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Apostasy ~ The film, set in the Jehovah’s Witnesses community

by jw news 2017 in

http://variety.com/2017/film/news/cornerstone-films-worldwide-sales-jehovahs-witness-film-apostasy-1202536715/.

cornerstone films takes worldwide sales on jehovah’s witness film ‘apostasy’.

TheWonderofYou

http://www.tiff.net/tiff/apostasy/

https://twitter.com/danpkoko?lang=de

Family and faith come into conflict for two Jehovah’s Witness sisters in Manchester, when one is condemned for fornication and the other pressured to shun her sibling.

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Romans 4:5

by NJ501 in

romans 4:5new international version (niv).

5 however, to the one who does not work but trusts god who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness.. .

i need help to understand this scripture.

TheWonderofYou

Drearyweather wrote: Abraham did lot of works in obedience to God and because of his love for him, like leaving his home and personal luxuries behind, circumcising the male members of his family, readiness to sacrifice Isaac, etc. However, the credit for his righteousness did not go to this works, but to his Faith - Genesis 15:6.

I like Drearyeathers illustration very much. However, I think Abrham could not even present works but in contrary he had only little faith and he only barely believed. It was the spark of faith that counted. Circumsicion is not a work, how the baptism is not a work but a sign, a testimony.

Dont let us forget that Abraham was - even after the covenant - a tricky person, a liar, a disputable person, he betrayed his wife, and created many family problems, only after 100 years God allowed that he procreated a son. For more than 100 years God - according to the story - God forgave him and corrected his mistakes and had to intervent to correct his mistakes. And only after 100 he latetly understood Gods will a little bit indeed, his faith had grown though and therefore it was time for God to test him, he shoud sacrifce his son and kill him with a knife, what he again did not understand, but he tried hard to do it, he had faith, trust, confidence.

He was not a hero of "good deeds", "works", or "theocraticve achievements", but only had one thing - a little bit trust, he barely believed - and now after 100 years he didnt understand why he should gilden his faith by killing his son, what he did not in fact (it was only a story) and also fortunately, because otherwise the divine promise could not come true.

Although he was apart from that an example of a sinner, a slow and weak person, a godless rapscallion in his heart, this situation must have been really difficult for him after he had found finally a little faith in God, then suddenly such a final examination/test!

The story only expresses with the mean of such a crucial test using the ancient "human sacrifice" as pattern, (although for our sense it might be unloving) that only entire devition to God is what - also accompanied by awful endurance test - leads to the "true life" and the fullfillment of the promise.

However it was neither this "test" nor the circumcision, nor the convenant, nor his 100 years of divine education, intervention and correction (what made him ancestor of a promise) what would have been the requirement to be loved by God. It was Abrahams however the original tiny seed of faith, that ingenious faith, which took roots, that was credited as righteousness.

From this perspective - taken Abraham as example of a man who BARELY believed and barely passed those tests of faith, however had a spark of faith - not only a little flock, but billions of people, "ungodly" people, liars with a spark of faith, should indeed not fear that their little faith would not be credited as righteousness.

BTW: Charles Taze Russel, Joseph F. Rutherford are only a few examples in the organsation that followed his example, they were tricky and liars and created many problem in the bethel family that even today leads to suffering of thousand of honest Christians. They had a spark of faith. But even after 100 years God has not yet enough intervened to correct the manmade rules. However these two might even be also heirs of the promise, not because of deeds, works, service hours in pioneering, donations, but because of Gods love. The crucial test however for the GB as for anyone could yet stand before them anytime. For them the test will be certainly much severe. Would they really bring such a "human" sacrifice, let their children or parents die without blood e.g. which they await from others? Whatfor actually if a spark of faith is enough?

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Gerrit Losch Claims JW's Attending College Are Spiritually Weak

by pale.emperor in

https://www.facebook.com/jw.0027/videos/799049613609936/.

the video was posted directly to a pro-jw facebook page.

i cant believe what i'm hearing... actually, nothing surprises be about this cult anymore.. didn't they say to the judge in the arc that they dont discourage college?.

TheWonderofYou

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFDd1rl28EQ

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Beautiful new kingdom song

by slimboyfat in

has anyone noticed this new song?

i think it's absolutely beautiful.

it's got a film score quality about it, with depth and feeling.

TheWonderofYou

DOOMSDAY mood switching into paradise mood and then back again into doomsday mood and again and again....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtthy7ObPdc

Bert Kaempferts Swinging Safari was more effective to remain in good mood since the 70s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pn-RNV7-HfQ

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2017 Convention Recording: JWs Applaud 10yo Girl For Shunning Her Own Sister

by pale.emperor in

this poor girl was baptized at 9yo.

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she isnt old enough to buy alcohol, to vote, to decide her own medical treatment, to buy a pet, to travel alone... yet she was deemed old enough to dedicate her life to a religion that will cut her off from her family if she ever leaves.. here she is applauded for shunning her own sister who tried to keep in contact with her after waking up.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yzgnfda8ki.

TheWonderofYou

Such interviews are not made incidental but well prepared for the stage what demonstrates again the degree of stubborness, cussedness and forced internalization of commandements what distinguishes JW and is demanded of them by the supervisiors, called "biblical edcuation", a well perpared demonstration to snatch the applause of the audience.

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Illogical illustration of “the rich man and the poor man Lazarus” (Luke 16:19-31)

by venus in

illustration of the rich man and the poor man lazarus indirectly hints that the materially rich would go to hell and the poor ones to heaven.

if one reads between the lines, one can discern that this illustration is a later adoption intended to exploit the rich using the poor as a means.. i have friends who are extremely rich (net-worth in billions) and also who are materially very poor, and have found both are living in hell because of their attitude.

the excess the rich have prevents them from enjoying it (and even the affluent find a huge gap between income and desires, hence find themselves often in conflict and competition) and whereas the deprived compare themselves with the haves which prevents them also from enjoying their lives.. jesus would not provide an illustration that undermines his own most favored statement: “happy are those poor in spirit because kingdom of heavens belongs to them” (mathew 5:3) and his own explanation that heaven is the condition of one’s heart (luke 17:21) obviously he had in mind those who do not have the baggage of attachment and sense of possession, those few people of simplicity that belong to both the categories—the rich and the poor. simplicity is the ultimate sophistication, a stage where every possession serves a purpose living a life that is deliberate and intentional (not one that someone else has scripted for them) and wanting to feel more complete (not more objects of the world), at ease.

TheWonderofYou

Obviously he had in mind those who do not have the baggage of attachment and sense of possession, those few people of simplicity that belong to both the categories—the rich and the poor.

Cardinal Schönborn, Vienna: "The Gospel of the poor, begging for a gift in the doorstep of the rich, exhorts men to do what is most important in the sight of God. This admonition in the parable of the "rich and poor Lazarus" is not connected with a condemnation of the rich by Jesus, emphasized Cardinal Christoph Schönborn on Saturday evening in Vienna's St. Stephen's Cathedral.
"Jesus himself had rich friends in Bethany," recalled the Cardinal. If, in the parable of the nameless rich man and the poor Lazarus, he made a harsh judgment, it was not because "the rich man is attracted to brandname clothing, but because the rich man does not see the poor before his own door."
The "dramatic" and actually sinful in the lives of most people are not the mistakes, but the omissions, the Viennese archbishop said: "What we miss, what we do not perceive what we overlook." Everyone must ask themselves, "Where is Lazarus in front of my door?"

or how another commentator wrote: "there is no way to god, except with Lazarus".

Another comment by this archbishop to the sunday gospel reading about Lazarus is this "who is your Lazarus"

..."I do not believe that Jesus sees this as something automatic: the poor are good in the poor, the poor are good. His message is rather: It depends on what you do now, how you behave today. There are rich that have a great heart. There are poor that close their hearts. Your eternal lot does not decide. It's in your hands today. Look outside your door! Who is your Lazarus?

https://www.erzdioezese-wien.at/site/glaubenfeiern/christ/bibel/gedankenzumevangelium/article/52361.html

ECONOMIC SITUATION IN ROMAN PALESTINE

Another important factor we should consider is the soical economic background of the story. The jewish society was very solidarian. A poor one had pratically a public right for a support. It was regulated so.It was usual to invite poorer on holidays:

“Go, my son, and find one of our poorer relatives captive here in Nineveh, someone who pays attention to God with all his heart. Bring him here to eat with me. I will wait here, son, until you return.” Tobit 2,2

There was an instituionalised right for social services. Supporting widows and orphans (fatherless boys) got proverbal. Much is about this matter in the literature under the subjects jewish welfare, i stop because i am missing time now, however one important thing: about 90 % of jewish people in roman palestine have been according to a source poor people, they were wageworkers or slaves. Other sources say that it was not so bad.

Therefore such a religious welfare institution was absolutely necessary and seldom one was let completely alone in this community network. About the roman jews was said that jewish children learned from the youth to beg, they were known as beggars in Rome. Besides them there were the cynics, people who decided volunatarily to live poor and to beg.

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Mother let die child

by TheWonderofYou in

emotional scene with children, mother, doctors and priest, .... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qdtafrbcm8.

TheWonderofYou

Sadly I am merely spanish beginner. So it may last longer.

The son denunciates his mother and calls her the killer of his brother.

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Illogical illustration of “the rich man and the poor man Lazarus” (Luke 16:19-31)

by venus in

illustration of the rich man and the poor man lazarus indirectly hints that the materially rich would go to hell and the poor ones to heaven.

if one reads between the lines, one can discern that this illustration is a later adoption intended to exploit the rich using the poor as a means.. i have friends who are extremely rich (net-worth in billions) and also who are materially very poor, and have found both are living in hell because of their attitude.

the excess the rich have prevents them from enjoying it (and even the affluent find a huge gap between income and desires, hence find themselves often in conflict and competition) and whereas the deprived compare themselves with the haves which prevents them also from enjoying their lives.. jesus would not provide an illustration that undermines his own most favored statement: “happy are those poor in spirit because kingdom of heavens belongs to them” (mathew 5:3) and his own explanation that heaven is the condition of one’s heart (luke 17:21) obviously he had in mind those who do not have the baggage of attachment and sense of possession, those few people of simplicity that belong to both the categories—the rich and the poor. simplicity is the ultimate sophistication, a stage where every possession serves a purpose living a life that is deliberate and intentional (not one that someone else has scripted for them) and wanting to feel more complete (not more objects of the world), at ease.

TheWonderofYou

Gorge Storrs influenced Ch. T. Russel.

I found a comment by him about the Lazarus story. He of course supported the doctrine of the "dispensation" and could not resist to adopt it to this story.

while the obstinate unbelieving Jew from the time of Christ, or from the introduction of the Christian dispensation, has been "tormented:" and the "gulf" between the two dispensations is "impassable"-

http://centrowhite.org.br/files/ebooks/apl/all/Storrs/The%20Rich%20Man%20and%20Lazarus.pdf

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similarities of WT and North Koria

by yoko N in

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TheWonderofYou

1. Leader of North Korea is treated like a God, people pray to a statue of him every day. All people have to attend funerals of the leader and have to cry for him under menace of a 6 month labor camp = concentration camp.

If you dont follow the humble and faithful slave you have not place in the congregation and get cut off. Most JW adore the GB. If you dont listen to the GB you get disfellowshipped and 6 month you have lost everything and you live furtheron like in a JW-style "concentration camp", you are separated from your peers.

2. You have to get a conservative hair cut, you have no choice. You have to choose from a government approves selection of 14 haircuts for men, 18 for women.
Surveillance cameras on public place to pull out people who dont have approved haircuts.

An attractive hair cut is important in the JW service as well as clothing, surveillance is organised by critics from the sisters and brothers.

3. Bibles, Torahs, Corans and religious practise are banned.

Non-JW religious literature is banned by JW, magical literature is burned, non-religious is treated as harmful. Higher education is harmful for the devleopment of a modest character.

4. Television. 2 channels available and strictly controlled by the state. Purpose is propaganda like public service talks about haircuts. Inaccurate news. critizizing and lying about US and allies.

TV is used as main propagand-tool in the JW religion, the content is much about "micro-managing" the life of a JW, e.g. how to dress correctly and modestly, how to change character to become a volunteer for the construction work. Printed editions of publciatons are avoided.

5. 1/1000 posess a car.

JW are mostly from the lower class and dont possess much cars either.

6. freetime: no room for that, one works 70 days straight, 6 day work day and forced extra day with volunteer work, people are seen as resources rahter then as people.

JW are overloaded with theocratical duties, there are pioneers who serve 70 h a month and besides that do yet extra volunteer work in building projects.

7. Photography banned.

Interviews with JW representatives are not wished, if it turns about critical question about the organisation. Leaders are ignoring that problems exist or are relevant and do everything to hide the real financial situation and reasons for doctrinal changes.

8. Women soldiers. brainwashing military camp. Learning frases like "We are killing Americans". Used in parades to make the country look good.

As JW -women have nothing to say in the organisation they are used as propaganda tool in street service and building projects. They make the JW-country look good and not surpressive. This JW-style "army" is preaching "god is killing in Armageddon" or turning one into salt columns.

9. Family punishment. The country has a law: "3 generations of punishment". Parents, wife, kids or unborn are punished for ones crimes and come into labor camps.

JW likewise have a form of a family punishment, if one leaves the religion the JW family (grandpa, relatives, kids) and all other people from the peer punishes this person and they wont talk with it nor take up your call.

10. Everybody has to vote. As there is only once Canidate.

JW vote only for the invisible power not for human powers. The human power is exectued by the governing body anyway and one cant vote for it.

11. Sexual abuse is not a serious crime. They dont make a deal out of it.

At JW sexual abuse is treated as a sin but not as a crime.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEPfHDNLahk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4qXUDp3FbY

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