Again, the leap is made to assume GZ was "chasing" TM. He followed to maintain visual contact so as to report to the police where the guy was. That is not chasing. GZ did not attempt apprehension, at least there is no evidence to support that. GZ did not wait to call police until after apprehending or attempting to apprehend. I think you are missing key elements yourself Finklestein. We can only go by the evidence and testimony, logical leaps or filling in gaps or connecting the dots is reasonable doubt and the defendant gets the assumption of innocence not guilt. Thank God!!!!
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Worf there were no "official instructions not to get out of his car". If it was GZ intent to shoot TM then why call police first? Youre assertion does not make any sense and you misrepresent the evidence. I am sad that TM lost his life, I feel bad for his parents but that doesn't make it right to place fault on GZ for seeking to protect his neighborhood and to call police about a suspicious person, whether criminally profiled or not. Two wrongs don't make a right.
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Perhaps they will be more inclined to actually help when someone is crying for help so that a shooting may not occur.
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Don't ever....ever...EVER forget these came from the FDS and Governing Body
by Terry inwe do well to bear in mind that among the drugs, serums, vaccines, surgical operations, etc., of the medical profession, there is nothing of value save an occasional surgical proceedure.
their so-called "science" grew out of egyptian black magic and has not lost its demonological character.... we shall be in a sad plight when we place the welfare of the race in their hands.
[1] 1. the golden age, aug. 5, 1931, p. 727.. the journal of the a. m. a. is the vilest sheet that passes the united states mail.... nothing new and useful in theraputics escapes its unqualified condemnation.
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I think the only "positive" thing I can say about any of those quotes or positions is, they used to be pretty bold and took a position regardless of whether politically correct or not. Today they seem to be as politically correct as any other form of media, with watered-down articles and very little strong positions aside from putting down education and apostates. Even their articles on education are not that strong, they take a stronger position verbally than they do in written form, probably intentionally as verbal arguments are much easier to dismiss whereas the written word is more permanent (although now with the WT going mainly to digital media they can revise anything they get heat on).
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What's The STRANGEST Thing You've Seen At A Kingdom Hall?
by minimus ini saw a fight break out on the platform between an elder and a unbelieving husband who accused the elder of f---ing his wife.
he then threw the lectern on the floor and pushed the elder.
it was cool.......
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On at least two occasions my dad fell asleep at bad times. Once conducting the book study at a house that the family kept the house like 80-85 degrees. Everyone waited patiently until my mom pinched his leg and woke him up. On another occasion he fell asleep as the WT reader. Hilarious. Oh yeah, on another occasion he passed gas very loudly while being the WT reader, all of this while being an elder. My brother's and I found him to be hilarious. He didn't care, he had no problem laughing at himself.
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Also of interest is there was no evidence that GZ even hit TM at all, TM didn't have any wound aside from the gunshot wound, whereas GZ was pummeled. It appears, based on evidence available that GZ didn't "fight" at all and didn't even get a punch in. That makes ot appear that he was ambushed. How do you argue that?
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I haven't read all previous comments yet, sorry if this is a repeat. GZ got out of his vehicle to try and keep visual contact. He had called police and was waiting for them to do the confronting. GZ avoided earlier opportunity to confront. When he was instructed not to follow, he stopped. He slowly walked back toward his vehicle, still hoping to catch a glimpse of TM, on the call you still hear wind but his voice is calm, normal, no evidence of running or walking fast, no shortness of breath. TM chose to confront GZ as opposed to just going home. TM got pissed by GZ "following" him, aka attempting to keep visual contact. All indications are that GZ didn't want a verbal or physical confrontation, thus calling 911. If he were an alleged vigilante, the call would've been after the fact. TM chose the confrontation route, not GZ. Keeping visual contact is not provocation or confronting. TM apparently felt empowered though not armed. The correct verdict was reached.
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Who I really am, my story on YOUTUBE!
by Gojira_101 inthe death of a jw and the birth of me the apostate.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2lwgowdpj8.
a huge thanks to my friend ray publisher (jwstruggle) for posting my video for me.
now that i am no longer held prisoner from the fear of watchtower, i can now help others!.
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Bravo! Bravo! Bravo! Your conviction and integrity ate inspiring. May your bravery inspire others to take a stand and "walk in their integrity" too. Good luck!
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Ideas to wake up the JW 'Feelers'
by Captain Obvious ina great point was made by neverknew on another thread about certain doctrinal issues will cause a 'thinker' to wake up, but a 'feeler' will just shrug and carry on.
the feeler jw is often not stupid, but intellectually lazy.
they will often not bother to do research, whatever is said from the platform is fine.
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I suspect that those who are born in, as I was, are kept there because they feel safe. Its the only social circle they've ever known. Where else would they go? The big bad evil world?
Why not attempt to make some friends with some nice moral worldly couples and gently integrate them into your social circle, thus helping her to see the big bad evil world isn't at all like the society paints it to be. Then it will be easier for her to let go gradually, just fade into the background and escape without her even knowing it? She would replace the void the society fills for her and she wouldn't need it anymore.
Just an idea.
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Today is our 22nd anniversary!!!
by jeremiah18:5-10 ini just wanted to take a moment to acknowledge today as my 22nd wedding anniversary.
fortunately its the 5th one for my wife and i outside of the borg.
i've been working out of town, my job has moved me to tulsa, family soon to follow, but get to spend a happy day with my wife (enlightened ephesian) today.
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Thanks for all the well-wishes.
Frownedupon, I have replied to your pm
Robert-I guess what has helped the most in leaving wt is doing it together, independent study, and research of sites like jwfacts, jwsurvey, and jwstruggle. We both read coc and read the bible for the first time ever without the pre concieved teachings of wtbts. This was eye opening. We continue to be humble and hungry and keep our minds and hearts open. We don't have everything figured out and don't need to. We recognize wtbts for what it is and have completely rejected any supposed authority it has or any authority family may think they have and instead worry about pleasing each other and our children. We are just now making true friends that are unconditional.