99.9 we have an internal alert system to protect victims of child abuse. other congregations are informed in lighning-speed about potential offenders, no other group has it, victims are asked if they not encouraged the offenders to avoid further stress.
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Proof they are not a cult??
by lriddle80 inthe following is from a facebook post and..maybe i am missing something, but none of these items disprove them being in a cult.
jehovah's witnesses are often mistaken to be something else.
some say it a secret cult while others believe something else.......i'm very proud to tell you my readers that i'm one of jehovah's witnesses.. below are 17 facts that shows jehovah's witness is not a cult..... 1. there are currently about 8 million jehovah's witnesses around the world.. 2. an average of over 800 people become jehovah's witnesses daily.. 3. we keep coming to your doors even though we have regular jobs and family like you because we are admonished to do so by jesus christ.. 4. we do not participate in wars and for this reason more than 1600 jehovah's witnesses were killed by hitler.. 5. there are currently over 300 jehovah's witnesses in prison in south korea and egypt because they refused to stop preaching or enlist in the military.. 6. we don't salute the flag or say national anthems because we pledge our allegiance only to god.. 7. yes we have fun and party too so don't get that twisted.. 8. not many of us know the name of the president of our headquarters because we do not pay any reference to him he is a fellow servant of god just like the rest of us are.. 9. you earn the privilege of becoming a jehovah's witness.
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Proof they are not a cult??
by lriddle80 inthe following is from a facebook post and..maybe i am missing something, but none of these items disprove them being in a cult.
jehovah's witnesses are often mistaken to be something else.
some say it a secret cult while others believe something else.......i'm very proud to tell you my readers that i'm one of jehovah's witnesses.. below are 17 facts that shows jehovah's witness is not a cult..... 1. there are currently about 8 million jehovah's witnesses around the world.. 2. an average of over 800 people become jehovah's witnesses daily.. 3. we keep coming to your doors even though we have regular jobs and family like you because we are admonished to do so by jesus christ.. 4. we do not participate in wars and for this reason more than 1600 jehovah's witnesses were killed by hitler.. 5. there are currently over 300 jehovah's witnesses in prison in south korea and egypt because they refused to stop preaching or enlist in the military.. 6. we don't salute the flag or say national anthems because we pledge our allegiance only to god.. 7. yes we have fun and party too so don't get that twisted.. 8. not many of us know the name of the president of our headquarters because we do not pay any reference to him he is a fellow servant of god just like the rest of us are.. 9. you earn the privilege of becoming a jehovah's witness.
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We are under the most persecuted and politically suppressed religions worldwide.
We have fought for the religious rights and human rights for all people at countless supreme courts
We went volunterily to the concentration camps for conscientious objection.
We protect our children from influeneces of negative moral like pornography.
We protect our children from dangerous cults and traditions like the grampus or woodo
Our modest outfit and reasonablenees as well as education in the magazins protects our young ones from being victims of abuse
our assemblies are the most secure places in the world
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Proof they are not a cult??
by lriddle80 inthe following is from a facebook post and..maybe i am missing something, but none of these items disprove them being in a cult.
jehovah's witnesses are often mistaken to be something else.
some say it a secret cult while others believe something else.......i'm very proud to tell you my readers that i'm one of jehovah's witnesses.. below are 17 facts that shows jehovah's witness is not a cult..... 1. there are currently about 8 million jehovah's witnesses around the world.. 2. an average of over 800 people become jehovah's witnesses daily.. 3. we keep coming to your doors even though we have regular jobs and family like you because we are admonished to do so by jesus christ.. 4. we do not participate in wars and for this reason more than 1600 jehovah's witnesses were killed by hitler.. 5. there are currently over 300 jehovah's witnesses in prison in south korea and egypt because they refused to stop preaching or enlist in the military.. 6. we don't salute the flag or say national anthems because we pledge our allegiance only to god.. 7. yes we have fun and party too so don't get that twisted.. 8. not many of us know the name of the president of our headquarters because we do not pay any reference to him he is a fellow servant of god just like the rest of us are.. 9. you earn the privilege of becoming a jehovah's witness.
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18. We are preaching the good news with the latest multimedia techniques and possess the coolest bible study aids like JW bread-cast, WOLibraray, specialized educational tools in Braille and for minority languages as well as our conventions, with which we finance a lot.
19. Although we are also imperfect and err we try to apologize and always correct our ways and teachings as soon we learn that something doesnt fit.
20. We have an theorically unmanageable large number of legal entities who nevertheless all follow one direction under one lord and one faith.
21. We have the best renovations program for halls and place of worship.
22. We have relief programs and are able to organise fast international help.
23. We have the most beautiful religious headquarter of all religions, it was built although it looked like the town government wouldnt give the allowance for the project, because it was unbelievable what we tried.
24. We are supporting a health system that protects peoples right to avoid blood that is dangerous.
25. Our education of children is the best because it relies on principle that are proofed by the bible. Our mothers are mostly with the children and dont work because they have part time job.
26. Going from house to house and in the street service we try to help people if they need help.
27. Our leaders are not idle and proud but take themselves part in the preaching and donate money from the little compensation that they receive for their service for others who need help.
28. We have a worldwide network of lawyers with which we are able to support implementation of human rights for religious minorites. We are assisting the UN-Human rights activities and the European OSCE work for peace and security because we are the best citizens one can imagine.
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Jehovah's Witnesses Knocking at my Front Door
by Richlist ini have jw's knocking on my door about 4 times a year.
they walk along the whole street knocking on all the properties trying to hand out leaflets about god.. i always engage them in conversation.
my street has a very large number of oap's who could really do with some extra help.....grass cutting, shopping, cleaning, help around the house, gardening, diy etc.. never once have i been able to persuade any jw's to do something worthwhile for these residents.. i'm left with the thought that jw's don't want to do anything really worthwhile for these people.......why ?.
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"the good news is proclaimed to the poor".
How it works: If you come to us you get many friends and you will really enjoy your life, by living much simplier and much poor than now and then you will get an appointement to serve voluntarily and unpaid to proclaim this message to other poor. The poor are ready to give from what the dont have, thats the strength of the poor.
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Breaking news: Islamic Terrorist Attack in Stockholm Sweden involving stolen truck, 3 gunmen on the loose!
by kpop intime to break out the facebook filters, #hastags, candles, vigils and sing "we are the world!
" one day, one day, with enough #hashtags and scented candles we'll stop those annoying terrorists!.
https://twitter.com/newsthissecond/status/850334044042792960.
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A talk by Hamed at Technical University Hamburg. English subtitles
"Repeating the mantra: That's got nothing to do with the Islam. It has everything to do with Islam. Period."
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subject like: Government should not allow the islamic organisations to overtake the whole integration,( they want money from state for that) education, pastoral care, charity, islamic banking, dietary requirments in schools an at the work,...it starts with halal meet, hijab discussion, girl not go go to swimming lessions or music lessions ....
In finnish schools muslim children not allowed to attend music lessons, parents dont want that, but they stay in the class, but they get headphones with quoran recitations, so it starts and there is not stop.
because there is no sharia light.
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Breaking news: Islamic Terrorist Attack in Stockholm Sweden involving stolen truck, 3 gunmen on the loose!
by kpop intime to break out the facebook filters, #hastags, candles, vigils and sing "we are the world!
" one day, one day, with enough #hashtags and scented candles we'll stop those annoying terrorists!.
https://twitter.com/newsthissecond/status/850334044042792960.
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Mr. Hamid is an political scientist, author and islam-critic. He was in his youth at a seminar of muslim brotherhood, but he left. He and his family lives with police protection. Speeking publicly he has to wear bulletproof vest. He lives in Germany. Egyptians threatened him.
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Red Alert - Propaganda is Being Used!!!!!!!!
by The Searcher incheck out the latest watchtower:.
"your defense?
be determined to stick to jehovah’s organization and loyally support the leadership he provides—no matter what imperfections may surface.
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Well, apostates are not the big problem any longer, now everybody awaits to hear of some gossip or embarrassment or even scandal, of some chilling, thrilling, dirty no-matter-what -affairs. Its not about stubborness, simple errors, no, no far wrong.
Yeah, now the time comes, when krass imperfection will appear soon clearly on the surface. It will hit us unpresedentedly and unawaitedly. It could even be spiritual "foooornication", cognisance, complicity ... slowly but inevitable the watchtower prophesized it will appear on the surface.
If the watchtower says "may surface" it is quite certain or is it not!
Its judgmentment time, cleansing time in gods house full of imperfection, now its time to confess, admit and repent hahaha.
the judicial committees will get crowed - overcrowded. The system of hearings and repetance may even collaps There one's loyality will be proved.
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We Pass the Bread and the Wine Just like in the Bible! But, why is forbidden to eat?
by lusitano o tuga insee what bridget azaz did!.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzbe5yo7uq4.
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Already my short answer shows that it was not a conspiracy by the early first century church or later to give up the Sabbath but that it was based on the understanding that the breaking up of the wall to the Gentiles meant also consequently not to load unto them the Sabbath.
At the same time the christian practice to celebrate the first day of the week got common, (If this was already at the beginning everywhere a weekly Lordsupper on Sunday is another question or if this derived from the domenical Easterfestival and later got celebrated weekly) ..
Already the new testament passages show as we know that on the first day of the week they met and broke the bread. Acts 13,27 shows that the apostels visited the temple on Sabbath to comment the texts that were read and to preach Jesus Christ. In some places there was a brotherly partnership and both days were held. But very early both days were distinguished. This was primarly a reaction to the jewish christians who inclined to hold the Mosaic law. .....
This all happened long before anybody intended or thought of making of this first day and celebration of the resurrection a "sunday-rest"-day, however to impose the jewish sabbath-rest to the gentiles, that was perhaps a wish of jewish christians but certainly not of the whole church.
Justin (burn about 100 A.D) explained the reason why Christians ignored the Jewish laws in a dialog with the Jew Trypho. (an antijewish apology)
Dialog with Trypho
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/justinmartyr-dialoguetrypho.html
"We live not after the law, and are not circumcised in the flesh as your forefathers were, and do not observe sabbaths as you do…. An eternal and final law — namely, Christ — has been given to us…. He is the new law, and the new covenant…. The new law requires you to keep perpetual sabbath, and you, because you are idle for one day, suppose you are pious, not discerning why this has been commanded you…. If there is any perjured person or a thief among you, let him cease to be so; if any adulterer, let him repent; then he has kept the sweet and true sabbaths of God."
In Justin’s view, the Sabbath command was an admonition to morality, and Christians, by behaving morally on every day, were in perpetual obedience to the purpose of the Sabbath.
Justin repeatedly said that the patriarchs Abel, Enoch, Lot, Noah and Melchizedek, “though they kept no Sabbaths, were pleasing to God…. For if there was no need of circumcision before Abraham, or of the observance of Sabbaths, of feasts and sacrifices, before Moses; no more need is there of them now.”23 Justin argued that, since Sabbaths and sacrifices and feasts began with Moses, then they ended with Christ, who was the new covenant.24
Not only do Gentiles not have to keep the Sabbath, Justin concluded that “the just men who are descended from Jacob” do not have too, either. Trypho asked, Could a Christian keep the Sabbath if he wished to? Justin knew of some Jewish Christians who kept the Sabbath and replied, Yes, as long as he doesn’t try to force other Christians to keep the law of Moses.
The dialogue is formal in the tradition of the Platonic dialogues. It is equally aimed at Jews, Christians, and Gentiles. Justin of the martyrs here reflects his experiences as a missionary who, on his travels, probably disputed with Jewish scholars. The dialogue traces such an argument during the time of the Bar-Kochba insurrection and the subsequent antichrist riots. The fact that Justinus has actually led the dialogue in Ephesus and has also been converted to Christianity can not be historically proven.
Of course it could be that this Justin the Martyr, who was a philosopher and lived after John died., was an apostate.
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We Pass the Bread and the Wine Just like in the Bible! But, why is forbidden to eat?
by lusitano o tuga insee what bridget azaz did!.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzbe5yo7uq4.
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Myelain's argument
My argument is that it was the wall of seperation between jew and gentile (which paul fought to break down) that occured during that time in the infant church when more people of the gentiles were coming into the church (in leadership roles) that the apostasy happened.
You mentioned the breaking down of the wall of separation between Jews and gentile as easy entry zone of a supposedly happened "apostasy".
However right as regards to the Sabbath:
"...Jews in the first century understood that God did not require Gentiles to keep the Sabbath. When the barriers between Jews and Gentiles were eliminated through Jesus’ death (Ephesians 2:13-16), the Sabbath was one of the barrier ordinances eliminated. It was a ritual law, not a timeless and eternal moral law. ...
...Paul tells us that the gentiles, even without the written law, had a law written on their hearts (Romans 2:14-15). They could know by nature that honesty was proper. But in contrast, they could not know from nature that they should anoint the right thumb instead of the elbow. They could not know by nature that they were to avoid work every seventh day.
Quotes from: "Is the Sabbath a moral law or a ceremonial Law?"
Thus just Paul himself and just the breaking down of the barrier made it necessary not to load jewish burdens on gentiles. Likewise the Apostolic Council didnt mention the Sabbath as duty for Gentiles and Gentile christians.
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According to the source below it was about 130 A.D. that jewish christians stopped celebration the Sabbath. But this didnot happen in this epoche as a replacement of Sunday to have a new day of rest, but it simple went out of practice. Christians worked on this day in the second century.
Maxwell: Many Christians were already honoring Sunday near the beginning of the second century…. Evidence is very strong…that many if not most Christians had given up the Sabbath as early as A.D. 130…. Just as Sunday observance came into practice by early in the second century, so among Gentile Christians Sabbath observance went out of practice by early in the second century.
But this was not a replacement for the Sabbath:
Sunday was observed only as a day for worship, not as a Sabbath on which to refrain from work…. Sunday was not at first celebrated as a ‘Sabbath.’… It was not observed in obedience to the fourth commandment…. Sunday was regarded by Christians generally not as a day of rest or holiness but as a day of joy.18
Sabbath and sunday in the Early Second Century
From a german source (googletranslation): https://bibelbund.de/2015/07/von-der-heiligung-des-sonntags/#fn10-3957
At first the Christians, as far as they came from Judaism, still held the Sabbath. At least until the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans it can be seen that the Jewish Christians in Jerusalem and Israel have consistently adhered to the Jewish ceremonial law. One of the reasons for this assumption is that "we do not hear of any persecution from the beginning, because Christians did not follow the Sabbath."
James, the brother of Jesus, who had stood at the head of the congregation in Jerusalem until the destruction of Jerusalem, was given the epithet "the righteous" by the Jews of the following century, not least because of his legal severity and his zealous temple service. The observance of the Sabbath for the figure of Jewish life at that time was too strong and meaningful, as "that the oldest Christianity, in the same way, had distinguished the Jewish week in this way, as opposed to its other day. The Sabbath was a strong bond of communion, which linked it to the whole people, and by keeping the Sabbaths holy by the Jewish Christians of Palestine, they followed the example and instruction of Jesus, who was not in the role of a rebel, but of a sensible accomplisher Legal orders ".12
But at the same time, the celebration of the first day of the week as the 'Lord's Day' is formed. On the "Resurrection Day" they held their own meetings. The celebration of the 'Lord's Supper' was at the center. Since the resurrection took place on the day after the Sabbath (Mark 16: 1ff.), The Lord's Supper was also celebrated on this day.13 From the celebration of the Lord's Supper, the first day of the week may have been given its early Christian designation "Day of the Lord" (Rev. 1.10).
It is of decisive importance for the origin of Sunday that among the four points, which were ordinarily ordered on the so-called Apostolic Council, Apg 15, for the Gentile Christians, the salvation of the Sabbath is no more the same as the foundation of another holy day ( Acts 15:28). Paul is vehemently opposed to any attempt to persuade the Gentile-Christian communities to hold certain days (Gal 4: 8, Col. 2: 8ff.), For they represent for him a relapse into a life of works (cf Gal. .
Under the decisive influence of Paul crystallized in the communities of Kleinasiens, Greece and Macedonia clear traces of a worship celebration. Thus Paul proposes to the church in Corinth what has already proved its worth in the communities of Asia Minor to complete their promised collection of money for the impoverished congregation in Jerusalem on every first day of the week when they are already together (1Cor 16: 1f.). In Troas (Acts 20: 7ff.) We find the celebration of the Lord's Supper together with a preaching service. Further concrete indications of the form and content of worship meetings can be found in the introductory wording in the first corinthian letter: "... if you come together ..." (cf 1 Cor 11: 20ff, 14, 26ff.
Nowhere did the early church call the Sunday 'Christian Sabbath' or argue its celebration derived from the Sabbath.
When the Apostle John moved to Kleinasien around the year 70, he found the celebration of the Lord's Day there as given. Thus, in revelation, he speaks of it quite naturally (cf. Rev 1: 10, "I was on the Lord's day in the Spirit ..."). Nowhere did the early church call the Sunday 'Christian Sabbath' or write that its celebration derived from the Sabbath.
"All of the testimonies indicate that the separation from the Sabbath already began in the Jewish Christian community, albeit initially in a twist that the heathen Christian communities were never committed to the Sabbath (Acts 15) and that the celebration of the Lordsday was finally settled under occasional conflicts (Gal 4: 8ff, Col 2: 8ff.) And relapses (Letter of Ignatius to the Magnesians 9:13). "I must say what regards me, i myself am researching this matter from time to time, but I always give up because i am confused.
I read much about Sabbath of Adventist, but i dont like the thought that a sevenday-rythm is a moral or universal principle.
this german information from a "voice of hope" obviouls adventistic, is called "the Sabbath Conspiracy" http://www.bibelstudien-institut.de/fileadmin/bibelstudien-institut.de/downloads/minibuecher/Minibuch_Nr_4_Sabbat_Verschwoerung.pdf
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RUSSIA: (7 April 2017) Day 3 - Jehovah's Witnesses hearing under way
by Drearyweather inin moscow, a soft rain drizzles.
along the facade of the supreme court stretched a large queue of those who came to the process as listeners.
a large bus is parked at the courthouse on povarskaya street, full of obviously bored police officers.
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Will the Russian bear (the beast) fall in love with the beauty (Jehovahs witnesses)
Russian bears with girls
Source: Photographer - Natalia Tarakanova and others from Pinterest, (search for terms "russian+bear+girl"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5A22uZ8Lac
Ariane Grande