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  Nugget and I have been married 24 years today and our son is 10!

  by cantleave in

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  so glad we are out the cult together it makes occassions like this so much more special..

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  jeremiah18:5-10

  Happy anniversary!!! My wife and I are only 2 years behind you and my son is 10 too!

  Enjoy your blessed day.
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  Another benefit to being an ex-jw

  by jeremiah18:5-10 in

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  this year my wife, kids and i are celebrating christmas and birthdays for the first time.

  having been a born-in, i was raised to believe that these events were not only pagan in origin, but also self-promoting and greedy.

  what i have learned as the year as progressed and as christmas gets closer is quite the opposite.. as it turns out, my wife and i never learned how to give gifts and to shop for other people, neither have my kids.

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  jeremiah18:5-10

  This year my wife, kids and I are celebrating Christmas and birthdays for the first time. Having been a born-in, I was raised to believe that these events were not only pagan in origin, but also self-promoting and greedy. What I have learned as the year as progressed and as Christmas gets closer is quite the opposite.

  As it turns out, my wife and I never learned how to give gifts and to shop for other people, neither have my kids. Instead we always just bought thngs as needed and typically without much thought or sentiment. That's what you learn as a JW. Now we are all learning the joy of giving.

  We are each getting $500 or so to spend on xmas gifts, and none of it can be spent on ourself. We have to take an interest in each other and our friends to find out what their interests are and then buy gifts for them. We are left trusting that they are doing the same for us. It has proven to be a great life-lesson, not just for my kids but for my wife and I as well. We are all learning to be unselfish and generous.

  I hate that I missed out on this all of my life. I hate that my kids (13 and 10) have missed out until now. I'm sad and disgusted that the WTS misconstrues these events as being selfish and greedy. We're seeing them to be totally the opposite.
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  Do You Realize That Almost EVERY Society Publication Is "Old Light" Now?

  by minimus in

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  now that the "faithful & discreet slave class" has become essentially the governing body since 1919, almost every publication is obsolete and useless!

  (i know, they are useless)..... the fds doctrine is a core teaching unique to jehovah's witnesses and now i believe they will have to change all of their understandings that are recorded in the revelation climax book, ezekiel books---every prophetic book written by the society!.

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  sir82: Reminds me of my job. I work for a franchise and every time the corporation wants a quick infusion of cash, they change the uniforms. Thus requiring all 4000+ restaurants, all with 20+ employees to have to purchase new uniforms for their employees. This just happened recently and just with my 7 restaurants that resulted in $2500. They just took in a quick 2-3 million dollars.

  Pretty smart way to infuse cash into the corporation. Just change the look.
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  According to the Bible, was Jesus attempting to start a "movement"?

  by jeremiah18:5-10 in

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  all christian religions assume that to be the case, thus organizations, clergy, laity, r&f, etc.. christianity (religion) is nothing more than corporate big business.

  is this what jesus was trying to do?.

  in my reading of the gospel accounts, it seems jesus was just the opposite.

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  jeremiah18:5-10

  All Christian religions assume that to be the case, thus organizations, clergy, laity, R&F, etc.

  Christianity (religion) is nothing more than corporate big business. Is this what Jesus was trying to do?

  In my reading of the Gospel accounts, it seems Jesus was just the opposite. He sought to attract individuals and to change their way of life. He saw people as oppressed, mistreated, and abused. He emphasized a personal accountability and spirituality. He directed people to God and brought God to life through his teachings and illustrations.

  Christian religions dig through the Gospels seeking to find a way to justify their existence and authority, investing endless amounts of time, energy, and money into striving after this coveted power and authority. They miss the whole point of Jesus' ministry.

  WTBTS is no different. They do not have a "noble" intention or motivation. their desire is solely to more firmly entrench their limited authority and try to make it absolute. This new understanding of the FDS illustrates this point perfectly. They are "elitists"that want power and authority for themselves. always have been and always will be.

  Jesus went so far as to say, "my kingdom is no part of this world". He simply didn't desire to set up any sort of "organization" or church or kingdom. His followers wanted him to, and they desired positions of prominence in it. But Jesus recognized such as fleshly desires not spiritual desires.

  The entire concept of Christianity in the NT is of a personal nature, empowering and training ones' conscience and learning to focus on their personal relationship with God through Jesus. Any and all efforts to involve men and fleshly authorities worked contrary to that mission. Even Paul wrote that he was nothing more than a planter or a waterer, God was the one who causes growth. He recognized that he wasn't anything special and only focused on his "authority" when defending himself from attacks by authority-hungry individuals in the congregations.

  All of this crap sickens me. I hate what "religion" has done to such a pure concept and a conceptually great way of life.
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  2012 annual meeting notes

  by lostinthought in

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  sorry for the wait guys.... .

  part one.

  moorse had the opening comments talked about historic annual meetings.. .

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  jeremiah18:5-10

  This is a truly interesting development.

  I'm prompted to ponder if Anointedjw.org has had anything to do with this. For the last year they have written very deep, informative articles focusing on the true hope of the Bible, the earth, "sonship", among other things. They have sent weekly letters to the GB/ Writing Dept calling for reform and adjustment in teachings in order to accept "fellow sons".

  Their efforts are completely based on the premise that all anointed are part of the FDS and thus their authority to write these articles and letters and submit them. It looks to me like the GB couldn't dispute any of it and this was the easiest way to quell their efforts among the R&F.

  From all indications, the site has had a flood of interest from current JW's of all rank. (Of course all posted and claimed results can be subjective and debatable.)

  While this site has been largely disregarded on this forum, I think it will prove to be an interesting read over the next few weeks/months to see how they react to this "new light" from the GB.
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  Jwfacts-- Why So Many Contradictions?

  by Recovery in

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  i am well aware that many members of this board adhere to the view that the wt and/or the bible is contradictory.

  the question is: if paul grundy is so enlightened as to 'the truth about the truth', why is he so contradictory?.

  jwfacts to me (in a personal message): "much of the information at jwfacts.com is from the research of people far more gifted then me,and comes from jwn.

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  jeremiah18:5-10

  Sarcasm isn't very good when you don't do it right or have to explain it. In my haste I put quotation marks in the wrong place.

  Should've been J.W. "facts"- Why so many contradictions?

  ie Blood, GB, G.C., H.S., DFing, UN stance, Child Abuse/Protection; etc, etc, etc
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  Jwfacts-- Why So Many Contradictions?

  by Recovery in

  1. watchtower
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  i am well aware that many members of this board adhere to the view that the wt and/or the bible is contradictory.

  the question is: if paul grundy is so enlightened as to 'the truth about the truth', why is he so contradictory?.

  jwfacts to me (in a personal message): "much of the information at jwfacts.com is from the research of people far more gifted then me,and comes from jwn.

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  NJY- ummm, it was sarcasm
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  Jwfacts-- Why So Many Contradictions?

  by Recovery in

  1. watchtower
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  i am well aware that many members of this board adhere to the view that the wt and/or the bible is contradictory.

  the question is: if paul grundy is so enlightened as to 'the truth about the truth', why is he so contradictory?.

  jwfacts to me (in a personal message): "much of the information at jwfacts.com is from the research of people far more gifted then me,and comes from jwn.

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  jeremiah18:5-10

  Perhaps Recovery actually meant "J.W. facts-why so many contradictions?"

  Just so perplexed that Recovery forgot to use punctuation properly.

  Maybe Recovery's actually coming around and beginning to see the light as he personally reflects on the things he's reading here. LOL
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  JWs are attending the OSCE meeting in Warsaw as a Non-Governmental Organization (NGO) & giving presentations

  by AndersonsInfo in

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  watchtower representatives (jehovahs christian witnesses) are once again attending the osce, organization for security and co-operation in europe,meeting in warsaw on september 24 - oct. 5, 2012. http://www.osce.org/hdim_2012to see jehovahs witnesses listed as a non-governmental organization, click on http://www.osce.org/hdim_2012?view=conference_documents&display=page_2&arg=92455.

  please scroll down under non-governmental organization and click on administrative centre of jehovahs witnesses in russia as well as european association of jehovah's christian witnesses.

  once you click on them, you will be brought to a page with a list of all of their presentations at the osce.

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  Jwfacts-- More Lies But This Time About The Great Crowd

  by Recovery in

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  jwfacts has an article that explains why the great crowd must be in heaven.

  i am also aware that many of these are the same arguments that stemmed from the 'awakenings at bethel' so my statements are not simply attacks of jwfact's character (since these arguments are probably not original) but rather his copy and paste of what others have said instead of verifying it as 'fact' for himself.. so here are jwfacts arguments:.

  1. he shows that russell and rutherford (at some point) believed that the great crowd were in heaven.. 2. each term that describes the great crowd of revelation 7 is else used to described the anointed by the wt.

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  jeremiah18:5-10

  ChristAlone: I have to agree. Dissenting views are what breathes life into this site. Why would you stifle someone just because they frustrate you and you can't convince them to change their mind?

  Isn't that tantamount to the ill-prepared blinded JW at your door unable to answer simple questions so they resort to pitying you and "marking" you as undeserving and as a goat?

  If you don't want free exchange, exit the topic or return to the WT they love closed-minded individuals that can't think for themselves or defend their beliefs.

  Not directed at anyone in particular, just in general.