i've found it quite interesting talking to several young ones who lead double lives.
the sad thing is, i don't find these ones so wicked.
i find them basically good kids who got a little messed up because no one had any time for them, or attempts to relate were rather lame.. the irony is that while talking to one while he was smoking a cigarette, out of nowhere he says, "but i still believe its the truth".
Katchoo,
It sounds like they were witch-hunting (figuratively!). They had no right to ask you lurid details. That was totally uncalled for. Those auras you see are the natural energy fields that eminate from people. Some have MORE fields of energy than others, and you can even FEEL it when they walk into a room. It's a totally natural phenomenon, and not demonic whatsoever! Sickos, they are.
Hugs,
RCAT
ok, since it was so easy to get on here i'm assuming that this place is also over run by wts critics...but anyway!.
i've read a plenty of wt mags and got sucked in enough by the whole thing to go to a few meetings and do a bible study( which i wouldn't really call a study, since we just read one of their books).i soon broke of the whole thing and didn't even read another mag for about 6 years...6 months ago i wandered into h20 out of curiosity and ended up reading up on the arguments against the wts.. i have a simple question, and its probably very naive to ask this...but why is wts so afraid of debate?...there are plenty of sites arguing against the wts...but none for, apart the official site which doesn't address the issues raised by so called "apostates" anyway.. if the wt has the the truth why dont they just refute the the arguments against them instead of shutting up shop and labelling anyone who questions them an "apostate?
" or from satan or something.. i'm really beginning to think that all this wt business is just waste of time, that if i were to go to kh and ask questions that i have, i'm more likely to be labelled a trouble making agent of satan rather than be taken at face value as someone with serious questions.
Unity enforced is not unity at all. It's COERCION.
I correct that statement. Unity BY force is not unity at all. It's COERCION. And Unity above Truth undermines their entire reason for BEING a religion.
Edited by - Roamingfeline on 18 June 2000 10:16:4
it has been an experience to say the least.
i accepted eagerly the teachings of the watchower bible and tract society over the last 7 years.
i have been a dedicated pioneer for four of those years.
SC,
Any thinking person can see you have genuine love of man in you. And a TRUE conscience. You have done what your conscience, which was God-given (by what we've been taught) told you to do. Who can possibly say that is wrong of you? Good luck to you and your family. I hope you stay with us and enjoy fellowship. Bravo to you for having the courage of your convictions!
Hugs,
RCat
i was talking to a friend of mine who used to work in bethel nyc, a well respected brother.
he was telling me of how material for the book study group was really decided.
especially those really "deep", "meaty" books like " freedom and life everlasting in the sons of god", "gods kingdom of a thousand years" etc.
Thanks! If ANYONE could go head-to-head with Friend it would be the illustrious Alan. He's very knowledgeable and always enjoys a good debate!
ok, since it was so easy to get on here i'm assuming that this place is also over run by wts critics...but anyway!.
i've read a plenty of wt mags and got sucked in enough by the whole thing to go to a few meetings and do a bible study( which i wouldn't really call a study, since we just read one of their books).i soon broke of the whole thing and didn't even read another mag for about 6 years...6 months ago i wandered into h20 out of curiosity and ended up reading up on the arguments against the wts.. i have a simple question, and its probably very naive to ask this...but why is wts so afraid of debate?...there are plenty of sites arguing against the wts...but none for, apart the official site which doesn't address the issues raised by so called "apostates" anyway.. if the wt has the the truth why dont they just refute the the arguments against them instead of shutting up shop and labelling anyone who questions them an "apostate?
" or from satan or something.. i'm really beginning to think that all this wt business is just waste of time, that if i were to go to kh and ask questions that i have, i'm more likely to be labelled a trouble making agent of satan rather than be taken at face value as someone with serious questions.
Waiting,
Good quotes.. lol Thanks, I'll drink to that!
Shall we take a civil breather? I'm ready.....
ok, since it was so easy to get on here i'm assuming that this place is also over run by wts critics...but anyway!.
i've read a plenty of wt mags and got sucked in enough by the whole thing to go to a few meetings and do a bible study( which i wouldn't really call a study, since we just read one of their books).i soon broke of the whole thing and didn't even read another mag for about 6 years...6 months ago i wandered into h20 out of curiosity and ended up reading up on the arguments against the wts.. i have a simple question, and its probably very naive to ask this...but why is wts so afraid of debate?...there are plenty of sites arguing against the wts...but none for, apart the official site which doesn't address the issues raised by so called "apostates" anyway.. if the wt has the the truth why dont they just refute the the arguments against them instead of shutting up shop and labelling anyone who questions them an "apostate?
" or from satan or something.. i'm really beginning to think that all this wt business is just waste of time, that if i were to go to kh and ask questions that i have, i'm more likely to be labelled a trouble making agent of satan rather than be taken at face value as someone with serious questions.
Marion_nett,
As you can see, before you ever posted your rebuttal, I had edited my words. My mistake, I had already re-read the profile and fixed it myself. I'm sorry if my words hurt your feelings.
I guess you could say my words of liking one food without the spices was a dig, but basically I was saying that you weren't an infant on milk, but just wanted ONE FOOD without the spice. In other words, one religion with no other views ACCEPTED.
Take it how you like, I have already posted in several places that all views should be welcome if that's the way Simon wanted it when he set this forum up. And he has already assured me THAT is the case. So I defend your right to post your views, just as I would defend my right to post Mine without pot-shots from you about it.
RCAT
i've found it quite interesting talking to several young ones who lead double lives.
the sad thing is, i don't find these ones so wicked.
i find them basically good kids who got a little messed up because no one had any time for them, or attempts to relate were rather lame.. the irony is that while talking to one while he was smoking a cigarette, out of nowhere he says, "but i still believe its the truth".
Dangerous reasoning when trying to bring up a child. Conditioned to hate the world and non witnesses in it and particpating in the normal routines working etc, developing friendships with these ones who are not in the truth feeling guilty for liking the world .... Very hard to instil a sense of direction in a child when you believe the world is going to be destroyed My daughter is now 21 and thankfully she doesn't have that guilt but in a lot of aspects of her life I feel if only I had not carried all this guilt and fear with me whilst bringing her up than she maybe might have a clearer picture of a direction in her life.
Maxee,
Those are the exact feelings I have had about raising my own daughters, ages 23, 21, and 17. They were raised in this religion, and all have trouble making goals and having direction in their life, because NONE of them were ever taught that the system would get this far! I really regret that the most of everything in this religion. Teaching them that false "sense of urgency" that is the hallmark of a cult.
Hugs,
RCAT
ok, since it was so easy to get on here i'm assuming that this place is also over run by wts critics...but anyway!.
i've read a plenty of wt mags and got sucked in enough by the whole thing to go to a few meetings and do a bible study( which i wouldn't really call a study, since we just read one of their books).i soon broke of the whole thing and didn't even read another mag for about 6 years...6 months ago i wandered into h20 out of curiosity and ended up reading up on the arguments against the wts.. i have a simple question, and its probably very naive to ask this...but why is wts so afraid of debate?...there are plenty of sites arguing against the wts...but none for, apart the official site which doesn't address the issues raised by so called "apostates" anyway.. if the wt has the the truth why dont they just refute the the arguments against them instead of shutting up shop and labelling anyone who questions them an "apostate?
" or from satan or something.. i'm really beginning to think that all this wt business is just waste of time, that if i were to go to kh and ask questions that i have, i'm more likely to be labelled a trouble making agent of satan rather than be taken at face value as someone with serious questions.
Marion_nett,
I did not insult you, nor your behavior. In fact, I defended your right to state your beliefs without being insulted. But you see fit to include me in a post stating you should be free of such insulting. Because I said you prefer one food without spices (meaning the JW religion) instead of being a spiritual infant? Sheesh, talk about thin-skinned!
Edited by - Roamingfeline on 16 June 2000 22:25:41
ok, since it was so easy to get on here i'm assuming that this place is also over run by wts critics...but anyway!.
i've read a plenty of wt mags and got sucked in enough by the whole thing to go to a few meetings and do a bible study( which i wouldn't really call a study, since we just read one of their books).i soon broke of the whole thing and didn't even read another mag for about 6 years...6 months ago i wandered into h20 out of curiosity and ended up reading up on the arguments against the wts.. i have a simple question, and its probably very naive to ask this...but why is wts so afraid of debate?...there are plenty of sites arguing against the wts...but none for, apart the official site which doesn't address the issues raised by so called "apostates" anyway.. if the wt has the the truth why dont they just refute the the arguments against them instead of shutting up shop and labelling anyone who questions them an "apostate?
" or from satan or something.. i'm really beginning to think that all this wt business is just waste of time, that if i were to go to kh and ask questions that i have, i'm more likely to be labelled a trouble making agent of satan rather than be taken at face value as someone with serious questions.
Waiting,
That was basically what I was saying earlier. We can all agree to disagree. And this place should be open to everyone to CIVILLY discuss issues. I know some of us have anger and bitterness, and some don't. I know some are ready to leave, and some don't know if they want to. Some even may WANT to stay in the Org. for now or forever till death do them part, so the saying goes. I'm sure Simon had a vision for this site, and his vision should be respected, Whatever it may be. Just my .02
Hugs,
RCat
i've found it quite interesting talking to several young ones who lead double lives.
the sad thing is, i don't find these ones so wicked.
i find them basically good kids who got a little messed up because no one had any time for them, or attempts to relate were rather lame.. the irony is that while talking to one while he was smoking a cigarette, out of nowhere he says, "but i still believe its the truth".
Yes, I have a few thoughts on this. It's a darned shame that those kids have been raised with the "guilt machine". That's the tactics of the mind-control that teaches them that no matter what they do, it's never enough to please Jehovah. So even though they believe it's the truth, because it's all they've ever known, they never feel they can measure up enough to be a "REAL" JW. They feel like frauds. So they give up on themselves. It's a real travesty.
