It's just like Elephant has been saying all along. " Just shut your mouth and know your role. Don't ruin it for the rest of us benefitting from the corrupt system." .
DATA-DOG
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In Jehovah's Witnesses- Elders Have Rights- other JW's Don't- 10/15 WT
by flipper inin the 10/15 watchtower study edition on pg.
12 is the article " what kind of spirit do you show ?
" right away this article starts drawing the line of demarcation in the sand between who has the right to make decisions within jehovah's witnesses and who does not have the right to do so.
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Why aren't you an Atheist?
by Bloody Hotdogs! inlong time lurker, first time poster.. .
i'm an ms (accounts servant) in a large congregation in canada.
over the last several years i've faught a hard-won battle to rid my mind of all religous and supernatural beleifs.
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I hate dogma of any kind. Dogma, and the persons who benefit from promoting it are stopping real progress for everyone. Religious dogma, scientific dogma, it's all the same to me. Science would seem to have upper hand because you can test your theories to see if they are true. Religious experiences can be anectodal and hard to prove. So until we can actually part the Red Sea no one will believe it. Still if I reason about my world, EVERYTHING I see has been made. The most gigantic skyscraper to the tiniest nano-bot all had to be made by someone. The natural world is infinitely more complicated. I just can't believe it came to be by pure chance. The Bible says that God created everything according to it's " kind ". What happened after that is anybody's guess, a slow evolution of the " kinds " into thier modern varieties? I could buy that. Life was seeded on earth by " God " I can buy that. A " spiritual " realm that co-exists with ours and sometimes interacts with it? I can believe that. What I can't believe is that a small mammal decided to swim into the predator filled waters in the distant past and survived long enough to either find another mammal swimming around and mate with it, Or it reproduced by masturbation somehow and little mammals came along. Then they were not immediately eaten. They swam around too, until they eventually became what we call dolphins today. All this from a "similar " bone from a fossil. That's as bat shit crazy as 1,600 furlongs being the distance from Hoboken to Bethel! THAT is why I am not an atheist. I may not know all the answers but I don't have to believe dogma that sells a Watchtower or a National Geographic.
Dogma #1
Dogma #2
"By the space of a thousand and [six] TWO hundred furlongs. - This cannot be interpreted to refer to the 2100 mile battle line of the world war. A furlong or stadium is not a mile and this is without the city whereas the battle line is within the city. See Rotherham's translation. A stadium is 606¾ English ft; 1200 stadii are, mi., 137.9 The work on this volume was done in Scranton, Pa. As fast as it was completed it was sent to the Bethel. Half of the work was done at an average distance of 5 blocks from the Lackawanna station, and the other half at a distance of 25 blocks. Blocks in Scranton are 10 to the mile. Hence the average distance to the station is 15 blocks, or........... 1.5 mi. Official Railway Guide time-table distance Scranton to Hoboken Terminal, 133.0 ft. New York City Engineer's official distance Hoboken to the Bethel, via Barclay Street Ferry, Fulton Street and Fulton Ferry, 8,850, 4,950, 2,540 and 1,460 feet respectively, or a total of..............3.4 ft. Shortest distance from place where the winepress was trodden by the Feet Members of the Lord, Whose guidance and help alone made this volume possible. (John 6:60, 61; Matt. 20:11.)...........mi.,137.9"
Neither should be believed by a reasoning person.
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Medical Marijuana, wasn't there a WT letter?
by puffthedragon ini have been searching several exjw sites and can't find it, but i swear i remember seeing a letter on medical marijuana posted once.
atlantis, ee, cedars, anyone?
if this can be reposted or a link put up i'd be greatful..
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Is it for joint pain? Cause I could use some!!
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Just visited ex-Mormon site
by Phizzy infor some reason i thought i'd have a look see at an ex-mormon site.
very similar experiences, difficulties, pain etc for them , as us.. one girl made a statement that really stood out, she said that for a born-in , especially one whose family had been in for years , it was like " losing citizenship in a country that contained all of your history, all of your culture, and all of your heritage.".
i think that is so true, we leave and are immigrants in a strange land and culture that we know nothing about, no wonder it takes us a while to adjust..
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Do Mormons excommunicate people just for disagreeing with the leadership? NOTHING is nuttier than that.
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How many of you have lost your faith on JWN
by Most Noble injust curious, if anyone had lost faith whilst on jwn and do u think it is an honorable experience?..
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Why do you ask? Just curious is not good enough.
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My letter to elders. Just drafted... PLEASE tell me what you think... Greybeard
by Greybeard into: all elders in the grover beach congregation of jehovah witnesses, the watchtower corporation and governing body of "jehovah witnesses" .
from: gregg blasingame.
cc: watchtower inc.. dear brothers,.
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FALCON: The funny thing about what's written in the Watchtower and Awakes, even recent ones, is that no devout JW really gives two sh*ts about what's written. There is an underlying arrangement set in stone, and you either follow it, or you're out. It's kind of like a Hallmark card, they are nice to get and the funny little quip/inspirational poem/motivational statement may be quite comforting and make you feel all warm and fuzzy, but 20 seconds after putting down the card, you forget all about it. Same way with the WT literature. It's almost written from a dog's perspective. A dog doesn't remember the past nor cares for the future; it live in the NOW.
This is one of the best things I have read for a while. It is scary true ..... The underlying agreement in that whatever the current GB says in the current WT is God's word, period. Accept and obey or be marked and most likely DF'd for apostasy.
Greg,
You make a good point about going on record. I respect that. Whatever happens you have followed your conscience, and not just ran with the rest of the lemmings. Doing what's right aint easy brother.
Peace,
DD
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Witness Speak: the worst of collection
by grumblecakes inso we all know the jw vocabulary is a weird one.
what words or phrases bugged you the most?.
a few of mine:.
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re-adjust
false-religion as opposed to " true " reilgion
needgreater
whole-hearted
double-hearted
Slave
spiritual vision
begrudgingly
physical intimacy within the bonds of the marital arrangement
sex organs
under shepherds
The whole " Shepherd the Flock " book.
wholesome recreation
governing body
organization
tract
presentation
Basically any word twisted to impose thier will upon you, or make you feel guilty, or that stops the normal thought process that all humans should use.
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Crosses, Beards and Wings
by Cold Steel ini've always been fascinated by the pictures in the watchtower.
back in the 70s, i was intrigued by pictures of a beardless jesus hanging on a stake with two theives hanging beside him.
he usually had a full head of hair, but it looked strange for a beardless jesus to be standing in the midst of his disciples, all with beards!
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This looks pretty good:
This looks better:
Perhaps a mixture of the two could be achieved in the future. On thing is certain, I cannot do THIS for 1000 years!!!!
I will jump off a cliff as many times as it takes to kill myself if I have to dress like I am at a KH build.
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Any good scans of " The old theology"
by DATA-DOG inthe old theology is featured in this weeks km!!!
only in passing, and for the purpose of pimping tracts that contain lies, like the " spiritual mother " teaching.
sady o'l ctr is given only token mention as well.
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Thank you. I will check those sites. I want to show up for the meeting ( if I can't get out of it ) with a printed version of ' The Old Theology '. I already show up with serveral different bibles, and just listen and highlight stuff during the meeting. I want the Elders to see me reading it because the only place to get it is on the internet! I am also systematically " borrowing " all the old books from the KH! SNEAKY!!! With all the new light being tossed around no one will miss some musty old Russell Books.
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My letter to elders. Just drafted... PLEASE tell me what you think... Greybeard
by Greybeard into: all elders in the grover beach congregation of jehovah witnesses, the watchtower corporation and governing body of "jehovah witnesses" .
from: gregg blasingame.
cc: watchtower inc.. dear brothers,.
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Can I copy it for the future? I won't plagiarize it, but your points were made so well and mirror my own sentiments. Maybe I could look at it just for reference. I had a bunch of info ready to share with the elders at my last meeting. I was still naive enough to think it would be considered. It became clear that presenting any truth, even from thier own literature was probably futile. In fact I believe that I would be DF'd right now if I had given them all that information. You are brave, and you have had enough, they are not your salvation.
DD
