I would simply say, "The WatchTower apostasized from God before, during, and after 1919 through false prophecies. They are not God's chosen organization."
Posts by Emery
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24The only thing a JW needs to know to be set free from their religion
by yadda yadda 2 inbillions of human beings right now are muslims, hindus, buddhists, etc, etc.
they do not know a jot about 'jehovah' or the 'watchtower bible & tract society of new york" etc etc.
what is going to happen to these billions of persons at armageddon?.
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Can losing faith in God be a disfellowshipping offense?
by Emery ini have been pondering this question for awhile.
say a person during a shepherding visit with the elders were to simply state that they had lost their faith in god because of the subject of suffering-- would the elders still have grounds to disfellowship them even if the person did not actually commit a sinful offense?
instead of diving into all the errors, false prophecies, and lies advanced by the organization can somebody simply say, "i have lost faith in jehovah" and walk away without being publically denounced?
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TheOldHippie, I wanted to know how elders would possibly react towards someone who becomes inactive because of lost faith. I will agree that if you're disrespectful and militant in your disbelief they will feel threatened. If you show a sincere and loving attitude, without disrespecting the bible, the elders, or the God they worship I think you can walk away. I am having a hard time seeing lost faith resulting in judicial action if you voice these issues respecfully. I have been researching possible arguments for this and I have found 2 scriptures elders may use against this.
Hebrews 11:6 - And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.
Revelation 3:16 - So, because you are lukewarm--neither hot nor cold--I am about to spit you out of my mouth.
These scriptures of course I've found to be within the context of God's final judgment, not congregational decisions in the here and now. However, this scripture could be used in defense of having lost faith.
Romans 14: 1, 4 - " Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters . Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand. "
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Can losing faith in God be a disfellowshipping offense?
by Emery ini have been pondering this question for awhile.
say a person during a shepherding visit with the elders were to simply state that they had lost their faith in god because of the subject of suffering-- would the elders still have grounds to disfellowship them even if the person did not actually commit a sinful offense?
instead of diving into all the errors, false prophecies, and lies advanced by the organization can somebody simply say, "i have lost faith in jehovah" and walk away without being publically denounced?
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What if you say that you haven't completely ruled God out of your life but that you're struggling to sustain faith in a world with so much suffering? In their minds, this may leave the door indefinitely open for a return. I remember reading a situation where a JW made it known that he had lost his faith but was not disciplined because no gross sin was committed before God. They did have a local needs talk about it and word got around that the guy was bad association.
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If there really is no God...
by Monsieur inif there really is no god, then man really only has himself to blame for all this mess.... .
blaming god or satan would only seem like a cop - out, and an excuse for opression.. man may not be able to stop a tsunami or a hurricane, but we can absolutely stop wars and opression, violence and hatred.. come on people!!!
why is this so difficult to accomplish when we have the capacity to do so???
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I thought about this as well but in a positive light. IF there is no God, humans inherently know what good is, what morality is, what good ethics are, and everything else that has been written in the bible and attributed to God. The concept that man has no moral compass outside of God is a lie.
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Can losing faith in God be a disfellowshipping offense?
by Emery ini have been pondering this question for awhile.
say a person during a shepherding visit with the elders were to simply state that they had lost their faith in god because of the subject of suffering-- would the elders still have grounds to disfellowship them even if the person did not actually commit a sinful offense?
instead of diving into all the errors, false prophecies, and lies advanced by the organization can somebody simply say, "i have lost faith in jehovah" and walk away without being publically denounced?
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BOC, how did you relay your disbelief to the elders if you don't mind me asking?
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Can losing faith in God be a disfellowshipping offense?
by Emery ini have been pondering this question for awhile.
say a person during a shepherding visit with the elders were to simply state that they had lost their faith in god because of the subject of suffering-- would the elders still have grounds to disfellowship them even if the person did not actually commit a sinful offense?
instead of diving into all the errors, false prophecies, and lies advanced by the organization can somebody simply say, "i have lost faith in jehovah" and walk away without being publically denounced?
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I have been pondering this question for awhile. Say a person during a shepherding visit with the elders were to simply state that they had lost their faith in God because of the subject of suffering-- would the elders still have grounds to disfellowship them even if the person did not actually commit a sinful offense? Instead of diving into all the errors, false prophecies, and lies advanced by the organization can somebody simply say, "I have lost faith in Jehovah" and walk away without being publically denounced?
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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 05-12-2013 WT Study (HEART)
by blondie ini will give them a. heart to know me, that.
figs: i will give them a heart to know me, that i. am jehovah; and they must become my people.
give them a heart to know him.
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I just so happen to like my foreskinned heart thank you very much.
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Who has experienced a REAL demonic incident?
by Monsieur inhas anybody here experienced a bonafide, real, true incident in whicy 'demons' actually interacted with you or did something 'supernatural' that left you convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that satan and his demons exist??.
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@Mad Sweeney, I don't know why you have to constantly reassure us of your views as nobody has for it. Sounds like you have you keep repeating this to yourself for fear of actually believing it. Again, I don't say this to convince you or anyone else, I am merely relaying something that I myself felt was real. I understand how ridiculous it can sound to skeptics because I myself was skeptical but no psychological analysis or study I've read yet has factually or scientifically proven paranormal activity as false. I can't prove it to you anymore than you can disprove it to me. If you don't have an experience, move on and post on another thread.
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Who has experienced a REAL demonic incident?
by Monsieur inhas anybody here experienced a bonafide, real, true incident in whicy 'demons' actually interacted with you or did something 'supernatural' that left you convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that satan and his demons exist??.
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I've had an experience but I don't expect people to believe it haha. It's one of the main reasons I am agnostic rather than athiest. Just because some paranormal incident occurs doesn't mean the Judeo-Christian "demons" of the bible caused it. I have no idea what it was or what caused it, but I can say without a doubt it was real.
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OMG He is so delusional!
by Iamallcool injohnny the mysterious bethelite shows up on the six screens "late night with the twins" program april, 20, 2013. .
johnny claims to be an active bethelite and is serving as a "mole" (an insider divulging adverse information about the watchtower) and uses the six screens tele-network as a conduit to speak up.. .
if you are an active or former jehovah's witness listen in to johnny, you will be shocked... johnny says he was offered jw sisters by a governing body member in an attempt to quiet him..
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I was turned off by what "apostates" had to say for a LONG time because of that goon at Six Screens. I wish I had seen Ray Franz speak or someone similar, I would have left the borg a LOT sooner.