He does not believe he is special, he believes that if you claim to be a Christian you should partake. Everything else will be sorted out in the future, because JW's obviously do not have all the answers.
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DO THREE ELDER'S MEAN IT IS JUDICIAL?!?
by DATA-DOG ini have a friend who met with a couple of elders recently and i was told things went well, no issues.
well a couple weeks later they stopped by my friends place, ( just to say hi ) right before they left they said, " hey can we meet again?
my friend said, " sure ".
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DO THREE ELDER'S MEAN IT IS JUDICIAL?!?
by DATA-DOG ini have a friend who met with a couple of elders recently and i was told things went well, no issues.
well a couple weeks later they stopped by my friends place, ( just to say hi ) right before they left they said, " hey can we meet again?
my friend said, " sure ".
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Apparently they are concerned because questioning anything or making an observation is a stepping stone to " apostasy ". So i guess even though they have said that it is not a JC, it should be treated as such. Especially in light of the fact that they made no mention of a third Elder being present until they were specifically asked. So my friend would have showed up at the K.H expecting 2 and finding 3.
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DO THREE ELDER'S MEAN IT IS JUDICIAL?!?
by DATA-DOG ini have a friend who met with a couple of elders recently and i was told things went well, no issues.
well a couple weeks later they stopped by my friends place, ( just to say hi ) right before they left they said, " hey can we meet again?
my friend said, " sure ".
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So in a JC, are thier 4 Elders? 3 on the JC an 1 chairman? I am doubting it is a JC because they have the first 2 Elders from the first meeting. Wouldn't they have all new Elders?
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DO THREE ELDER'S MEAN IT IS JUDICIAL?!?
by DATA-DOG ini have a friend who met with a couple of elders recently and i was told things went well, no issues.
well a couple weeks later they stopped by my friends place, ( just to say hi ) right before they left they said, " hey can we meet again?
my friend said, " sure ".
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My friend has no position in the conregation, and is a recent partaker. They spoke to one of the Elders about congregational procedures that, in thier opinion, should be reconsidered because they were harming the friends. Then they met with the Elders, ( 2 at the Elder's request ) and made it clear that the Elders were responsible for the flock and as such had the final say. My friend made it very clear that the matter was " in Jehovah's hands " and taken care of as far as they are concerned, and considered the matter closed.
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DO THREE ELDER'S MEAN IT IS JUDICIAL?!?
by DATA-DOG ini have a friend who met with a couple of elders recently and i was told things went well, no issues.
well a couple weeks later they stopped by my friends place, ( just to say hi ) right before they left they said, " hey can we meet again?
my friend said, " sure ".
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I have a friend who met with a couple of Elders recently and I was told things went well, no issues. Well a couple weeks later they stopped by my friends place, ( just to say hi ) right before they left they said, " Hey can we meet again? ". My friend said, " sure ". He was led to believe that he would be meeting with the same two Elders as before, come to find out there will be three Elders present. So I am thinking that either the first 2 Elders misled my friend into believing everything was good, even though he was perfectly honest with them, or other Elders do not believe their fellow Elders. What do you think? Should my friend stall for time? I told my friend he should ask why the matter is not considered handled since he met with 2 Elders ( two witnesses ), and the matter should be " firmly established " and over? Are they fishing for information? Thanks in advance.
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When was the last time you had someone appointed in your cong?
by Splash infor my cong, apart from those moving in, we last had an elder appointed 16 years ago.. we last had some ms's appointed about 3 years ago.. our boe are getting old, 3 in their 80's, 1 in his 70's and three in their 60's.. they all work hard, but when their time comes, they deteriorate quickly.. splash.
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I do think this is a huge problem for the Organization. So here they are drifting further and further from what the Bible really teaches( pun intended), the corporation is running the show, the tail is wagging the dog. As a result the men being are used are chosen for corporate reasons, not spiritual reasons. That is not to say they don't have spiritual qualities. It is just that the legal, corporate, organizational, listen to mother, GB worshipping mentality trumps any biblical principles. That, I feel is the reality.
Why can you show an Elder a clear scriptural teaching, even using the exact method they are so proud of, i.e, Pick a subject, look up every scripture, use a concordance, believe the scriptures, and they still cannot accept it?! Thier minds are veiled. It does not matter what the word of God says, it only matters what the GB tells you it says. No one is reading the Bible unless it is the strung together snippets in the watchtower study, which exist only to direct the sheeples thoughts in a certain direction, the corporate one. If you are reading this and getting it, then be grateful, you are in the minority.
This subject could be talked about forever. I guess it boils down to this: Corporate, legal and secular thinking along with idolizing men have created an enviroment where true faith in Christ is almost non-existent. Yes, he is believed in, and mentioned where neccessary, but the real trust goes to the Governing Body. What they, not the word of God says, has the final say. If you do not believe that you limited options. You can go into stealth mode and keep your head down, and see how long you can take it. You can stand up and tell the truth immediately and be DF"d and lose everything, including your family. My personal hope is that I can plant some seeds of truth, and that soon things will get so bad inside the org, that some can be reasoned with. Either way my time is limited, because I simply will not go door to door and say something that is not true. I will probably end up inactive. Since a couple Elder's know I celebrated the passover privately, because my wife turned me in out of love ( probably sincerely, just misguided ) I could end up being labled as just another mentally and emotionally unbalanced one. I can deal with that. I have learned how liberating it is to know the truth, and the feeling of a clean conscience before God and Christ, and men. No one can take that away from you. Being free from cognitive dissonance is incredible as well.
So this whole needing more men to step up, and getting very few, is a reap what you sow situation. If you want corporate yes-men, who question nothing, well you have them. They can give announcements, and hand out magazines and give 30min manuscript talks, and vacuum after the meeting. They can hand out talk slips and count money, and cut the grass, and change the lightbulbs. They can go door to door and regurgitate and presentation for 10hrs a month. They can do whatever the Elders say without question. Can they give any real spiritual help if it is needed? I would say that is very rare. They just don't have the life experience coupled with a love of God's word and a real, personal, relationship with their creator. God is a nebulous figure somewhere off in the distant future, while the GB are the reality, the golden calf, easily discerned, and easily followed.
Here is something to think about. If you are recommended as a servant, it is kept secret. This is after a long meeting goimg over brother so-and-so's " spiritual " qualifications. Basically not much matters except getting the required hours and not making waves. Your name and stats are sent to the branch. Some unknown person looks at the information, and checks a box, yes or no. Absolutely no Holy Spirit is involved whatsoever. So the Elders get your card and then they have you in for another chat. They ask you three question from the Shepherding book. One is have you ever been involved in child-molestation? Why do they ask these questions? Legal and corporate considerations, the Holy Spirit is not involved. It God's spirit was involved there would be no need ask these questions before the appointment was announced to the Congregation. You would never get that far if the Holy Spirit was involved in the first place. The Holy Spirit recommends you to the Elders when they have thier meeting? Then it recommends you again at the branch, directing and unknown brother to check the " yes " box? Then the Elders have to ask you more questions!? Did the Holy Spirit, God's most powerful force in the universe know know whether or not someone was a child molester?! Did the Holy Spirit, the most powerful force in the universe not know that you didn't qualify?!
The truth is that the Holy Spirit is out of the picture. Legal, corporate and organizational procedures have the final say. It is a sad situation. No offense intended towards the younger one's trying thier best. They are being used by a business run by lawyers and men who are under an operation of error, they just don't know it.
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The Governing Body intends to announce significant changes in academic literature (DOCTRINES) - Brazil
by Dogpatch indear randall.
good morning!.
here is the daniel of brazil (former bethel).. this week at the forum of former jehovah's witnesses had an interesting news!
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The Governing Body intends to announce significant changes in academic literature (DOCTRINES) - Brazil
by Dogpatch indear randall.
good morning!.
here is the daniel of brazil (former bethel).. this week at the forum of former jehovah's witnesses had an interesting news!
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Ok 00DAD, how about:
Cutting expenses = no more literature printed accept for a few items that must be ordered throught the Kingdom Hall literature desk. There will be no stock or very little kept on hand, only special items. You must donate at the time of pick-up. Strongly suggest a price that ensures a profit margin for anything printed, without saying it outright. Close down ALL but a few key branches, and kick everyone who is not essential out into the field ministry. Through talks at CA's and DC's show these newly released ones to be a new special class of workers...mmmm..11th hour workers!! Genuis!!! The local friends who have no past records of child abuse will be strongly encouraged to support these special ones with financial help! Perhaps even with room and board. These special 11th hour workers will be so special that they are not required to work secularly more than 10 hrs per week, so that they can make new converts. Also, you must obtain any and all literature for service,( except special items at the KH ) online. you must pay for printing out the literature yourself on your printer at home, because we are switching to tracts only. You can count your time for cutting and folding tracts! With the foreign language boom, you can have all kinds of happy dubs printing and folding all the live long day!! So all the rank and file are bamboozled into believing they are getting a break, and that the GB are spirit directed geniuses who have once again revolutionized the preaching work!! Plus the 11th hour title will prove that the end is....SOON!!! I should be GB member!!
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When was the last time you had someone appointed in your cong?
by Splash infor my cong, apart from those moving in, we last had an elder appointed 16 years ago.. we last had some ms's appointed about 3 years ago.. our boe are getting old, 3 in their 80's, 1 in his 70's and three in their 60's.. they all work hard, but when their time comes, they deteriorate quickly.. splash.
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@ Ninja-matty69, First off, awesome name!! Secondly, yes I am a born in Witness. I still attend meetings. I have been aware of problems in the organization for some time. I still believe in our Heavenly Father YHWH, or Jehovah, I don't think it matters how you refer to him as long as you are sincere. Know one knows how to pronounce his name. it is not a salvation issue in my opinion. I also celebrated the memorial this year in private. I believe that the heavenly calling never closed. All the Rutherford theories on that were wrong and teachings of men. I feel that all true christians partake because it is a command to do so. I do believe in Christianity, but I do not believe the WTBTS is, or ever was God's sole channel for truth. Careful and honest research will prove that to be true. " Captives of a Concept " is an excellent book for anyone to read, as well as any older or out of print publications. Also, anything by Ray Franz. The sole channel is GOD's word and the discernment that the Holy Spirit provides. The organization is not anyone's spiritual "mother ". I am just a person trying to serve God without lies and hypocrisy, and do not consider myself above anyone. I also do not judge any of the brothers and sisters. i just believe that they have been lied to by men who themselves have been lied to. Also, any at the top who know the truth about the " truth " and continue to demand obedience will be held accountable. I hope no one is offended.
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When was the last time you had someone appointed in your cong?
by Splash infor my cong, apart from those moving in, we last had an elder appointed 16 years ago.. we last had some ms's appointed about 3 years ago.. our boe are getting old, 3 in their 80's, 1 in his 70's and three in their 60's.. they all work hard, but when their time comes, they deteriorate quickly.. splash.
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In my congregation there have been no appointments for about 5 or 6 years. Only new people moving in to escape thier congregations and come to where the grass is a little greener. No one is good enough to make the cut. Or like me, the refuse to accept the job. Once you are of a certain age and awareness level, you have nothing they want, or can use. They sure don't want a confident, faithful, Christian speaking truth from a stage.