The bible never states that the dead are sleeping as WT claims. Ecclesiastes 9 if taken literally also removes any hope of the resurection. Therefore there is no reason scripturally speaking why the Witch of Endor could not have summoned the actual man. The Bible is suprisingly ambiguous on what happens when humans die.
Posts by BU2B
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31the Witch of Endor
by Magnum in1sa 28:3-25 (nwt - not revised version).
7 finally saul said to his servants: seek for me a woman who is a mistress of spirit mediumship, and i will go to her and consult her.
then his servants said to him: look!
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Governing Body Member Stephan Lett Lies On JW.TV
by Finkelstein ini thought it would be important to clearly point in the recent talk by governing body member stephan lett, that he did in fact deliberately lie concerning what he described as lies and false information by apostates, concerning the organization being permissive toward people in the organization who had been involved in pedophilia.
the truth of the matter is thats exactly what the organization has been doing and perhaps for a long time.
the recent candace conti law suit where she was awarded 28 million dollars was levied against the wts for its irresponsible behavior by the elders who gave no notification of the accused jonathan kendrick that he had been charged with pedophilia and spent months in jail for his actions .
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BU2B
Great point. This is a clear, verifiable, lie that can be easily proven. He cannot claim ignorance on this. He is at the top of the organization and is pulling the wool over memberships eyes. -
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Saudi Arabia sentences another "apostate to death
by BU2B inhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/saudiarabia/11431509/saudi-arabia-court-gives-death-penalty-to-man-who-renounced-his-muslim-faith.html.
i know the gb would love to have the power to do the same to us.
it disgusts me that britain and other western lands lowered its flags to half mast for the death of the king of this theocratic tyrannical state, all while condemning the likes of hugo chavez and muamar gaddafi who were secular leaders who at least recognized womens rights, and never did anything as repulsive as killing someone for changing their religion.
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BU2B
I agree to a point wing commander, but didnt Iraq have oil too? Did it stop the west from condeming and villifying their leader, cheering when he was lynched? -
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I just stumbled across this rabbit hole!
by kairos injust wow!.
some of the comments i read were hard to stomach.. https://www.facebook.com/myministryideaz?fref=photo.
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BU2B
That is puke worthy. My problem is that I am losing respect for JWs intelligence in general. I now see my parents, and people at the KH as morons! I dont really want to feel that way, but when I watch JWbroadcast with its constant sappy, emotion inducing music with people crying every two seconds, see the trolley cart song, see the rants of Lett and Morris, I just lose respect for the gung ho ones. It makes me want to throw up. -
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Lett briefly addresses the child abuse issues in new JW.org video
by Richard_I ini just read about this on the ex-jw subreddit.
link to the video (10m06s).. skip to 7:35 where he says: "another way we can contribute to the oneness - rejecting false stories that are designed to separate us from jehovah's organization.
as an example, think about the apostate-driven lies and 'dishonesties' that jehovah's organization is permissive toward pedophiles.
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BU2B
This talk was not intended for thinkers, or those who have a decent knowledge of child abuse cases. They are already written off as losses.
In JW land, court transcripts, sworn testimony, trials and judgements are all apostate lies. Even confessions from the actual perps about how they were able to get away with their crimes for years is all a satanic lie.
Those who can see through this have their brains swiched "on" and therefore are not wanted by the GB anyways.
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Saudi Arabia sentences another "apostate to death
by BU2B inhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/saudiarabia/11431509/saudi-arabia-court-gives-death-penalty-to-man-who-renounced-his-muslim-faith.html.
i know the gb would love to have the power to do the same to us.
it disgusts me that britain and other western lands lowered its flags to half mast for the death of the king of this theocratic tyrannical state, all while condemning the likes of hugo chavez and muamar gaddafi who were secular leaders who at least recognized womens rights, and never did anything as repulsive as killing someone for changing their religion.
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BU2B
I know the GB would love to have the power to do the same to us. It disgusts me that Britain and other western lands lowered its flags to half mast for the death of the king of this theocratic tyrannical state, all while condemning the likes of Hugo Chavez and Muamar Gaddafi who were secular leaders who at least recognized womens rights, and never did anything as repulsive as killing someone for changing their religion.
Why is there never any outcry from the west over the ONLY country left in the world who does not allow women to drive, allows virtual slaves, and where women cannot appear in public without a guardian or permission slip. The hypocritical ironies are amazing.
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Neanderthal man
by scary21 inmy ex husband and father of my daughter was never baptized but is still a believer in the wt.. a couple years ago we were talking about evolution ( which he does not believe in ) i brought up the subject of the neanderthals and how we all have their dna except africans ( the ones that never left africa ).
he said neanderthals are apes and not humans and jw's do not teach that they are humans.
i said i believe they do.. in the life- how did it get here book, under the sub heading " the human family "is says " neanderthal man....... was undoubtedly human.. his response was " they are just talking about what other people believe " ahhhhh .
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The dating is wrong lol! Except for when it agrees with their doctrine is backed up by the dating, all the sudden the dating is more proof! -
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How many JWs really believe the end will come "soon"?
by BU2B inthis topic has been on my mind lately.
i have been looking around at jws and wondering how many truly believe the end is as near as they are told.
from my personal experience, i know that my parents fully believe the end is imminent and may come any time now.
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When you dont believe the end is near, you wont follow the rules as closely. For instance, my wife just bought 2 new pairs of "spanx" and her only concern is not what her "spiritual leader" said but whaat other self righteous JWs who see her wearing them and get jealous will say or think. -
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JW Children - We're normal, and have fun at conventions, etc.
by berrygerry inwas reading a poster's experience with custody, and the info in wts child custody packet.. children are prepped to present themselves as normal, with school friendships, hobbies, activities, etc.
and not to mention that their life-goal is to pioneer.. the school brochure (1983) contains this gem:.
"they [witness families] also travel several times each year to attend larger gatherings called circuit assemblies and district conventions.
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BU2B
If they cant be honest about things like having "non witness" friends, hobbies, sports, and higher education what does that say about them? Why do they continue to hide their light under a basket? What kind of a lesson is it teaching the child that its ok for them to lie under oath to make the non custodial parent seem like a over protective nut ball?
It is so valuable to be able to produce this packet, along with quotes showing the true stand of WT on these issues to your lawyer if you are going through a custody battle! The deceptive nature of this packet, the JW parent, and the organization will be clear!
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Neanderthal man
by scary21 inmy ex husband and father of my daughter was never baptized but is still a believer in the wt.. a couple years ago we were talking about evolution ( which he does not believe in ) i brought up the subject of the neanderthals and how we all have their dna except africans ( the ones that never left africa ).
he said neanderthals are apes and not humans and jw's do not teach that they are humans.
i said i believe they do.. in the life- how did it get here book, under the sub heading " the human family "is says " neanderthal man....... was undoubtedly human.. his response was " they are just talking about what other people believe " ahhhhh .
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BU2B
The Awake admits they exist, but with no explanation on how their presence can be explained from the bible.
This is from the 11/11 issue
Were Neanderthals Like Us?
“The long-held view that Neanderthals were inferior to Homo sapiens is changing as, one by one, capabilities thought unique to us have been linked to them,” says New Scientist. Recent discoveries indicate that Neanderthals built shelters and hearths, controlled fire, wore clothes, cooked food, made tools, and created glue to attach spear points to their shafts. There is also evidence that they cared for sick individuals, wore symbolic ornaments, and buried their dead. According to Erik Trinkaus, professor of physical anthropology at Washington University, St. Louis, Missouri, U.S.A., “Neanderthals were people, and they probably had the same range of mental abilities we do.”
I believe that they were similiar to us in the same way that Alligatior, Crocidile, and Caiman are all similiar but not the same.