Posts by pacloc

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Why do humans suffer

by StephaneLaliberte in

while talking with my wife, it occurred to me that the jws idea of why humans suffer doesnt make sense.

the idea is that humans suffer so as to prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that they cannot rule themselves.. now, the bible states that satan is the ruler of this world.

so just how letting time pass by supposed to answer the question about the humans ability to govern themselves when they dont govern themselves?

pacloc

This was the topic that eventually led me out of the Watchtower. They have the worst reasoning on the purpose of suffering.

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Pope Francis's view on ABORTION can end all discussion on abortion!

by abiather in

defence of unborn life is closely linked to the defence of each and every other human right.

it involves the conviction that a human being is always sacred and inviolable, in any situation and at every stage of development.

human beings are ends in themselves and never a means of resolving other problems.

Pope Francis's view on ABORTION can end all discussion on abortion!

by abiather in

defence of unborn life is closely linked to the defence of each and every other human right.

it involves the conviction that a human being is always sacred and inviolable, in any situation and at every stage of development.

human beings are ends in themselves and never a means of resolving other problems.

pacloc

jws, it is very sad to hear such ignorance. Please read up on history first of all.

Secondly, would you like to be judged based on your father, grandfather, great grandfather? Not everone in your family was a saint I am sure. Unlike JW the Catholic Church does not call itself God's mouthpiece, but rather the priesthood of the apostles has been passed down, including the primacy of St. Peter the prince of the apostles. Pope Francis is nothing other than the chief servant in making important decisions of how Christians should live in the society of our time. The dogmas of the Church have not changed in the Church's 2000 year long history. There definitely were things that the Church is not proud of, and have actually admitted fault and have repented, but the two topics you mentioned had at least some merit in trying to keep the Church pure and free. Pope Francis has never killed anyone, but a lot of the people on this website have, so I wouldn't go around insulting a man about his respect for life with bloody hands.

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Pope Francis's view on ABORTION can end all discussion on abortion!

by abiather in

defence of unborn life is closely linked to the defence of each and every other human right.

it involves the conviction that a human being is always sacred and inviolable, in any situation and at every stage of development.

human beings are ends in themselves and never a means of resolving other problems.

pacloc

Horrible comparisons are always thrown about by "Pro abortion" people. Eating junk food to death of a child?? Really. God a murderer if the child is never born, but not a murderer once the person dies in an old age? If you use that logic God murders every single human that has ever lived, so your beef is with God not with miscarriage. All that approve of killing humans are selfish and fear pain and suffering just like society wants you to. Rape victims?? How about the child victim that actually never gets to see the world. What crime did the child commit to be sentenced to death by human choice? If any of you believe in God, you recognize that you will not live forever right now, and that God is in full control of the world, including allowing the effects of original sin. It is quite a difference when God allows bad things to happen and when we humans create evil ourselves. So like the OP mentioned, the aborted child has nothing to fear, but the mothers commiting this selfish crime will have to pay for their blood with their own soul if they do not repent.

God have mercy on us all.

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A Jesus question...

by zound in

jw
friends

this is directed to believers in jesus.. if jesus existed, and did the miracles he did - quite openly and in public - and spoke the words he spoke, words that echo through the centuries and supposedly have the power to change peoples lives today just by reading them.... ...why is it that so many people in the time of his presence on earth, who saw the miracles, heard the sermons - heard the very voice of the son of god - why were so many less than impressed?

why did many experience all that and then conclude "messiah?

nah i don't think so.".

pacloc

It was because of the drastic claims that Jesus made of being God's Son therefore Divine and eternal. Jews only viewing him as a man, could not accept the claims he made. He didn't tell people to only follow God, but rather told them to follow Himself. He told them that they must eat his flesh and drink his blood. He forgave sins, he worked on the Sabboth.

Also, many did follow him. It just took some longer than others. Today there are quite a few Christians, so it was quite a few that had to keep it going.

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Isn`t the scripture at Rev.12: 12,13 Pointless ? " Woe for the earth...because the Devil has come down to you having great anger...."

by smiddy in

doesnt the bible clearly show he has always been on the earth causing trouble and havoc ?

onwards.. then especially with the account in the book of job.. not forgetting his tempting jesus in the wilderness.. being reinforced in 2cor.4:4 "...the god of this system of things has blinded the minds of unbeleivers...".

all of which occurs on earth with humans , so whats the big deal about rev.12:12,13 ?.

pacloc

It has more to do with the defeat of Satan and Sin by Jesus. Satan is no longer ruler of man if man chooses to believe in Jesus. So being cast to Earth means he can only have effect on the physical, no longer are we spiritually dead as we were before Jesus' incarnation. Revelation is purely symbolic of outcomes made by the incarnation, death, and resurrection of Jesus.

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What's your reading of Matthew 19:28 ?

by EdenOne in

matthew 19:28: "and jesus said to them, "truly i say to you, that you who have followed me, in the regeneration when the son of man will sit on his glorious throne, you also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of israel.

" (nasb).

the context shows that jesus was talking to his twelve apostles.

pacloc

From Haydock commentary:

In the regeneration. Jesus Christ here calls the general resurrection the regeneration, because there will then be a renovation of the human body, and of the whole world. The promise which is here made to the apostles of sitting on thrones at the general judgment, and passing sentence on the 12 tribes of Israel, must not be understood as limited to the apostles, or to the Jews. For S. Paul says, (1 Cor. vi. 2. and 3,) that not only he, but also many of the Corinthians to whom he was writing, would judge not merely the 12 tribes, but the whole world, and moreover angels themselves. It is the opinion of many of the Fathers, S. Jerom, S. Austin, S. Gregory, and others, that all apostolical men, i.e. such as, renouncing the goods of this life, adhere to Christ in mind and affection, and by every possible means promote his reign and the propagation of his gospel, will be so far honoured as to sit in judgment with him at the general resurrection. T. — You also shall sit on twelve seats, or thrones, meaning at the general resurrection, when Christ will appear on the throne of his majesty, with his heavenly court, and with his elect, shall condemn the wicked world.

So you can say that Jesus incarnation, death, and resurrection changed the world into all potential sons of God (Israel), but only the elect (12 apostles) will be chosen and will in a sense judge the rest of the wicked that gave up their inheritance.

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1914 not Christ's Return anymore?

by pacloc in

looking at the public dec 2013 watchtower under bible questions answered it looks like they are saying that the invisible return of christ is completely in the future.

i thought that they always said it started in 1914?

am i reading this wrong?.

pacloc

If you look at their website under the brief description it says:

"What is the purpose of Christ’s return? In what manner will he return, and what will he then do?"

The wording is future tense.

Then I did a search in their online library for "1914 invisible return" and an article called "How Does Jehovah Direct His Organization?" appears stating that he did in fact return in 1914.

By the way, I am no longer a JW, I left Feb 2012 and am now a happy Catholic. I still worry about the JW's because my parents and siblings are still in.

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Question about the Pope

by Verenda in

has anyone else heard about the new pope trying to establish one worldwide religion?

the un is expected to follow with declarations of peace.

apparently many witnesses ae discussing this and see it as a sign of the end..

pacloc

The Catholic Church does not and can not do anything like that. The Church has always been interested in new ways to unite with other religions in hopes that they will eventually join the fullness of truth. That is why the popes try to have good relationships with protestants, jews, Orthodox, Muslim, etc. The Church, contrary to what the media and people think, can not change in its dogma/doctrine. JW are very good at making it look like the Church has changed, when in reality it has not. Read the Church Fathers and then read Pope Benedict's works, it is eye opening.

It is sad that the good being done by the Church in terms of peace is being labeled by brainwashed JW's as signs of the end of the world. But when there are peaceful relations among their own kind, it is sign that "Jehovah" is supporting their work.

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1914 not Christ's Return anymore?

by pacloc in

looking at the public dec 2013 watchtower under bible questions answered it looks like they are saying that the invisible return of christ is completely in the future.

i thought that they always said it started in 1914?

am i reading this wrong?.

pacloc

Looking at the public Dec 2013 Watchtower under Bible questions answered it looks like they are saying that the invisible return of Christ is completely in the future. I thought that they always said it started in 1914? Am I reading this wrong?