Posts by BU2B

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Is it just me or has this site become a Believer/Atheist warzone?

by BU2B in

jw
friends

i enjoy the odd thread about evoloution vs creation, etc but lately it seems that a large percentage of threads here devolve into fighting between atheists and theists and distract from what most of us here see eye to eye on, the wt and related things.

i wish things could be more civil here and fr people to realize that people will never see eye to eye on the topic.

it gets so tiring to see the contstant bickring and fighting on those threads.. they seem to go on page after page but very little of substance is discussed seeing as the existence or non existence of a god can be proven by anyone.

BU2B

Thanks for the imput everyone, I appreciate all of your thoughts. It is true that after finding out TTATT many take it to the next logical point, which is questioning the Bible, and then maybe the thought of God. Sometimes the doubts about the Bible, or God come first,then paving the way for the thinking individual to learn TTATT.

Maybe I was wrong about scaring off newbies, after all this site helped wake me up slowly, and it didnt scare me away .

I love all you guys here, we are really the only people in the world who can really relate to and understand just what being an awakened/Concious class/aware ex-JW is like. This place helps me survive mentally.. If I could I would buy a cold one for everyone here or a cocktail for those who would prefer

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" Jehovah's Witnesses " were NOT Jonadabs!!??!?

by DATA-DOG in

2/15/1966 wt.

identifying the present-day beneficiaries.

15) in speaking of the marking work, page 111 of vindication said that this work of giving the testimony is not for the purpose of converting the people of the world and bringing them into some organization, but it is to make known the fact that those who desire to flee from the wicked organization of christendom may do so and declare themselves on the lords side, and thus be in line to be brought through the time of trouble, when the slaughtering begins.

BU2B

Good research and thoughts DD. It is SO OBVIOUS now that we have awakened from the fog of lies and deception that is the WT, that all that the Org is and has ever been is a man or group of men making it all up as they go along, all the while claiming that their authority comes directly from God, thereby commanding unquestioning obedience. All of the changes in meaning of GC, Other Sheep, Jonadabs, great multitude, who will and wont survive armageddon, get a resurection, and so on make it so clear that there is no way God ditrcted such twaddle. Just men with delusions of grandeur.

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Is it just me or has this site become a Believer/Atheist warzone?

by BU2B in

jw
friends

i enjoy the odd thread about evoloution vs creation, etc but lately it seems that a large percentage of threads here devolve into fighting between atheists and theists and distract from what most of us here see eye to eye on, the wt and related things.

i wish things could be more civil here and fr people to realize that people will never see eye to eye on the topic.

it gets so tiring to see the contstant bickring and fighting on those threads.. they seem to go on page after page but very little of substance is discussed seeing as the existence or non existence of a god can be proven by anyone.

BU2B

I enjoy the odd thread about evoloution vs creation, etc but lately it seems that a large percentage of threads here devolve into fighting between Atheists and Theists and distract from what most of us here see eye to eye on, the WT and related things. I wish things could be more civil here and fr people to realize that people will never see eye to eye on the topic.

It gets so tiring to see the contstant bickring and fighting on those threads.. They seem to go on page after page but very little of substance is discussed seeing as the existence or non existence of a god can be proven by anyone. No one can KNOW for sure. You can simply believe or not believe.

I fear that a doubting/struggling JW may come here and see the division and angry rhetoric here and think that the "society" is correct in the way they describe "apostates".

I hope I havent offended anyone in my little rant, but it is the way I feel for what it is worth.

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Tech49 visits Bethel: Part 1-Patterson

by Tech49 in

i thought that it was a good time to post my experience about visiting new york last spring.

enough time has passed that no one can put my experiences together with any kind of timeline..... so our family discussed the trip to the holy land (ny bethel), as none of us had ever been.

anyone who is anyone knows that you aren't really a good jw christian until you visit bethel!

BU2B

Looks like you just don't have the right heart condition tech49, that you couldn't see it as the spiritual paradise that it is! Don't you know that in the "new system" the whole world will be just like Patterson? Who wouldn't want to live in such holy, organized surroundings!

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New Article on BEARDS and Attire of Jehovah's Witnesses

by jwfacts in

i have had requests to add an article about beards and jehovah's witnesses.

it is interesting that there is virtually no statement that says a witness cannot have a beard, yet universally they do not have beards.

i have scoured quotes from all the threads on jwn, all references to beard on the cd watchtower library, and copies of elders letters that i have.

BU2B

I find it ironic that the pharasaical JWs like to invoke the "principles" of the mosaic law in many areas. One of these areas is tatoos. Tattoos are prohibited under the mosaic law, and are strongly discouraged by the WT. Ironically the verse before forbids the shaving of the beard. If JWs really were consistent they would require beards, not forbid them. Also one could argue that shaving is pagan. Did the Israelites shave? Did the early Christians? Why in a religion so hung up on pagan origins of anything and everything do they endorse the pagan roman and Greek custom of shaving?

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Baptism is a risk says JW.org - New YouTube video

by RayPublisher in

i've been working on this one for a few weeks and it is finally done.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inmzhysxa-o.

here's the description from the youtube video:.

baptism is a risk!

BU2B

I liked your video and article Eric B! Keep up the good work buddy, it encourages me

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MEXICO | Jehovah's Witness Family of 8 Massacred including three Children

by jwleaks in

jw
friends

eight family members killed in mexico massacremexico | november 17, 2013. mexican police found sunday a family of eight, including three children, stabbed to death and tied down in their home in the northern city of ciudad juarez.. a two-year-old boy survived the attack and was handed to neighbors, local police said.. the chihuahua state prosecutor's office said the assailants apparently forced their way inside the house and killed two men, three women and three children between the ages of four and six.. their mouths were covered with duct tape and their hands and feet were tied.

neighbors said they heard gun shots but authorities said the victims had stab wounds.. neighbors said the house owner was a car salesman.. the family was supposed to attend a meeting of jehovah's witnesses when they were attacked inside their home on sunday morning, according to testimonies.. they were discovered dead after members of the congregation went to look for them.. ciudad juarez, which borders the us state of texas, was once the deadliest city in mexico amid a turf war between drug cartels.. more than 10,000 people have been killed in the city since 2006 but the murder rate began to decline in 2011.. local officials say the drop in violence is due to tougher policing and crime prevention programs, but security experts believe it began to wane after the sinaloa drug cartel defeated the rival juarez gang.. read latest breaking news from newsmax.com http://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/mexico-crime-murder/2013/11/17/id/537112#ixzz2kziajt8f.

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BU2B

This is truly tragic.. Such evil people in the world.. This is no reflection on this poor family, but the god JWs claim to serve wiped out all humanity and animal life at the flood, along with ordering all of the residents of Palestine put to the sword, just like this family.. But of course that was divine justice to them??

Anyways bad things happen anywhere, but 10000 murders in one city since 2006??!!! That is one hideous tragic statistic.. My heart goes out to them and all of the other people who live their lives in terror in the failed state of Mexico. It is such a beautiful country, I hope that they can get this violence stopped.

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"They're only human!" (the most common defence of the Governing Body)

by Watchtower-Free in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkjk3eyd7ee.

BU2B

I thought we were not supposed to put our trust in nobles, or in the sons of earthling man (humans)?

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Barb Anderson relates amazing info about Knorr, also Senior Bethel Writers

by Dogpatch in

"is it possible that many of the organizational sexual policies began when (in the late 70s early 80s?

) some of the people at bethel and even some of the gb were found out to be visiting gay bars?

i did hear about some bethelites visiting gay bars or engaging in homosexual acts in the late 70s and early 80s and were asked to leave bethel.

BU2B

Wow this thread deserves a shameless BUMP!

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Wife and kids are officially OUT!!

by Oneoutallout in

my wife has told her jw best friend and jw sister that she is givng up the religion!!

and there was i worrying about losing her when i left the cult.

and, to top it all, my 15 and 13 year old children are using their critical thinking skills and can see it all for what it is.

BU2B

So happy for you! You are living the dream my friend.. As you know its not easy to exit the cult, and harder for your family to come to. I am so glad for you guys.. good luck on your bright future :)