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  Furuli's New Books--Attempt to Refute COJonsson

  by ros in

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  i just heard that the norwegian watchtower apologist, rolf furuli, who esteems himself a biblical scholar of semetic languages, has completed the first of two volumes he plans to publish on the societys chronology, assyrian, babylonian, egyptian and persian chronology compared with the chronology of the bible.. title of this first volume is: persian chronology and the length of the babylonian exile of the jews.. i hear that although carl olof jonsson is not mentioned by name, or reference made to his book "gentile times reconsidered," it is nevertheless apparent that these volumes are an attempt to refute jonssons excellent study which has exposed the watchtowers 1914 date as total folly.. .

  the book can be ordered now from furulis new personal website:.

  http://folk.uio.no/rolffu/.

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  Scholar wrote:

  I thought I should alert you to the fact that Furuli does not esteem himself as a scholar which implies that somehow his qualifications are not bona fide.

  Question: Is that a localized usage of the word "scholar" (e.g., Australia)?

  In my country, as far as I know, "scholar" means just what the dictionary defines: "a) a learned person b) a specialist in a particular branch of learning, esp. in the humanities." (Webster's New World [no pun intended] Dictionary of the American Language)

  Scholar implies a learned person, regardless of academic credentials. Nevertheless, in my frame of reference, an individual with degrees enjoys being esteemed a scholar, even in areas where s/he may not be. So my thinking is somewhat the reverse of what you suggest in that degrees imply scholarship even where it may not be merited. Example: It is very difficult for me to conceive how genuine scholarship could viably lend to defending the WTS's world history positions, or any kind of fundamentalist biblical literalism, regardless of degrees behind the one presenting the information. That would be like expecting one with an advanced degree from Oral Roberts University to write a viable refutation on evolution.

  On the other hand, perhaps the issue is more simple than we imagine. Perhaps Mr. Furuli simply recognizes a ready audience and market for a book on a particular topic. He doesn't really have to be right. Now that's not too dumb, is it?

  ~Ros
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  Furuli's New Books--Attempt to Refute COJonsson

  by ros in

  1. jw
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  i just heard that the norwegian watchtower apologist, rolf furuli, who esteems himself a biblical scholar of semetic languages, has completed the first of two volumes he plans to publish on the societys chronology, assyrian, babylonian, egyptian and persian chronology compared with the chronology of the bible.. title of this first volume is: persian chronology and the length of the babylonian exile of the jews.. i hear that although carl olof jonsson is not mentioned by name, or reference made to his book "gentile times reconsidered," it is nevertheless apparent that these volumes are an attempt to refute jonssons excellent study which has exposed the watchtowers 1914 date as total folly.. .

  the book can be ordered now from furulis new personal website:.

  http://folk.uio.no/rolffu/.

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  Interesting response from Greg Stafford on this topic, and subsequent reply by Hillary_Step, on Channel C:

  http://www.channelc.org/cgi-bin/eboard30/index.cgi

  ~Ros
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  You are just wonderful people! :)

  by onacruse in

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  this last couple of weeks, kate and i have had the distinct pleasure to talk with many of you, several for the first time (we'll not name names, you know who you are .

  we'd just like to say that each and every one of you has touched our hearts.

  reaching out to each other is almost incredibly hard to do, but it feels sooooo good when we let down the barriers.. craig & kate

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  onacruse:

  I remember not so long ago (though it may seem) when you were new and seemed lonely and searching. And I remember some fun discussions with biker in chat, too. It's warming to see how life has turned out for you.

  ~Ros
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  Furuli's New Books--Attempt to Refute COJonsson

  by ros in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i just heard that the norwegian watchtower apologist, rolf furuli, who esteems himself a biblical scholar of semetic languages, has completed the first of two volumes he plans to publish on the societys chronology, assyrian, babylonian, egyptian and persian chronology compared with the chronology of the bible.. title of this first volume is: persian chronology and the length of the babylonian exile of the jews.. i hear that although carl olof jonsson is not mentioned by name, or reference made to his book "gentile times reconsidered," it is nevertheless apparent that these volumes are an attempt to refute jonssons excellent study which has exposed the watchtowers 1914 date as total folly.. .

  the book can be ordered now from furulis new personal website:.

  http://folk.uio.no/rolffu/.

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  jws:

  I'm sure the Watchtower Society would gladly back off from their 1914 doctrine, and probably wish they could, if they could just figure out one thing: How to EVER explain how the "apostates" knew and preached "The Truth" about it (including the past few years on the Internet) before Jehovah revealed it to the JWs. When you consider all the people who were DF'd for doubting 1914, how would they ever explain it. Probably if Carl had never published his book on the subject, the WTS would have had all that "new light" by now. :D)))

  ~Ros
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  Furuli's New Books--Attempt to Refute COJonsson

  by ros in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i just heard that the norwegian watchtower apologist, rolf furuli, who esteems himself a biblical scholar of semetic languages, has completed the first of two volumes he plans to publish on the societys chronology, assyrian, babylonian, egyptian and persian chronology compared with the chronology of the bible.. title of this first volume is: persian chronology and the length of the babylonian exile of the jews.. i hear that although carl olof jonsson is not mentioned by name, or reference made to his book "gentile times reconsidered," it is nevertheless apparent that these volumes are an attempt to refute jonssons excellent study which has exposed the watchtowers 1914 date as total folly.. .

  the book can be ordered now from furulis new personal website:.

  http://folk.uio.no/rolffu/.

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  Hamas:

  This is probably of more interest to longer-time-outers who know a little history of Furuli's past attempts to discredit WT critics. At one time, he and Greg Stafford were somewhat in collusion as WT apologists, but I'm seeing a greater distance grow between Stafford and other WT apologists. Example, I see no mention of these latest works by Furuli on Stafford's site: http://www.elihubooks.com
  I agree that the newer generation of outers are probably not as interested in this old stuff.
  But some of us are going to be very interested in Jonsson's rebuttal of Furuli's work, which is inevitable.

  ~Ros
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  Furuli's New Books--Attempt to Refute COJonsson

  by ros in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i just heard that the norwegian watchtower apologist, rolf furuli, who esteems himself a biblical scholar of semetic languages, has completed the first of two volumes he plans to publish on the societys chronology, assyrian, babylonian, egyptian and persian chronology compared with the chronology of the bible.. title of this first volume is: persian chronology and the length of the babylonian exile of the jews.. i hear that although carl olof jonsson is not mentioned by name, or reference made to his book "gentile times reconsidered," it is nevertheless apparent that these volumes are an attempt to refute jonssons excellent study which has exposed the watchtowers 1914 date as total folly.. .

  the book can be ordered now from furulis new personal website:.

  http://folk.uio.no/rolffu/.

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  I just heard that the Norwegian Watchtower apologist, Rolf Furuli, who esteems himself a biblical scholar of Semetic languages, has completed the first of two volumes he plans to publish on the Society’s chronology, “Assyrian, Babylonian, Egyptian and Persian Chronology Compared With the Chronology of the Bible.”
  Title of this first volume is: “Persian Chronology and the Length of the Babylonian Exile of the Jews.”

  I hear that although Carl Olof Jonsson is not mentioned by name, or reference made to his book "Gentile Times Reconsidered," it is nevertheless apparent that these volumes are an attempt to refute Jonsson’s excellent study which has exposed the Watchtower’s 1914 date as total folly.

  The book can be ordered now from Furuli’s new personal website:
  http://folk.uio.no/rolffu/

  The site even sports his picture.

  ~Ros
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  Would some of us be better off as Witnesses?

  by Jerry Bergman in

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  i have often wondered if many people would be better off if they stayed witnesses.

  some people i have known have really gone off the deep end after they left the watchtower.

  most all of my family have left now (not due to me as i was cut off from them for years) and many others i know who have left are now bitter atheists or have become pagans and worship stones or new ageers playing with crystals.

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  Hi, Jerry!!!
  Nice to see you here.

  For lack of time I haven't read most of this thread, but just wanted to say "HI !!!"

  We haven't corresponded in a long time. I'm delighted how well Diane's book is doing.
  Still cherish the cruise memories.

  Blessings,
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  To Ros, Re. "Ouija Please"

  by IslandWoman in

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  hi ros, .

  i was just wondering what the phrase "ouija please" means and what is it's significance?.

  iw

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  IW wrote:

  Just noticed the Forum C Administrator's post, which initiated the original post on this thread, has been removed. Why it was I do not know so am left only to speculate. IW

  It is?? What post? Do speculate, please. :-)
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  To Ros, Re. "Ouija Please"

  by IslandWoman in

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  hi ros, .

  i was just wondering what the phrase "ouija please" means and what is it's significance?.

  iw

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  IW:

  In the particular instance you are referring to, it was a play on words as well as intended to convey to certain ones that I am aware of some things that I will leave alone at this point.

  ~Ros
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  Thinking about Bill Bowen...

  by Pathofthorns in

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  i was looking over the thread... "should i support bill bowen?".

  i realize i am one of the few people that gave bill somewhat of a difficult time pretty much from the beginning when it was not "fashionable" to do so.

  it was never my hope to see the man reduced to what he has, but rather to gain a better understanding of the issues involved, the intents and goals of silentlambs and to see reasonableness govern everyone's actions in the whole affair.. imo, i don't think there is any other single person in the last while that has done so much to help address the issue of child abuse among jw's while at the same time exposing them for what they really are.

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  My apologies if this has already been presented somewhere in all the discussions on this topic. In case not, I thought it might be of interest to quote the "Flock" book:

  Page 93 under the definition of Porneia:

  ... Also included are sexual abuse of children, including practices involving a catamite (a boy kept for purposes of sexual perversion).... Victims of sexual abuse need to be treated with extreme thoughtfulness and kindness. Elders should always do what they reasonably can to protect children from further abuse; follow the Society's directives on such matters. (g85 1/22 p.8)

  Under the topic "Handling Judicial Cases", subheading "What kind of evidence is acceptable?" page 111:
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  What kind of evidence is acceptable?There must be two or three eyewitnesses, not just persons repeating what they have heard; no action can be taken if there is only one witness. (Deut. 19:15; John 8:17) . . .Strong circumstantial evidence, . . .
  If there are two or three witnesses to the same kind of wrongdoing but each one is witness to a separate incident, their testimony can be considered. Such evidence may be used to establish guilt, but it is preferable to have two witnesses to the same occurrence of wrongdoing.

  On seeing the above reference in the first quote here to the Jan.22, 1985 Awake!, I looked it up. The magazine featured three articles on child abuse.

  ~Ros

  Edited by - ros on 21 November 2002 23:45:35