Posts by JWTom

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April 30, 1993

by pistolpete in

this year was actually “the beginning of the last days for the watchtower.

before this year, there were very few that questioned the watchtower.

they were truly god’s only channel.

For many the collapse of the generation teaching of 1914 and also the falsehood of the "Millions now living will never die" teaching (oops, all those many millions have all died). Also, at US Bethel there were some prominent members of the Gilead School that left when the decision was made that not all of the anointed were selected prior to 1935 - and that more anointed were being selected in current times (of course this had to be changed since all of the 1935-era anointed were about to die off, leaving none on the earth). The 1935 selection of anointed teaching was also a bedrock belief that has gone to the trashcan.

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So what have the rank and file been saying now that a vaccine is being given. What happened to Armageddon

by goingthruthemotions in

a vaccine is here!!!

the light at the end of the tunnel is visible!!!

so what happened to armageddon?.

JWTom

In JWLand there will always be a reason for the next thing or next view of what is happening. There is an explanation or scripture that will be used to justify a random position regardless of what reality is.

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Reading the Watchtower publications will give you an university education.

by Overrated in

jw
friends

the watchtower said that reading their stuff would get you a college education.

can anyone recall that gem?

my parents sure bought into that crap.

JWTom

@howthebiblewascreated @ funky

To be fair, there is a great deal about human nature, values and in some cases commerce that can be learned from a study of the bible. Also I would agree that in the magazines published from 1950s-1980s there was a great deal of interesting and educational content published that would benefit an average person in building knowledge.

Sadly though, what you need to survive in the world we live in is a well rounded education across many topics that are relevant in holding down a job to pay the bills. What WT offered never provided that.

Double sadly, in the U.S. for many years if you didn't have a piece of paper saying you went to college then you were also black-balled as someone that was not worth hiring for professional roles.

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Publisher's Record Cards

by Faded4good in

jw
friends

okay, i haven't been to a meeting in over 17 years and i don't live anywhere near the place i grew up.

i have had minimal contact with my jw family, essentially just occasional phone conversations.

i think they could easily guess that i'm inactive but they pretend not to know and they've never shunned me.

JWTom

Faded4Good - Yes, but also many of them are likely being trashed after 5-7 years. I was in a congregation for 16 years that was constantly a revolving door of elders, ministerial servants and publishers. The idea that anything was kept track of or organized is laughable.

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Publisher's Record Cards

by Faded4good in

jw
friends

okay, i haven't been to a meeting in over 17 years and i don't live anywhere near the place i grew up.

i have had minimal contact with my jw family, essentially just occasional phone conversations.

i think they could easily guess that i'm inactive but they pretend not to know and they've never shunned me.

JWTom

I was recently called by a random congregation several hundred miles away to validate that a person that used to be in the a local congregation when I was an elder was actually there and was in good standing at the time. I was the only person that this inactive publisher could remember from the original congregation due to being inactive for 5-7 years and the elder that called me said the original BOE could not even remember this person - much less find a PRC for her.

I would bet money that local BOEs cannot find a PRC after 3-5 years or won't expend the effort to find one even if it is buried somewhere in a local file cabinet.

Also, I continue to post this on here again and again. If any JW contacts you about ANYTHING that is a disciplinary matter....you simply need to say:

"I need to consult an attorney before talking further with you about any matter or before disclosing any personal information. Please contact me in 30 days to discuss further and during that time I will meet with my attorney and engage them for further discussion."

You will NEVER hear from that cong/brothers again since the JW Org runs from legal problems like scared rabbit.

You don't actually need to have an attorney or ever contact one....just say you need to have an attorney involved and they will drop it like a hot potato.

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Past Watchtower Society Comments On Vaccines

by BluesBrother in

today there is a lot of hope placed in a vaccines to immunise against covid 19 , and relief that they are soon to be available.

that will be shared by the eight million or so jws in this world.

they should be thankful that the wts has moved away from its teaching ,that lasted for decades , proclaiming that vaccination was wrong, and a tool of satan.

JWTom

You know, I would bet the vast majority of them are blissfully unaware of this strange doctrine in their past......

Most JWs have little knowledge about the crazy past of WTBTS, little understanding of the orgs. position on blood/blood fractions and no understanding of the detailed doctrinal beliefs (things like Joels prophecy).

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Meetings

by pontoon in

so remember how assembling together is a command and no man or government can stop us, even if it means going 'underground', even if means being arrested, jailed, beat....can't stop us from assembling together----until covid.

now it's "false regligion" fighting for their constitutional right to meet together while the jws seem to be perefectly happy zooming their lives away..

JWTom

In another post I brought up thoughts around "can you see the end of the JW Org based on either Financial or Legal problems".

Most commented that a slow decline of the JW global org is most likely.

My thought is possibly Covid and the current state of affairs within the JW org could hasten the decline/exodus of people.

For anyone that was part of JW Org in the 50s, 60s or 70s....the organization today is unrecognizable compared with how things were back then.

Many, many realize this and at least in their minds are thinking "all of this makes no sense and why is the JW Org in the ditch".

Unfortunately, there are so many liabilities in trying to leave JW Org and many that are older have few options or support outside JW Org that they are stuck. A sad but true reality for many.

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Are Jehovah's Witnesses running a race with no end in sight?

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

horse racing lengths vary from just a couple of furlongs to several hundred miles, if you count the mongolian derby.

in britain, horse racing rules state that races should be over a minimum of five furlongs, while the longest race is over 4m2½f.. .

nascar races generally last anywhere from 1.5 to 4 hours, depending on the length of the race, number of laps and track conditions.

JWTom

As you age as a born-in JW you have to embrace two realities. That you are going to die and not realize anything the JW Org has been saying. Or that you cannot figure out any good way to exit JW Org without it being a massive wrecking of your life (assuming that much of your personal life is wrapped up in being a JW).

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Conversation with my PIMI Dad concerning zoom meetings

by joey jojo in

in a recent conversation with my dad, i asked how he was enjoying the zoom meetings.

he lives in a rural part of australia, virtually untouched by covid-19, in fact, the state he lives in has a limit on religious gatherings of 300, which could easily handle the average attendance of congregation meetings.

so i asked why don't they resume meetings as usual?.

JWTom

Joey - Similar discussion in the link below. I have been trying to come up with scenarios where possibly the Corp JW Org is going to collapse in some way. I could only come up with a financial or pandemic related collapse becoming reality. With the release of the January/February Meeting Workbooks - it is now clear the Corp JW Org is pretending nothing has happened with the pandemic and all is normal (which is insane). Existing JWs (like me) continue to attend zoom meetings where everything is about the door to door ministry even though there is none! Again, insane! But PIMI JWs are simply blind to anything that would suggest the Corp JW Org is in the ditch spinning its wheels to stay alive!

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5732828535848960/collapse-jw-org-possibly-on-horizon

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Watchtowers next big revenue stream!

by nowwhat? in

evidently it would seem the wt sold the rights and will get royalties from "listen obey and be blessed.." this obviously is a trial balloon for what's to come.

kim and mikey alluded to this and i have been wondering why they are planning on spending hundreds of millions on a new movie studio in n.y. and also in australia just for the benefit of the few million jdub's.

well here's the answer, they are going to make money off the royalties from their music and video content selling to other church groups.

JWTom

Same question I posted on another thread on this topic. Any intelligence or background on how this happened? For existing JWs this is a pretty significant sign that things are in the ditch. But likely few will see this video or even know this has been done.