That is nothing new for a profound scholar at all. Other scholars say he doesnt even touch the real problems of authenicity.(internet)
But I personally know anything about him. The church says: "Bible is erroreus, although it is inspired" since many many years.
You should read other books about the subject.

For me he is a propagandist.

Greetings TWOY.

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THE PROBLEM with reading the Bible literally is . . . you can't think too hard

by Terry in

i want to begin with a quotation by stephen colbert: "we're not talking about truth, we're talking about something that seems like truth the truth we want to exist" - stephen colbert on the origin of the word "truthiness.".

moses brought 10 plagues upon egypt to change pharoah's mind about letting jehovah's people go.. the 5th plague is to destroy only the egyptian livestock:.

6 and the next day the lord did it: all the livestock of the egyptians died, but not one animal belonging to the israelites died.. a few days later the 7th plague is described:.

TheWonderofYou

Catolic church only says: You dont have to study the manusscripts, do dont have to study the bible,

you shall have a realtionship with Jesus. That is enough. hmmm.

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THE PROBLEM with reading the Bible literally is . . . you can't think too hard

by Terry in

i want to begin with a quotation by stephen colbert: "we're not talking about truth, we're talking about something that seems like truth the truth we want to exist" - stephen colbert on the origin of the word "truthiness.".

moses brought 10 plagues upon egypt to change pharoah's mind about letting jehovah's people go.. the 5th plague is to destroy only the egyptian livestock:.

6 and the next day the lord did it: all the livestock of the egyptians died, but not one animal belonging to the israelites died.. a few days later the 7th plague is described:.

TheWonderofYou

Here a link to a radio discussion between Prof. Ehrmann and Peter Williams

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfN0MaJyj0U

Many other videos with Prof. Ehrmann.

Greetings.

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THE PROBLEM with reading the Bible literally is . . . you can't think too hard

by Terry in

i want to begin with a quotation by stephen colbert: "we're not talking about truth, we're talking about something that seems like truth the truth we want to exist" - stephen colbert on the origin of the word "truthiness.".

moses brought 10 plagues upon egypt to change pharoah's mind about letting jehovah's people go.. the 5th plague is to destroy only the egyptian livestock:.

6 and the next day the lord did it: all the livestock of the egyptians died, but not one animal belonging to the israelites died.. a few days later the 7th plague is described:.

TheWonderofYou

Here a link to a radio discussion between Prof. Ehrmann and Peter Williams

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfN0MaJyj0U

Many other videos with Prof. Ehrmann.

Greetings.

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THE PROBLEM with reading the Bible literally is . . . you can't think too hard

by Terry in

i want to begin with a quotation by stephen colbert: "we're not talking about truth, we're talking about something that seems like truth the truth we want to exist" - stephen colbert on the origin of the word "truthiness.".

moses brought 10 plagues upon egypt to change pharoah's mind about letting jehovah's people go.. the 5th plague is to destroy only the egyptian livestock:.

6 and the next day the lord did it: all the livestock of the egyptians died, but not one animal belonging to the israelites died.. a few days later the 7th plague is described:.

TheWonderofYou

Jesus never ordered the apostels to write down his words. We can be happy that at least some of them were educated enough to write down
the gospels, they are errorneus collected stories and letters. But discovering that stories you know acutally what the guys felt in the first century in their heart and undertand that everything is communicated without big errors. Thank you lord that you blessed your apostels anyway, although you not ordered them to do write down anythin and that you sent them the paracletos that helped and assistent them.

The special thanks for the bible goes thus to......the church, who else could decide which scriptures were worthy to be read in all congretations and should be transcripted, translated and copied, what was a very expensive hobby for such fantastic stories in the ancient time. So unreliable the bible could not be, if you consider that the founders of our church payed with their lifes, what they wrote down.

Sincerly TWOY