Posts by Chezdale

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questions for those who were once elders

by enoughisenough in

i watched some wendi renay youtube videos.

the former elder who was being interviewed mentioned a couple of things i noted.

i would like to know what your reactions were at the time you learned what i am going to relate if you had the same or kindred experience.

Chezdale

Hello eno..

definitely we were taught in elders meeting by co's that we, as elders were very special.

Angels? well yes,kinda.. We relayed "messages" to the congregation.

I remember distinctly being instructed at an elders school that we AS ELDERS were in the outstretched right hand of Jesus as STARS. as described at Rev 1:16

We were Stars! Not kidding it is scriptural (they said). here is just a couple of teachings

in print. I found dozens like this in the official WT library.

All these quotes frm WT are describing what is taught using Revelation 1:16

1989 WT April 1

These seven congregations of anointed Christians were represented as seven lampstands, and the anointed elders within them were represented as seven stars in the right hand of Christ. By this vivid image, John saw that faithful Christian congregations must be light bearers, like lighted lampstands in a darkened world. Jesus’ holding the elders in his right hand showed that he leads the elders, guiding and governing them.

What is indicated by the elders’ being in the right hand of Jesus?

8 Since Jesus is the Head of the congregation, the elders are properly said to be in his right hand, that is, under his control and direction.

w92 7/1 pp. 14-19 - The Watchtower—1992

Faithful, respected anointed overseers are depicted in the book of Revelation as being held in Jesus’ right hand, that is, under his control and direction.

2012 Oct 15

To avoid that kind of spirit, we can remember that Jesus is pictured in the Bible as having “in his right hand seven stars.” The “stars” represent the anointed overseers and, by extension, all the overseers in the congregations. Jesus can direct the “stars” in his hand in any way he feels appropriate. Thus, as Head of the Christian congregation, Jesus has full control of the bodies of elders. If someone on a body truly needs correction, the One who has “eyes as a fiery flame” will see to it that this is done in His own time and way. In the meantime, we maintain proper respect for those appointed by holy spirit

(Many more direct quotes from the book and magazines if you need them)

we were the STARS in Jesus hand in Rev 1:16!

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The Internet and Babylon The Great

by Chezdale in

hello elle2 and welcome to the forum.. thank you enoughisenough for the post about alternatives to babylon the great.. i tend to go back to the first babylon account in genesis ch 11 – a very short fascinating event.. mankind it says, was of “one set of words” they understood each other.

apparently it was after the flood and they were working unitedly they built this thing, tower ziggy what thingy and they all had the same language, understood each other and achieved stuff.

it was called the tower of babel.. babel means confusion.

Chezdale

Hello Elle2 and welcome to the forum.

Thank you enoughisenough for the post about alternatives to Babylon the Great.

I tend to go back to the first Babylon account in Genesis Ch 11 – a very short fascinating event.

Mankind it says, was of “one set of words” they understood each other. Apparently it was after the flood and they were working unitedly They built this thing, tower Ziggy what thingy and they all had the same language, understood each other and achieved stuff. It was called the Tower of Babel.

Babel means confusion.

Then it became different. God said “let us go down and stop this nonsense” and they were scattered!

The language was changed. Instead of one uniting set of words it was broken up into apparently different languages and they could only understand those that “spoke' the same.

The Internet has supposedly been uniting mankind these last few decades...

But what is happening now is also a fascinating event. Forces seem to be wanting to “unite mankind” (..we are all in this together .. blah blahh)

We are not truly listening to each other or understanding one another.

We are split and scattered between different Media outlets. We have news we prefer and brand anyone with a different opinion or outlook as left or right leaning etc.

We are scattered by diverse arrays of TV channels and .org's and .com's and .net's and .co's and .Gov's with less and less country identity. Eg. The BBC news presenting (way of presenting).... “the news”. With a real local appearance as if it is very familiar with your geological position. Everything is now “global”. “We are one”.

Or so they say.

Just my personal thoughts here, I enjoy the internet. I built my first PC back in 1995 when the first WT library on CD ROM was made. However, I really feel in my heart that the biggest mistake WT made was getting involved in the “confusion” of this entity called the internet. I have always had the internet from the first dial up modem. BUT I HATE the INTERNET for what it has done and is DOING!

I have seen the effect of all the SCREENS and what has happened to people by the use of screens.

We are drowning in information which is getting harder and more confusing to sort out. There is a force?entity?being pulling the strings and It really does seem like it is the epitome of Lies and Evil and all things confusing.

There are more similarities but I will leave it at that for now.

I don't know what the outcome will be and I am not suggesting that this is a type or an antitype or a prophetic thing. Genesis Ch11 is very short. Gen Ch12 doesn't really give a sequential follow through.

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UN and Governing Body and an accounting

by AnnaNana in

joseph and mary were not in a spiritually adulterous relationship with the roman authorities, the "legs of iron".

joseph and mary were not perfect.

the governing body of the modern-day organization of jehovah's witnesses is not perfect.

Chezdale

AnnaNanna you raised some ideas. Your ideas.What Are you doing here, you count more time handwriting letters.

Defending 8 men who live at 8 Kings Dr will not get you any extra hour credits. You are by association a bad associate. Be making up your mind or admit that you are conflicted.

The 8 at the lake are being exposed by the mouth of Jesus.

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Is the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses REALLY the "faithful and discreet slave" of Matt. 24:45-47?

by Roger Kirkpatrick in

thesis: when someone who is given a responsibility mistakes that responsibility for authority, bullying is very likely to occur.. jesus spoke an illustration recorded at matthew 24: 45-51 which well illustrates this thesis.. jesus asked, “who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over all his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time?

happy is that slave if his master on arriving finds him doing so.

truly i say to you, he will appoint him over all his belongings.

Chezdale

The GB are men who are desirous of recognition and obeisance.

They are trapped by the attitude of the Pharisees.

Jesus will reveal those soon, those lawless men who live at 1 Kings drive, Tuxedo. New York State.

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Is the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses REALLY the "faithful and discreet slave" of Matt. 24:45-47?

by Roger Kirkpatrick in

thesis: when someone who is given a responsibility mistakes that responsibility for authority, bullying is very likely to occur.. jesus spoke an illustration recorded at matthew 24: 45-51 which well illustrates this thesis.. jesus asked, “who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over all his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time?

happy is that slave if his master on arriving finds him doing so.

truly i say to you, he will appoint him over all his belongings.

Chezdale

Jesus directed the OP question to any one listening.

If we TRULY follow Jesus, then we are REALLY that one.

WE don’t need to provide proof.

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Is the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses REALLY the "faithful and discreet slave" of Matt. 24:45-47?

by Roger Kirkpatrick in

thesis: when someone who is given a responsibility mistakes that responsibility for authority, bullying is very likely to occur.. jesus spoke an illustration recorded at matthew 24: 45-51 which well illustrates this thesis.. jesus asked, “who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over all his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time?

happy is that slave if his master on arriving finds him doing so.

truly i say to you, he will appoint him over all his belongings.

Chezdale

The GB also spoke very much in unison with the governments and UN. (WHO).

The way they promoted the injections was disgusting and sickening. Was Jesus behind that? C’mon.

They coerced JWs to look to the wrong snake on the pole. The World Health Organization- symbol is…. A snake wound around a pole or shaft.

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Is the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses REALLY the "faithful and discreet slave" of Matt. 24:45-47?

by Roger Kirkpatrick in

thesis: when someone who is given a responsibility mistakes that responsibility for authority, bullying is very likely to occur.. jesus spoke an illustration recorded at matthew 24: 45-51 which well illustrates this thesis.. jesus asked, “who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over all his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time?

happy is that slave if his master on arriving finds him doing so.

truly i say to you, he will appoint him over all his belongings.

Chezdale

Someone calling themself Annabana or similar, recently was saying that they (GB) weren’t ruling as kings…. Duh. The address of the world headquarters of Jehovah’s witnesses is:

1 Kings Dr, Tuxedo Park NY 10987

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Smoking gun GB can’t get out of this one

by Mikejw in

here in 2022 if anyone says anything against the vaccines even a little bit you are almost apostate.. someone once mentioned all vaccinated sports stars collapsing and someone else said not to speak badly about the gb or by extension jehovah.. the gb can’t get out of this one, it’s gone too far.

it’s now the case that if you speak against the vaccines you are speaking against the gb and by extension jehovah .

Chezdale

Anony Mous

thank you for the link to the medical journal.

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Smoking gun GB can’t get out of this one

by Mikejw in

here in 2022 if anyone says anything against the vaccines even a little bit you are almost apostate.. someone once mentioned all vaccinated sports stars collapsing and someone else said not to speak badly about the gb or by extension jehovah.. the gb can’t get out of this one, it’s gone too far.

it’s now the case that if you speak against the vaccines you are speaking against the gb and by extension jehovah .

Chezdale

Bartolommeo, I agree very much with your very first post and your other comments thus far. Also, welcome to the forum!

I, like you am not happy with the GB. however, unlike your wife, my wife decided to get the injections. She wasn’t going to until they started with those first few GB updates back in 2021. Really leaning on the importance of being injected.

She has had 3. She is not wanting to get a 4th but I think the damage is done. I am disgusted in the way they used coercion and then claim these are conscience matters…

I feel I can be disgusted and even angry at time like you. and also, possibly like you, that does not mean I have to be angry at Jehovah - or have any particular feelings for Jehovah as I feel they are falsely representing him.

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Who says the Pandemic didn't wake up a lot of people!

by pistolpete in

there are actually tons of these experiences.

i wanted to post this one because it involved all the family of born in jws.. post;.

all my freakn dreams came true.

Chezdale

Hello Enough, you said:

The GB was giving updates and telling us to trust them! Get the vax if you can. They were emotionally blackmailing and coercing. ( still are-see a recent letter about the HLC and the visitor group) Life insurance companies are reporting more payouts since the V rollout.

And..

The point of this is I knew/know Jehovah and Jesus in no way would approve of such a defilement of flesh. The GB are great hypocrites-you can get df for smoking and drinking and drug use-it defiles your flesh. If you didn't take the vax, it gave others in the congregation rediculingand judgment rites and they used them.The circuit overseer in assembly last year said you have to have faith in Jehovah...if you have faith in Jehovah, you have to have faith in his slave and obey them...take the vax...I kept trying to make excuses for the GB...it didn't fly...

And also

.Sorry folks-this bandwagon isn't ending for me because I see the GB still pushing their "health" policies and twisting the scriptures to make it sound like it is advice from God and all the while people who were healthy and in the prime of their life have died or are permanantly injured from the promoted poison.A spade is a spade.

My experience is similar. My wife has had 3 shots. She has been affected and will not be having her 4th. I work in a small company (around 20 people)All injected and boosted. Over the past 2 years 3 have left (all men in their 30 and 40s due to heart issues). the women have "womens problems" develop. I know 3 people who can't work because of becoming deaf in one ear and have unmanageable tinnitus. I had a close relative with no previous heart problems die one evening.

I could go on and on... the injuries from this thing is becoming overwhelmingly evident. ALL the people at work have had Covid and it's variants, some several times! I have not taken the shots. I am NOT an anti vaxer. I do not believe it is a vaccine. They are soon rolling out a ModeRNA (Drug company Moderna) - new "omocron specific" injection here in Aust. And Moderna announced yesterday that they are opening a brand new facility to produce millions of the RNA shots in conjunction with a university in Melbourne.

12 days ago

Yes. When the GBody promoted the shot (it is not a vaccine) I withdrew even further. What happened to them promoting and talking about our God given Immune system and how to strengthen it? Now I watch as those who reluctantly got the jab get sicker and keep getting covid..

They are in Lock Step with the government in promoting the Pharmaceutical gods and they claim to be neutral. Puh! Hypocrites.

Babylon Deceives All Nations by her sorcery / “pharmakeia.”. Revelation 18:23. “… and all nations were deceived by your sorcery. The Greek word for “sorcery” is “pharmakia” (strongs G5331). The Greek word “pharmakeia” is the origin of the English words Pharmacy, Pharmacist & Pharmaceutical.