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  Sighhhhhhhh, the Draw Close to Jehovah book again for the Congregation Bible Study.

  by Stand for Pure Worship in

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  check out this gem from the dec 2013 km which explains why it's good to over this book a second go round.. "congregations previously considered this book during 2004 and 2005. however,for many of the approximately two million publishers who have come into the truth since then,this will be the first time that jehovahs endearing qualities have been discussed in detail.for those who studied the book before, the review will help them to deepen their appreciation forjehovahs attributes.ps.119:14".

  i gotta kick out of this because i can only think of maybe two or three new ones in our congregation who weren't present when this book was first studied.

  at the same time, going over jehovah's qualities isn't something new.

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  Phizzy,

  My pioneer wife says exactly that. You nailed it.

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  The 1914 generation is still going strong 100 years later - 2014 study article.

  by THE GLADIATOR in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  january 2014 watchtower study article.

  let your kingdom comebut when?.

  this generation will not pass away.

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  This was taken from the jw website when they first published the new FDS light.
  It explains why there could not have been a resurrection since 1914, but is future:

  When Does Jesus Appoint the Slave “Over All His Belongings”?Jesus said that the “master on arriving” (literally, “having come”) will appoint the slave “over all his belongings.” When does the Master, Jesus, arrive?

  The expression translated “on arriving” is a form of the Greek word er′kho·mai. Verses 42 and 44 of chapter 24 translate a form of er′kho·mai as “coming.” In those verses, Jesus is referring to his coming as Judge during the great tribulation.—Matthew 24:30; 25:31, 32.

  Jesus’ appointment of the “slave” over his “belongings,” then, must also be a future event. He will make that appointment during the great tribulation.

  What Are Jesus’ “Belongings”?Jesus said: “All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth.” (Matthew 28:18) Jesus’ “belongings” thus include more than just his earthly interests. They include the Messianic Kingdom.—Philippians 2:9-11.

  Consequently, Jesus will reward “the faithful and discreet slave” by resurrecting the individual members of that group to heavenly life and by giving them royal authority over all Christ’s belongings in heaven and on earth. This is the same reward promised to all faithful anointed Christians.—Luke 22:28-30; Revelation 20:6.

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  So this reward is still future ("will reward").
  We used to be taught that some were already resurrected and communicating truths down to earth. Well that could only be done by the FDS, and the FDS don't get their reward until the Gt Trib. Future.

  Also, they have not been appointed over all the masters possessions yet - that is future too, pending that they are deemed righteous and not wicked.

  So if they have not even been judged righteous or wicked yet, how can they be rewarded with resurrection to heaven?

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  JW. Org logon to email them

  by sherrie11 in

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  it doesn't allow anyone to register.

  are they to scared of the feedback from those who know ' the truth about the truth'.

  it seems to me they should not even have a contact us function (especially if your main form of contact is email, which is the norm for 2013) who designed this thing................. are the elders and the privileged jw's sent their logon details... i would love to know the secret squirrel shite.

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  Elders and servants get access to additional, non-public areas of the site.

  Depending on needs, even these other areas aren't available to all.

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  The 1914 generation is still going strong 100 years later - 2014 study article.

  by THE GLADIATOR in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  january 2014 watchtower study article.

  let your kingdom comebut when?.

  this generation will not pass away.

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  Fisherman But since the first group dies and goes to heaven in the twinkle of an eye

  Is this still what is taught?

  I thought that the 'appointing of the slave over all the masters belongings' was changed from past (1919) to future (Great Trib), so now there is no resurrection to heaven in 1919 since the master has not arrived in that sense, and the FDS have not yet been inspected or declared 'Happy'.

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  The 1914 generation is still going strong 100 years later - 2014 study article.

  by THE GLADIATOR in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  january 2014 watchtower study article.

  let your kingdom comebut when?.

  this generation will not pass away.

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  Hi yadda yadda 2

  Here are some of your examples of the Bible's definition of a Generation:

  35 years: (Job 42:16, 17) "And Job continued living after this a hundred and forty years and came to see his sons and his grandsons—four generations.

  37 years: Jerusalem was destroyed about 37 years later when Jesus said "this generation will by no means pass away"

  38 years: Deut 2:14 - And the days that we walked from Ka′desh-bar′ne·a until we crossed the torrent valley of Ze′red were thirty-eight years, until all the generation of the men of war had come to their end.

  (Mt 1:17) "All the generations, then, from Abraham until David were fourteen generations, and from David until the deportation to Babylon fourteen generations, and from the deportation to Babylon until the Christ fourteen generations":

  - Abraham to David : 2018BCE -> 1107BCE /14 generations = 65 years
  - David to deportation : 1107BCE -> 617BCE / 14 generations = 35 years
  - Deportation to Christ : 617BCE -> 29CE / 14 generations = 46 years

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  The 1914 generation is still going strong 100 years later - 2014 study article.

  by THE GLADIATOR in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  january 2014 watchtower study article.

  let your kingdom comebut when?.

  this generation will not pass away.

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  If you overlap with Freddy Franz then there's still another 40 years to go.

  Fred Franz. Born 1893. Baptized 1913. Died December 1992. This makes him Overlapper Group 1.

  Someone could theoretically be born 1972, baptised/anointed 1992, thus overlapping FF and being in Overlapper Group 2.
  Born 1972, live to be 80 and die in 2052 = end of 'this generation' is 2052, 220 years after the earliest overlapper generation were born.

  This 'not excessively long' generation can now realistically be 220 years long and counting!!

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  The 1914 generation is still going strong 100 years later - 2014 study article.

  by THE GLADIATOR in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  january 2014 watchtower study article.

  let your kingdom comebut when?.

  this generation will not pass away.

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  Previously in this thread I posted:

  Group 1: Born 1894. Anointed at 20 in 1914. Died at 80 in 1974
  Group 2: Born 1954. Anointed at 20 in 1974. Dies at 80 in 2034

  But I see now I have to revise it to add an earlier line, also Group 1:

  Group 1: Born 1834. Anointed at 20 in 1854. Died at 80 in 1914
  Group 1: Born 1894. Anointed at 20 in 1914. Died at 80 in 1974
  Group 2: Born 1954. Anointed at 20 in 1974. Dies at 80 in 2034

  This illustrates that the first group could be made up from people who were born anywhere between 1834-1894, who were anointed by 20 and lived for 80 years.

  This means that 'this generation' extends from 1834 - 2034. A nice round 200 year old 'generation' which quite contradicts the w10 4/15 article which stated:
  "we do well to keep in mind several things about the word “generation”: It usually refers to people of varying ages whose lives overlap during a particular time period; it is not excessively long;"

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  Sighhhhhhhh, the Draw Close to Jehovah book again for the Congregation Bible Study.

  by Stand for Pure Worship in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  check out this gem from the dec 2013 km which explains why it's good to over this book a second go round.. "congregations previously considered this book during 2004 and 2005. however,for many of the approximately two million publishers who have come into the truth since then,this will be the first time that jehovahs endearing qualities have been discussed in detail.for those who studied the book before, the review will help them to deepen their appreciation forjehovahs attributes.ps.119:14".

  i gotta kick out of this because i can only think of maybe two or three new ones in our congregation who weren't present when this book was first studied.

  at the same time, going over jehovah's qualities isn't something new.

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  DOC What was the NET increase? How many left?

  Service Year	Peak Pubs	Increase	% over previous year	Baptised	% over previous year	Memorial	Partakers	Congs	Lands	Left or Died
  2003-04	6,513,132	83,781	1.303	262,416	1.38	16,760,607	8,570	96,894	235	178,635
  2004-05	6,613,829	100,697	1.546	247,631	-5.63	16,383,333	8,524	98,269	235	146,934
  2005-06	6,741,444	127,615	1.930	248,327	0.28	16,675,113	8,758	99,770	236	120,712
  2006-07	6,957,854	216,410	3.210	298,304	20.13	17,672,443	9,105	101,376	236	81,894
  2007-08	7,124,443	166,589	2.394	289,678	-2.89	17,790,631	9,986	103,267	236	123,089
  2008-09	7,313,173	188,730	2.649	276,233	-4.64	18,168,323	10,857	105,298	236	87,503
  2009-10	7,508,050	194,877	2.665	294,368	6.57	18,706,895	11,202	107,000	236	99,491
  2010-11	7,659,019	150,969	2.011	263,131	-10.61	19,374,737	11,824	109,403	236	112,162
  2011-12	7,782,346	123,327	1.610	268,777	2.15	19,013,343	12,604	111,719	239	145,450
  2012-13	7,965,954	183,608	2.359	277,344	3.19					93,736

  So roughly 2.2 million were baptised from 05-06 onwards.
  At the same time about 864,000 left or died.
  Nett increase since 04-05 is just over 1,350,000. This is the equivilent of 2.4% per year.

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  The 1914 generation is still going strong 100 years later - 2014 study article.

  by THE GLADIATOR in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  january 2014 watchtower study article.

  let your kingdom comebut when?.

  this generation will not pass away.

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  Hi DD,

  Good additional info!

  Can I propose you call your first sub group 'other sheep', but not a 'Great Crowd of other sheep'?
  I'm thinking of John 10:16 "I have other sheep which are not of this fold". Jesus was speaking in the present tense (which raises other questions ).

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  The 1914 generation is still going strong 100 years later - 2014 study article.

  by THE GLADIATOR in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  january 2014 watchtower study article.

  let your kingdom comebut when?.

  this generation will not pass away.

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  Hi Fisherman,

  No problem in you or anyone asserting your view - I like to call it 'discussion'

  If we're talking technicalities then you are correct - the WT does not allocate ages to the groups they refer to. They will never do this and they will never give start and end years for 'this generation'. They like to deal in generalities so they have lots of wriggle room later.

  If we're talking about what they seem to be impressing on the flock(s), then the two groups must be distanced by age, otherwise it does not achieve their goal of covering over their last false prediction for 'this generation' while adding sufficient (but not too much) additional time for the coming of the GT.

  If there isn't a large number of years between the two groups then either this new light is about to be proven wrong when all those from around 1914 die out, or the GT will be in the next 2 or 3 years, which the WT do not seem to be saying either.

  For me, when I read their latest explanation, they are putting another 20 years on the meter.

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