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Russia - Who Will Get the Property of Jehovah's Witnesses?

by OrphanCrow in

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http://www.interessant.ru/politics/komu-dostanietsia-imushchie.

who will get the property of jehovah's witnesses?.

the sect "jehovah's witnesses", recognized as an extremist organization and banned in russia, owned real estate worth 4 billion rubles.

TheWonderofYou

The first mayor of St. Petersburg Anatoly Sobchak played a major role in promoting "Jehovah's Witnesses".

Was he killed because he was too America and too JW friendly?

In June 1999, his friend Vladimir Putin became much stronger politically (in a few weeks he became the Prime Minister of Russia)
His friendship with Mr Putin dated back to the 1980s, when he was a law professor in the city then called Leningrad.
On February 17, 2000, Putin met with Sobchak and asked him to urgently travel to Kaliningrad to support his election campaign. The Democratic Union party led by Valeria Novodvorskaya made an official statement that not only Sobchak, but also two of his aides had heart attacks simultaneously, which indicated poisoning. both bodyguards of Sobchak were treated for symptoms of poisoning after Sobchak's death, indicating at a probable contract killing by poisoning.
Who killed Putins friend?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatoly_Sobchak

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Sobchaks daughter is a famous russian TV-moderater, actress, jurist, policical activist and IT-girl.

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenija_Anatoljewna_Sobtschak

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-18408300

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenija_Anatoljewna_Sobtschak

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My mums dying she refuses blood transfusion...the horror.

by Witness 007 in

mum has a mild form of lukeimia if she took blood like normal people she could live to be 100. but no, anointed sisters dont compromise jehovah wont allow it.

so here i am moving to sydney for one month going to hospital everyday putting my life on hold to watch my mother die slowly.

watching her gasp for air, struggle to breath.

TheWonderofYou

This whole situation saddens. Wondering if the "bloodless industry" has no answer for LEUKEMIA. Acess to free Stemcells therapy for all JW at Englewood?

Is there a treatment of Leukemia without blood transfusion?

http://noblood.org/forum/threads/7121-Is-there-a-treatment-of-Leukemia-without-blood-transfusion

If you have relative which is a Jehovah's Witness, we would recommend that you get the local Hospital Liaison Committee (HLC) involved.

I have a leukemia (ALL T).
I have been put in remission in just 2 weeks with an old chemiotherapy : Oncovin (Vincristine) and cortisone.
I am waiting for someone maybe in Europe to give me a non-myeloablative or an myeoloablative stem cells transplant without blood transfusion. This is possible (see Cedar Sinaï in Los Angeles). But Ask the CLH before doing any consults. ???
Oh I am sorry.. I didn't have read all.. well, technics used for transplant without blood transfusion could be used :
- against l'anemia : Pediatric phlebotomy tubes, Adequate volume resuscitation , epogen,
- against bleeding : vitamine K, antifibrolytics. When platelets< 5000 : desmopressin, vasoconstrictors, factor VIII

Ethics of blood less medicine

http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-ethics-of-bloodless-medicine#

In Ian McEwan’s novel “The Children Act,” a judge must decide whether to insist upon transfusion for a seventeen-year-old Jehovah’s Witness who has leukemia and who cannot receive two critical drugs without also accepting donor blood, according to his doctors.

Tailored therapy of adult acute leukemia on Jehovahs witnesses

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15089764

This small series of adult patients with leukaemia illustrates difficulties in treating patients who are practising JW, yet nevertheless provides a significant argument against the prejudicial decision leading to evasion of treatment in these patients.

https://transfusionfree.usc.edu/case-studies/case-study-transfusion-free-leukemia-treatment/

In addition, scientists are continuing to look into ways to turn even this one exception around, to be able to treat leukemia bloodlessly. And they’ve begun to find their way, least in the treatment of one condition called acute promyelocytic leukemia (APL).

Bethel Brazil inside - TV Reportage by Gilberto Barros

by TheWonderofYou in

published on jul 21, 2017 how the witnesses of jehovah live at bethel.

40-minutes reportage by gilberto barros of bethel brazil.

special scenes of jw working in the laundry and as hairdressers at bethel, literature dispatch and library.

Published on Jul 21, 2017 How the witnesses of Jehovah live at Bethel. 40-minutes reportage by Gilberto Barros of bethel Brazil. Special scenes of JW working in the laundry and as hairdressers at Bethel, literature dispatch and library.

What a wonderful service these sisters and brothers do at Bethel. What a wonderful community, friendly and willing to work.

(Note: However I could not see any nursing of elderly people in bethel. Caring for elderly people is not done at bethel, The services in the bethel can be only used as long as one works there for the publishing house).

At the end of the video are collected scenes about the PERSECUTION in Russia.

(Activate subtitles with auto-translation from Portoguese to English in case you cant understand portoguese.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuoZ43oukv0

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Stupid things happen - Bethelite guarantees 16-year old visitor-girls bethel-admission

by TheWonderofYou in

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just watching this video about a bethel member, single again - gives advice at morning worship.he tries to convince young 16 year old girls who visit bethel and eat in the cafeteria to marry him.he offers the full blessings as wife of a prince in the new world and gives arguments that speakfor a fast decision... shocking stupidy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4udiaarpay.

in another video of ex-bethelite (how women are treated) a bethel elder is mentioned who talked to brothers at the table and gave advice abouth marriage and said that it would be the best to marry a women when is as young and pretty as possible, (at 8:45) so you have the possibilty to train her and to mode her in to what you want and get her used in the roles you set for her..... other bethelits made big errors and married older women 24,25.women that would have their own concepts of what bethel or marriage should be.

TheWonderofYou

Can one see the danger if this attitude is combined with the pressure to get baptised already at an early age? After being baptised such young girls would have little escape they would surely follow a man whom Jehovah has given so much authority in his organisation. The parents would applaude too if she made it to Warwick.

And if she would not be a willingful slave of her man he could easily castigate her with menace of loosing all privileges at bethel and as already baptised JW girl her man can use the threat of excommunication which means that she would loose her own family. Does she really want to sadden and loose her family and all the privileges? So she better learns and is obidient!

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Austria vs Hoffmann

by TheWonderofYou in

the jw brochure about medical care and blood transfusions cities on page 3. .

and in hoffmann v. austria, the court stated that the witness parent’s choice of medical treatment without the use of blood transfusions should not in any way have impaired her right to receive custody of her children.5.

however this decision is based on a replacement of a parental permission by a judicial decision in austria.

TheWonderofYou

Advertisment for JW bloodless industry.

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Austria vs Hoffmann

by TheWonderofYou in

the jw brochure about medical care and blood transfusions cities on page 3. .

and in hoffmann v. austria, the court stated that the witness parent’s choice of medical treatment without the use of blood transfusions should not in any way have impaired her right to receive custody of her children.5.

however this decision is based on a replacement of a parental permission by a judicial decision in austria.

TheWonderofYou

The "medical care" brochure is everything what a JW knows about blood transfusion namely that "bloodless surgery" is the future sanctum. No information in this text which is a farce of the blood components that are acceptable. This again is a secret policy of JW to avoid legal responsibilty for not allowing some blood components in the literature. Instead of being informative for JW this is commercial for the bloodless industry.

JW patients e.g. in case of hemorrage fully trust in the "bloodless" medicine and have not correct view of the danger and risks.

“Bloodless surgery has come to represent good practice, and in the future, it may well be the accepted standard of care.”—American Journal of Otolaryngology—Head and Neck Medicine and Surgery. 13

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Austria vs Hoffmann

by TheWonderofYou in

the jw brochure about medical care and blood transfusions cities on page 3. .

and in hoffmann v. austria, the court stated that the witness parent’s choice of medical treatment without the use of blood transfusions should not in any way have impaired her right to receive custody of her children.5.

however this decision is based on a replacement of a parental permission by a judicial decision in austria.

TheWonderofYou

The JW brochure about medical care and blood transfusions cities on page 3

And in Hoffmann v. Austria, the Court stated that the Witness parent’s choice of medical treatment without the use of blood transfusions should not in any way have impaired her right to receive custody of her children.5

However this decision is based on a replacement of a parental permission by a judicial decision in Austria. So this is certainly a fake reference. The JW applicants were indeed JWs. Dr. R. Kohlhofer, JW from Vienna and famous religious right lawyer in Austria, a friend of Hofmann the bloodless JW, who fought decades for JW's legal acceptance in Austria, as well as Garay JW- Avocat from Europe and brother Renoldner from bethel Austria. .

However, in the concrete case it needs to be examined whether the mother’s religious convictions have a negative influence on her upbringing of the children which should be taken into account and whether their well-being is impaired as a result. It appears in particular that Ingrid S. would not allow blood transfusions to be given to her children ; that for herself she rejects communal celebration of such customary holidays as Christmas or Easter ; that the children experience a certain tension in relation to an environment which does not correspond to their faith ; and that their integration in societal institutions such as kindergarten and school is made more difficult. However, the father’s apprehension of complete social isolation as a result of the mother’s religion does not appear well-founded in the light of the established facts.

In addition, no possible dangers to either child’s development have appeared in the course of the establishment of the facts. It is true that the facts adduced (blood transfusions, holidays, impaired social integration) are in principle capable of having detrimental effects on the children. This point must now be examined in the context of the particular case. It appears first of all that the father’s argument that Martin and Sandra would be exposed in an emergency to serious danger to their life and health by the refusal of a blood transfusion is not of decisive importance. In the absence of parental permission for a medically necessary blood transfusion to either child, such permission can be replaced by a judicial decision in accordance with Article 176 of the Civil Code (compare the decision of the Innsbruck Regional Court (Landesgericht) of 3 July 1979, 4R 128/79). In any case, according to this legal provision, anyone can apply to the court for an order that is necessary to ensure the welfare of the child when the parent endangers it by his conduct. In view of this possibility of applying to the court, which is available at all times, no danger to the children need be inferred from the mother’s attitude to blood transfusions. As for Ingrid S.’s rejection of holidays, notice must be taken of her express agreement to allow the father to take the children on such occasions and celebrate them with the children as he sees fit. The mother’s religious convictions thus do not deprive Martin and Sandra of the possibility of celebrating these holidays in the usual way, so that no detriment to the children can be found in this regard either. Of the reservations with regard to the mother’s upbringing of the children resulting from her religion the only remaining one of any significance is the circumstance that Martin and Sandra will in later life experience somewhat more difficulty in finding their way in social groups as a result of the religious precepts of the Jehovah’s Witnesses and will find themselves to some extent in a special position. However, the court cannot consider this so detrimental to the children’s welfare that they should for that reason not be entrusted to their mother, with whom they have such a close psychological relationship and to whose care they are accustomed. Careful consideration must lead to the conclusion that in spite of more difficult social integration, as discussed above, it appears to be more in the interest of the children’s welfare to grant parental rights to the mother than to transfer them to the father.”

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Russia - Who Will Get the Property of Jehovah's Witnesses?

by OrphanCrow in

jw
friends

http://www.interessant.ru/politics/komu-dostanietsia-imushchie.

who will get the property of jehovah's witnesses?.

the sect "jehovah's witnesses", recognized as an extremist organization and banned in russia, owned real estate worth 4 billion rubles.

TheWonderofYou

Referring to Moscow, the "house of culture" appears here as the "Freedom hall".

https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-jehovah-s-witness-ban-upheld/28621481.html

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Family of Jehovah's Witness who died after refusing blood transfusion can't keep suing doctors

by pale.emperor in

http://www.pennlive.com/news/2017/07/court_nixes_lawsuit_by_family.html.

the family of a jehovah's witness who died after repeatedly refusing blood transfusions can't sue the hospital where doctors begged for a chance to save her life, a state appeals court ruled.. the case, outlined in an opinion by superior court judge jacqueline o. shogan, involves a convergence of religion, medicine and the law.. its focus is on what happened before terri seels-davila, a jehovah's witness missionary, died after giving birth at hahnemann university hospital in philadelphia in november 2010.. seels-davila, who had been serving on mission with her husband in nicaragua, chose hahnemann because of its "bloodless medicine" program for patients who won't agree to having blood transfusions, including jehovah's witnesses, shogan noted.

the treatment plan for seels-davila called for recycling her own blood back into her system.. yet that proved to be inadequate when complications of her delivery required seels-davila to deliver by cesarean section.

TheWonderofYou

This is the decision of the Superior Court of Pennsylvania

http://caselaw.findlaw.com/pa-superior-court/1868129.html

On November 19, 2010, Seels-Davila and her father met with Iris Jiminez, one of the clerks at Hahnemann's Center for Bloodless Medicine. N.T. 4/24/15 at 12-13, 41. After talking with Ms. Jiminez, Seels-Davila signed a form entitled “Hahnemann University Hospital Center for Bloodless Medicine and Surgery Medical Directive/Release” where she indicated the following:
I, Terri Elaine Seels-Davila ․ request that no blood (whole blood, red cells, white cells, platelets and plasma) be administered to me during this hospitalization. I will accept the use of nonblood [sic] volume expanders (such as dextran, saline, or Ringer's solution or hetastarch) and other nonblood management.
Seels-Davila also indicated on this form that she consented to the use of a cell saver machine, if necessary, for intra-operative blood salvage and, below the signature line, handwrote “I am one of Jehovah's Witnesses. No blood.”

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Family of Jehovah's Witness who died after refusing blood transfusion can't keep suing doctors

by pale.emperor in

http://www.pennlive.com/news/2017/07/court_nixes_lawsuit_by_family.html.

the family of a jehovah's witness who died after repeatedly refusing blood transfusions can't sue the hospital where doctors begged for a chance to save her life, a state appeals court ruled.. the case, outlined in an opinion by superior court judge jacqueline o. shogan, involves a convergence of religion, medicine and the law.. its focus is on what happened before terri seels-davila, a jehovah's witness missionary, died after giving birth at hahnemann university hospital in philadelphia in november 2010.. seels-davila, who had been serving on mission with her husband in nicaragua, chose hahnemann because of its "bloodless medicine" program for patients who won't agree to having blood transfusions, including jehovah's witnesses, shogan noted.

the treatment plan for seels-davila called for recycling her own blood back into her system.. yet that proved to be inadequate when complications of her delivery required seels-davila to deliver by cesarean section.

TheWonderofYou

It appears as though the (paid) JW staff of the bloodless center replace the HLC duties for the hospital. Note that the HLC were never mentioned in the court document.

What sounds practical and patient-oriented! Why should a suffering patient have besides the clerks so much persons of the HLC to talk with or to argument with. Why would one who is already standfast need to talk so much with HLC guys at all?

Would it not be the best patient oriented way to minimize contact of HLC and let this job do a little circle of clerks who does the daily nursing job, with whom one likes to talk, is already familiar a JW staff that does also the daily routine work at your body, the JW clerks who do their job and will it do bloodless and patient orientated-