january 2014 watchtower study article.
let your kingdom comebut when?.
this generation will not pass away.
And that whole 1914 thing has been thoroughly and totally debunked on these forums.
To think they have to bend facts, misquote sources and still end up with a blind "well we trust the Bible more than we trust man" explanation!
It just insane. Generation, 1914, FDS. It's all just insane.
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january 2014 watchtower study article.
let your kingdom comebut when?.
this generation will not pass away.
OK seen it.
So they state that the anointed are resurrected as they die during Christs presence, but that still doesn't explain how they have been judged worthy by then, since that only occurs at the time of the Gt Trib.
This they stated as their introduction to the New Light, in Oct 2012:
When Does Jesus Appoint the Slave “Over All His Belongings”?Jesus said that the “master on arriving” (literally, “having come”) will appoint the slave “over all his belongings.” When does the Master, Jesus, arrive?
The expression translated “on arriving” is a form of the Greek word er′kho·mai. Verses 42 and 44 of chapter 24 translate a form of er′kho·mai as “coming.” In those verses, Jesus is referring to his coming as Judge during the great tribulation.—
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Another contradiction from them then.
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january 2014 watchtower study article.
let your kingdom comebut when?.
this generation will not pass away.
Fisherman - Well that's pretty up to date!
EDIT to add:
Neither of those two quotes are actually in the Feb 2014 WT Fisherman.
Where did you get them from?
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jw leaks has published the respondent's brief prepared by rick simons in the case: candace conti v. watchtower bible and tract society of new york & fremont congregation of jehovah's witnesses.
(90 pages).
http://jwleaks.org/candace-conti/.
Is he this guy?
check out this gem from the dec 2013 km which explains why it's good to over this book a second go round.. "congregations previously considered this book during 2004 and 2005. however,for many of the approximately two million publishers who have come into the truth since then,this will be the first time that jehovahs endearing qualities have been discussed in detail.for those who studied the book before, the review will help them to deepen their appreciation forjehovahs attributes.ps.119:14".
i gotta kick out of this because i can only think of maybe two or three new ones in our congregation who weren't present when this book was first studied.
at the same time, going over jehovah's qualities isn't something new.
Phizzy,
My pioneer wife says exactly that. You nailed it.
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january 2014 watchtower study article.
let your kingdom comebut when?.
this generation will not pass away.
This was taken from the jw website when they first published the new FDS light.
It explains why there could not have been a resurrection since 1914, but is future:
When Does Jesus Appoint the Slave “Over All His Belongings”?Jesus said that the “master on arriving” (literally, “having come”) will appoint the slave “over all his belongings.” When does the Master, Jesus, arrive?
The expression translated “on arriving” is a form of the Greek word er′kho·mai. Verses 42 and 44 of chapter 24 translate a form of er′kho·mai as “coming.” In those verses, Jesus is referring to his coming as Judge during the great tribulation.—Matthew 24:30; 25:31, 32.
Jesus’ appointment of the “slave” over his “belongings,” then, must also be a future event. He will make that appointment during the great tribulation.
What Are Jesus’ “Belongings”?Jesus said: “All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth.” (Matthew 28:18) Jesus’ “belongings” thus include more than just his earthly interests. They include the Messianic Kingdom.—Philippians 2:9-11.
Consequently, Jesus will reward “the faithful and discreet slave” by resurrecting the individual members of that group to heavenly life and by giving them royal authority over all Christ’s belongings in heaven and on earth. This is the same reward promised to all faithful anointed Christians.—Luke 22:28-30; Revelation 20:6.
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So this reward is still future ("will reward").
We used to be taught that some were already resurrected and communicating truths down to earth. Well that could only be done by the FDS, and the FDS don't get their reward until the Gt Trib. Future.
Also, they have not been appointed over all the masters possessions yet - that is future too, pending that they are deemed righteous and not wicked.
So if they have not even been judged righteous or wicked yet, how can they be rewarded with resurrection to heaven?
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it doesn't allow anyone to register.
are they to scared of the feedback from those who know ' the truth about the truth'.
it seems to me they should not even have a contact us function (especially if your main form of contact is email, which is the norm for 2013) who designed this thing................. are the elders and the privileged jw's sent their logon details... i would love to know the secret squirrel shite.
Elders and servants get access to additional, non-public areas of the site.
Depending on needs, even these other areas aren't available to all.
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january 2014 watchtower study article.
let your kingdom comebut when?.
this generation will not pass away.
Fisherman But since the first group dies and goes to heaven in the twinkle of an eye
Is this still what is taught?
I thought that the 'appointing of the slave over all the masters belongings' was changed from past (1919) to future (Great Trib), so now there is no resurrection to heaven in 1919 since the master has not arrived in that sense, and the FDS have not yet been inspected or declared 'Happy'.
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january 2014 watchtower study article.
let your kingdom comebut when?.
this generation will not pass away.
Hi yadda yadda 2
Here are some of your examples of the Bible's definition of a Generation:
35 years: (Job 42:16, 17) "And Job continued living after this a hundred and forty years and came to see his sons and his grandsons—four generations.
37 years: Jerusalem was destroyed about 37 years later when Jesus said "this generation will by no means pass away"
38 years: Deut 2:14 - And the days that we walked from Ka′desh-bar′ne·a until we crossed the torrent valley of Ze′red were thirty-eight years, until all the generation of the men of war had come to their end.
(Mt 1:17) "All the generations, then, from Abraham until David were fourteen generations, and from David until the deportation to Babylon fourteen generations, and from the deportation to Babylon until the Christ fourteen generations":
- Abraham to David : 2018BCE -> 1107BCE /14 generations = 65 years
- David to deportation : 1107BCE -> 617BCE / 14 generations = 35 years
- Deportation to Christ : 617BCE -> 29CE / 14 generations = 46 years
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january 2014 watchtower study article.
let your kingdom comebut when?.
this generation will not pass away.
If you overlap with Freddy Franz then there's still another 40 years to go.
Fred Franz. Born 1893. Baptized 1913. Died December 1992. This makes him Overlapper Group 1.
Someone could theoretically be born 1972, baptised/anointed 1992, thus overlapping FF and being in Overlapper Group 2.
Born 1972, live to be 80 and die in 2052 = end of 'this generation' is 2052, 220 years after the earliest overlapper generation were born.
This 'not excessively long' generation can now realistically be 220 years long and counting!!
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