Posts by BU2B

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The WT's biggest deception?

by BU2B in

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it just dawned on me that one of if not the most deceptive thing that the wt convinces the members of is that the truth does not stand up to investigation.

they teach that lies trump truth.

the reality of course is something entirely different.

BU2B

Not at all Island man! I appreciate it and take it as a compliment.

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The WT's biggest deception?

by BU2B in

jw
friends

it just dawned on me that one of if not the most deceptive thing that the wt convinces the members of is that the truth does not stand up to investigation.

they teach that lies trump truth.

the reality of course is something entirely different.

BU2B

It just dawned on me that one of if not the most deceptive thing that the WT convinces the members of is that the truth does not stand up to investigation. They teach that lies trump truth.

The reality of course is something entirely different. Logic and common sense tell us that if something is true, it has no need to hide from debate, or critical investigation. Truth does and will stand up after you investigate both sides of a story. How do you know if you are being decieved if you only get information from one source, one that stands to gain at that! The WT has commented to this effect at times. The following is from the Truth book. It is only one example.

Since we do not want our worship to be in vain, it is important for each one of us to examine his religion.

5 We need to examine, not only what we personally believe, but also what is taught by any religious organization with which we may be associated. Are its teachings in full harmony with God's Word, or are they based on the traditions of men? If we are lovers of the truth, there is nothing to fear from such an examination.

If it is true that truth has nothing to fear from a critical examination, why then do JWs not believe this? They have been lied to and taught that the TRUTH the only truth WILL NOT stand up under scrutiny. Even talking to a former member or visiting their blogs is going to lead you out of the "truth".

They have convinced their members that lies trump truth and truth crumbles under critical investigation. They warn of apostate deceptions, when in fact, "apostates" generally do nothing other than expose the WT deceptions and lies. They are yelling "PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN" and "LOOK AT THE EMPERORS WONDERFUL ROBES" when in fact he is naked.

When a JW reasons that that if they have the truth and should be able to debate the liar apostates, and then attempt to, 9 out of 10 times they will leave the JWs at least mentally. Once you have seen that the wizard of Oz is just an old powerless man behind a curtain, you cannot unsee it.

The WT actually explains perfectly the true reason they do not want you looking at critical information.

"The religious leaders were not happy that the common people were being set free. They did not want to lose their position of authority and the hold they had on the people." (The Watchtower, June 15, 1962, page 357.)

In short the WT has convinced millions that truth cannot stand under the light of criticism or investigation. It must literally flee. JWs avoid ex-JWs or people critical of the organization like a vampire treats the cross or sunlight. Steve Hassan stresses that a member or potential member of a group, any group should SEEK OUT critical information and honestly evaluate its validity. JWs agree with this whe it comes to anyone else, but when its them, they deny the truthfulness of that. JWs! You cannot have it both ways! Either something is true or it isnt. Either truth has nothing to fear or it does. You cannot have it both ways. I realized this truth and its why I woke up to TTATT and now think for myself.

-Joel aka BU2B

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How Do They Still Preach & Teach The "End" Is Right Around The Corner And Never Get Embarrassed?

by minimus in

from from the very beginning, the watchtower has been wrong about every prophecy regarding "the time of the end".

they still continue to spout false information.. go out and preach before it is too late!

lol!!!

BU2B

Great first comment Sally, so true! welcome! Good to have you here.

To answer Minimus question, they will just say how they encourage watchfulness. Even if they have had some "wrong expectations" its better to keep on the watch than be spiritually sleepy. Even the apostles made mistakes, we are not infallible, not prophets etc etc.

They are a shining example of the proverbial "Boy who cried wolf". Their cries of the end being soon are more rediculous to us because we have all the old quotes showing that they have had the same rhetoric for over 100 years. Newer ones have legitimately no clue about the WT current teachings let alone the past ones. They are wilfully ignorant. All they know is to follow the 7 men in NYC even if it makes no sense. Tragic that people turn over their whole minds to others.

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St. Louis police are asking for your help in finding a man who set fire to the Kingdom Hall of Jehovahs Witnesses

by Sol Reform in

st. louis (kmox) - st. louis police are asking for your help in finding a man who set fire to the kingdom hall of jehovahs witnesses at 2428 north grand.. the fire occurred saturday september 13th at 6:15 a.m.. a surveillance camera recording shows a suspect: a white male with a beard and mustache wearing a green jacket and coveralls.. anyone with information is asked to call crimestoppers at 866 371 tips.. man sought for setting fire to jehovahs witness building.

man sought for setting fire to jehovahs witness buildin... fire was set at 2428 north grand early saturday.

view on www.thenewscommen.... preview by yahoo.

BU2B

Was that one of us? lol

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w14 12/15-E Study Edition

by wifibandit in

click "premium download".

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pdf: http://bayfiles.net/file/1kv2k/uaqn2y/w_e20141215.pdf.

BU2B

The crazy part is that if JWs really didnt watch movies with explosions or scantily clad women, that would eliminate almost all of the PG-13 movies JWs love to flock to. No more Marvel comics movies, Transformers, hunger games etc.

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What happy, wonderful thing happened to you since you left the "truth"?

by Jeannette in

more than one thing for me, but i have learned to enjoy festivals, and just enjoying free time.

it's not that the org wouldn't allow it, i just felt i shouldn't.

there are others, of course, and i really have been happier and good things have come my way since i left.

BU2B

That was beautiful guys, especially Mr Flipper.. These posts give me needed positivity and hope for my future. I am happy for you guys. By your lives you prove the WT wrong every day. Your lives were supposed to fall apart remember?

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How much meaning are the rank and file putting on October 2014?

by JimmyPage in

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it's definitely on their minds.

i attended a funeral recently and a jw told me that the person who died almost made it to the 100 year anniversary of the birth of the kingdom.. curious what comments like this you've heard in your area?.

(and can't wait for november!).

BU2B

Great questions to ask Terry. If someone from 1970 said that this world would still be around in 2015, It would have been apostasy because it would prove that you disagreed with the generation doctrine which is central to their control.

If a witness said today that in 2070 the system would still be here, They would likely get sternly counseled by an elder or 2 and if they kept saying it.... who knows. Brazen conduct perhaps?

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This weeks congregation "bible" study! Mosaic law

by stuckinarut2 in

the "study" material this week is so insane!.

comparisons are made between modern laws and the mosaic law, and how these ancient laws are far superior.... where do i start!???!.

if it was so good, then why did jesus do away with it!?

BU2B

Its amazing that they say the Mosaic law was superior to todays laws. Well todays law outlaws slavery, the mosaic law authorized it. Does that mean slavery is ok because the Mosaic Law is from God, but the Laws today are "wordly"?

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This weeks congregation "bible" study! Mosaic law

by stuckinarut2 in

the "study" material this week is so insane!.

comparisons are made between modern laws and the mosaic law, and how these ancient laws are far superior.... where do i start!???!.

if it was so good, then why did jesus do away with it!?

BU2B

Heres another one from Leviticus 19

If a man sleeps with a female slave who is promised to another man but who has not been ransomed or given her freedom, there must be due punishment. [ a ] Yet they are not to be put to death, because she had not been freed. 21 The man, however, must bring a ram to the entrance to the tent of meeting for a guilt offering to the Lord . 22 With the ram of the guilt offering the priest is to make atonement for him before the Lord for the sin he has committed, and his sin will be forgiven.

So if a married man had sex with a ENGAGED female slave and IF THEY WERE CAUGHT, alls he had to do is make a offering at the temple and it would be forgiven. If he had sex with a engages FREE WOMAN, he would pe put to death. Why? A slave isnt a full person apparently.

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This weeks congregation "bible" study! Mosaic law

by stuckinarut2 in

the "study" material this week is so insane!.

comparisons are made between modern laws and the mosaic law, and how these ancient laws are far superior.... where do i start!???!.

if it was so good, then why did jesus do away with it!?

BU2B

But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.'

What is more, This perfectly describes the position of trapped in hostage JWs. Just like the slave in Ancient Israel, you can go free anytime, but you lose your family. Alternatively, you can remain a slave and keep your family. Some choice isnt it?