No. There is no hierarchy for dubs. All are equal. That's why they have dinners for everyone not just pioneers. That' why they take everyone out for dinner at Applebees, not just the new MS. That's why not just Elders wives and pioneers are involved in key decisions about decorating the Hall, or organizing events. That's why....uh..mmm..never mind....
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Is "full-time service" a cult within a cult?
by brokethechain inaccording to the bite model, mind control groups keep their members busy, tell them they are special, have special lingo, etc.. doesn't that make "full-time ministers" into a deeper level of mind control?
it's a "special privilege" to be among those "ranks", there are extra meetings "anual pioneer meeting", "pioneer school", and a whole other level of guilt/indocrination/control for keeping pioneers/bethelites busy.
as "examples", they shouldn't socialize too much, they shouldn't miss field service groups, they should start their time early, they should study all the publications, etc.
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Bible Character Cards on jw.org??
by Scully ini'm not joking.
this is in the family/children section on jw.org - mary - joshua - daniel - ruth - and more!.
i'm lmao that these are so similar to hockey cards or baseball cards that my siblings and i used to get in trouble for collecting when we were kids.
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OMG!!! What if we could get them signed by the GB members!! We could make an RPG board game out of them! LOL!! Mark my words, the day is coming when the rank-and-file print literature at their own expense from jw.org. Printing and folding for family worship night- distribute on Saturday Morning.....
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The WTBT$ summed up in one sentence!!
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it's a travesty of a mockery of a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham.. .
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That's good too! I just loved that first quote when I heard it years ago. It's one that pops into my head periodically. I thought it applied.
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The WTBT$ summed up in one sentence!!
by DATA-DOG in.
it's a travesty of a mockery of a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham.. .
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It's a travesty of a mockery of a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham.
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Mother of All Mistakes!
by Marvin Shilmer inmother of all mistakes!.
today i added a new article to my blog addressing what should probably be ranked as the biggest mistake possible made by watchtowers top leadership.
the material is documented by a new release by watchtower dated november 9, 2012. .
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00DAD, said " Marvin, I'll go with choice #2: They're ignorant, and not just about this, but about a whole lot of other things! "
Ignorant......, but you had better obey, or else!!!!
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New Light or A More Tangled Web?
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NEW LIGHT (tm) !!!!
" It's a travesty of a mockery of a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham. "
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Man's natural reaction to an encounter with the LIVING God
by Terry inworship is man's natural reaction to an encounter with the living god.
for humans unacquainted with anything but a book or a prayer or a seat in an arena where "god" is spoken it is a 2nd level intellectual or emotional experience.
not reality.. idolatry becomes necessary.. what better way to serve an unknown and unknowable except by erecting a helpful worship aid: image?.
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Terry, like it or not YOU are a faithful and discreet slave according to Christ, imo. I used to think I was, then I knew I wasn't, then I thought I could be, now I just don't know..I just am. JW rank and files are trying. Their leaders are haughty. I feel sorry for them. I am not better than them. I may be worse. At least they are sincere. I am just bitter, and angry and tired. Perhaps like Tammy says I have fear. I know I have fear. I know my life as I know it will be destroyed if I shine, so I hide it. Hiding your light is what slowly kills you day by day... Perhaps it is just a phase. I heard someone say that you can't rush a metamorphosis from caterpillar to butterfly. You may want to help that caterpillar, but you will only damage it. People are that way. Sometimes your hands are tied. You have to let things run their course. At any rate, I found your post encouraging. I am not the best person or JW or Christian, but now, I can spot an idol when I see it. I guess that counts for something. It's a step in the right direction.
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New Light - FDS not appointed over Jesus' belonging just yet
by leaving_quietly infrom http://www.jw.org/en/news/events-activities/annual-meeting-report-2012/.
when does jesus appoint the slave over all his belongings?.
in those verses, jesus is referring to his coming as judge during the great tribulation.matthew 24:30; 25:31, 32.. jesus appointment of the slave over his belongings, then, must also be a future event.
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The symposium answered the following questions:
When Did Jesus Appoint "the Faithful and Discreet Slave" Over His Domestics?
Consider the context of Jesus' words in Matthew chapter 24. All the verses listed here were to be fulfilled during Christ's presence, "the conclusion of the system of things."-Verse 3.
- "The tribulation of those days."-Verse 29.
- "This generation."-Verse 34.
- "That day and hour."-Verse 36.
- The "day your Lord is coming."-Verse 42.
- "At an hour that you do not think to be it, the Son of man is coming."-Verse 44.
Logically, then, "the faithful and discreet slave" must have appeared after Christ's presence began in 1914.
Moreover, Jesus indicated that this "slave" would appear during a time when a legitimate question would be: "Who really is the faithful and discreet slave?" Jesus' apostles had miraculous gifts of holy spirit, so there was scant reason to raise that question in the first century C.E. (1 Corinthians 14:12, 24, 25) Although they were anointed by holy spirit, the apostles and other first-century Christians were not "the faithful and discreet slave" prophesied by Jesus.
It is reasonable to conclude, then, that Jesus appointed "the faithful and discreet slave" over "his domestics" during his presence, "the conclusion of the system of things."
"Who Really Is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?"
Jesus was referring, not to an individual, but to a composite "slave"-a group working together as one body. Jesus said that the slave (1) is appointed to a supervisory role "over [the master's] domestics" and (2) gives the domestics spiritual "food at the proper time."
From 1919 on, there has always been a small group of anointed Christians at the world headquarters of Jehovah's Witnesses. They have supervised our worldwide preaching work and have been directly involved in preparing and dispensing spiritual food. In recent years, that group has been closely identified with the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses.
The evidence points to the following conclusion: "The faithful and discreet slave" was appointed over Jesus' domestics in 1919. That slave is the small, composite group of anointed brothers serving at world headquarters during Christ's presence who are directly involved in preparing and dispensing spiritual food. When this group work together as the Governing Body, they act as "the faithful and discreet slave."
Who Are the "Domestics"?
Jesus said that "his domestics" would receive "food at the proper time." All genuine followers of Jesus are fed by "the faithful and discreet slave." Therefore, all of Christ's disciples-both individual anointed Christians and members of the "other sheep"-are "his domestics."-John 10:16.
After the speaker explained this aspect of Jesus' prophecy, the audience erupted in sustained applause. Several in attendance later expressed their profound gratitude that Jesus considers them among "his domestics."
THEY ARE STILL GOING TO CLAIM AUTHORITY OVER THE R&F. THEY BELIEVE THEY WERE PLACED OVER THE DOMESTICS IN 1919, THEY ARE ONLY AWAITING BEING PLACED OVER THE " BELONGINGS ". THEY WILL NOT DROP 1914 BECAUSE THEY MUST HAVE THE INVISIBLE PRESCENSE SINCE THIS IS WHEN THE SLAVE WAS APPOINTED OVER THE DOMESTICS. THEY WILL STILL DF YOU. THEY ARE NOW THE POPES OF THE WATCHTOWER. LOOK FOR MORE WATCHTARDED ARTICLES ABOUT THE END BEING SOON, AND HOW SLOWING DOWN IN FIELD SERVICE MEANS YOU ARE WEAK AND LACK FAITH. SOON..SUCH A RELATIVE TERM. SLAVE FOR THE SLAVE WHILE THERE IS STILL TIME!!
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New Light or A More Tangled Web?
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The revised identity of the "Slave" as a small group of anointed brothers at Watch Tower world headquarters, working together as a governing body, from 1919 CE to the present, leaves the master's household uncared-for in the centuries between 33 CE and 1919 CE. By design, this revised interpretation bolsters the exclusivity and importance of today's leadership in the Watch Tower community
This is good. You should expand on this thought for lurkers.
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Irondork said
Regarding 1914: The January 1, 1908 WT stated: "We are not prophesying; we are merely giving our surmises . . . We do not even aver that there is no mistake in our interpretation of prophecy and our calculations of chronology. We have merely laid these before you,leaving it for each to exercise his own faith or doubt in respect to them."
Regarding the calculations of chronology leading to the year 1914, what happens if I choose the "doubt" option being offered by the January 1, 1908 Watchtower? Will I be allowed to carry on inside the spiritual paradise, arm in arm with my family and freinds? Or will I be called into a back room with three men waiting to end those relationships?
AMEN Bro!!!
Minimus said " Ultimate, all those quotes are meaningless. Russell wasn't even a member of the Faithful Slave! His words mean as much as George Storrs. "
OHHHH SNAP!!!!! MARKING!!!!!!