hey all, hope you're having a great year so far.. before witnet was closed down, there was an interesting discussion regarding the fds and their failed prophecies.
i asked a question, but unfortunately there wasn't enought time to get everyone's view.. so i'll rephrase my posts, and wait to hear from y'all.. if we are so quick to say that the fds is a false prophet because of some failed prophecies (even tho they say they don't prophecy, we all know better) then how would you explain the bible book of jonah?.
a faithful prophet, jonah, followed (after much trial and tribulation to himself) jehovah's command to declare destruction on the city of nineveh.
Actually, there is a group in Europe who call themselves "jehovah's Witnesses" but they are not affiliated with the Watchtower, having broken away from the Society shortly after the death of Rutherford for what they say is apostasy.
Funny, they look, act and study just like the Jehovah's Witnesses. They accept ONLY Rutherford's writings.
"People in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones"
hey all, hope you're having a great year so far.. before witnet was closed down, there was an interesting discussion regarding the fds and their failed prophecies.
i asked a question, but unfortunately there wasn't enought time to get everyone's view.. so i'll rephrase my posts, and wait to hear from y'all.. if we are so quick to say that the fds is a false prophet because of some failed prophecies (even tho they say they don't prophecy, we all know better) then how would you explain the bible book of jonah?.
a faithful prophet, jonah, followed (after much trial and tribulation to himself) jehovah's command to declare destruction on the city of nineveh.
JT, are you saying then that the early Christians did not get together periodically for study of God's Word, I think the scriptures tell us differently. Granted their studies were not as rigid and structured as seen within the Watchtower, nor was it as We-Teach-You-Learn as seen in many Churches today, however they did get together, they did study the Bible or rather the Old Testament along with the "letters" sent to them by the apostles and disciples.
And there are many Churches that do teach the Bible in a study circle environment.
"People in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones"
hey all, hope you're having a great year so far.. before witnet was closed down, there was an interesting discussion regarding the fds and their failed prophecies.
i asked a question, but unfortunately there wasn't enought time to get everyone's view.. so i'll rephrase my posts, and wait to hear from y'all.. if we are so quick to say that the fds is a false prophet because of some failed prophecies (even tho they say they don't prophecy, we all know better) then how would you explain the bible book of jonah?.
a faithful prophet, jonah, followed (after much trial and tribulation to himself) jehovah's command to declare destruction on the city of nineveh.
No smoke pouring out of my ears ... lol ... besides my motto IS "agree to disagree."
hey all, hope you're having a great year so far.. before witnet was closed down, there was an interesting discussion regarding the fds and their failed prophecies.
i asked a question, but unfortunately there wasn't enought time to get everyone's view.. so i'll rephrase my posts, and wait to hear from y'all.. if we are so quick to say that the fds is a false prophet because of some failed prophecies (even tho they say they don't prophecy, we all know better) then how would you explain the bible book of jonah?.
a faithful prophet, jonah, followed (after much trial and tribulation to himself) jehovah's command to declare destruction on the city of nineveh.
enuff said!
found this on h2o:.
1/3/01 it was announced at morning worship today that brother karl klein, a member of the governing body, has passed away.
he was 95 years old.
Yes, Fred Franz died some years ago, I think qaround 1995, however Ray Franz his nephew is still alive and well living in Georgia.
"People in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones"
hey all, hope you're having a great year so far.. before witnet was closed down, there was an interesting discussion regarding the fds and their failed prophecies.
i asked a question, but unfortunately there wasn't enought time to get everyone's view.. so i'll rephrase my posts, and wait to hear from y'all.. if we are so quick to say that the fds is a false prophet because of some failed prophecies (even tho they say they don't prophecy, we all know better) then how would you explain the bible book of jonah?.
a faithful prophet, jonah, followed (after much trial and tribulation to himself) jehovah's command to declare destruction on the city of nineveh.
Larc:
Now, you say it applies to someone helping others. The story doesn't say that. It talks about serving their master, not other people.
Yes, you are entitled to your opinions, however the scripture clearly states:
"Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his master made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season? Blessed is that servant whom his master, when he comes, will find so doing. Assuredly, I say to you that he will make him ruler over all his goods."
Perhaps you can explain to me the following:
1. Who is the "servant"?
2. What is the "household"?
3. What is "meat in due season"?
4. Who is the "master"?
5. What are the "goods" spoken of?
Yes, you are right, the servant was serving the Master, but I ask you, in what capacity? The Servant was dispensing "meat in due season"? What meat? In what season? Who was it dispensing it to? The household, well then who or what is the household?
"People in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones"
i'm wondering if you still attend meetings?
do you hold out hope for the watchtower organization?
if you've left entirely, have you found another form of worship?
Well, I haven't seen the inside of a Kingdom Hall in some nine years, and for that time I have been meeting regularly with the orginal International Bible Students Association. And I love it! No complaints from me.
"People in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones"
hey all, hope you're having a great year so far.. before witnet was closed down, there was an interesting discussion regarding the fds and their failed prophecies.
i asked a question, but unfortunately there wasn't enought time to get everyone's view.. so i'll rephrase my posts, and wait to hear from y'all.. if we are so quick to say that the fds is a false prophet because of some failed prophecies (even tho they say they don't prophecy, we all know better) then how would you explain the bible book of jonah?.
a faithful prophet, jonah, followed (after much trial and tribulation to himself) jehovah's command to declare destruction on the city of nineveh.
Larc
You said that Charles Taze Russell was "that faithful and wise slave" and then you added "nuff said." Well, it's not nearly nuff for me. I would like you to elaborate on your statement. Please provide some clear reasoning for such a unusual conclusion.
Well, I could take up a lot of space on this topic so I'll be brief.
Regarding our Lord's Great Prophecy of Matthew 24, it might be debated that the term, "faithful and wise servant" (vs. 45), could be applied to the Lord's people as a whole class. On the other hand, it may be applied to any individual who would serve others the Truth, "meat in due season" ["food at teh proper time" - NWT] when Jesus returns. In this passage, as well as the parallel account in Luke 12, it appears clear that "those servants [plural]" (vs. 37) who should be alert and watching refer to all the Lord's faithful people.
Another suggestion might be that the Watchtower Society itself would fill the role as "a faithful and wise servant." However, on close examination, within the same context in Luke 12, is a clear distinction between one who serves and those who are served:
"Blessed are those servants [plural], whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching. . . Who then is that faithful and wise steward [singular] whom the Lord would make ruler over his household to give them [plural] . . .meat in due season." (Vss. 37, 42) Although all should be watching, one servant would be a steward over the rest of the servants for dispensing the truth due at the end of the age.
This responsibility would not imply lordship, apostolic inspiration or even origination of truths. Although Brother Russell rarely discussed these texts, when pressed to identify himself as fulfilling this role, he did not deny it. As his friends would say, "A servant is known by his service" (R4483:2). If the content of his message and impact of his work are recognized as uniquely significant at the end of this age, then the conclusion that the Lord selected Charles Taze Russell as "that servant" is obvious.
The position carried risks; the office, specific temptations. One temptation described in Matthew 24 was that once having proclaimed the presence of the Lord, the "servant" might with the passage of time be tempted to reconsider and say the Lord after all had not come yet. The other temptation might be to become abusive in his peculiar position and "smite his fellowservants" (Matthew 24:48-51). No legitimate accusation of either of these sins could be laid at Brother Russell's feet. (Ironically, the Jehovah's Witnesses, which postponed Jesus' coming to later dates and have historically oppressively ruled over people, have accused Bible students faithful to the original writings of Pastor Russell as the "evil slave class.")
Still it might be asserted out that Br. Russell "did not originate" all the doctrines he taught and that he "made mistakes." But he disclaimed divine inspiration though he obviously possessed divine guidance in his writings. A "servant" might be allowed to make mistakes whereas the apostles' words in Scripture would allow no room for mistakes. Brother Russell, as a willing candidate for this role, merely organized the assorted beliefs of the "cleansed sanctuary" class of the nineteenth century— which had freed itself from the doctrines of the Dark Ages. He was not an originator; he was an organizer and a dispenser. He was not a lord over others; he was a servant—a faithful servant.
"People in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones"
Edited by - RR on 4 January 2001 20:56:22
...to read "crisis of concience" and continue on believing that the organization is (or ever was) gods organization?
His books only confirmed what I already knew. Still it was no determining factor in my departure ...
"People in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones"
hey all, hope you're having a great year so far.. before witnet was closed down, there was an interesting discussion regarding the fds and their failed prophecies.
i asked a question, but unfortunately there wasn't enought time to get everyone's view.. so i'll rephrase my posts, and wait to hear from y'all.. if we are so quick to say that the fds is a false prophet because of some failed prophecies (even tho they say they don't prophecy, we all know better) then how would you explain the bible book of jonah?.
a faithful prophet, jonah, followed (after much trial and tribulation to himself) jehovah's command to declare destruction on the city of nineveh.
Charles Taze Russell was "that faithful and wise slave." 'nuff said!
