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  1975 end prediction

  by FL_Panthers in

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  does anyone have the article written by the wt saying that the end would come in 1975?.

  how did people back then come to this year?

  i need this information becuase i was told, this was never literally written by the wt in any publication.. thanks.

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  Few more teasers:

  'What about the year 1975? What is it going to mean, dear friends?' asked Brother Franz. 'Does it mean that Armageddon is going to be finished, with Satan bound, by 1975? It could! It could! All things are possible with God. Does it mean that Babylon the Great is going to go down by 1975? It could.'

  Kingdom Ministry, 3/68, p. 4 "...there are only about ninety months left before 6000 years of man's existence on earth is completed.... The majority of people living today will probably be alive when Armageddon breaks out, and there are no resurrection hopes for those who are destroyed then."

  Kingdom Ministry, 6/69, p. 3 "In view of the short time left, a decision to pursue a career in this system of things is not only unwise but extremely dangerous."

  The Nations Shall Know that I am Jehovah—How? 1971 p.216. “Shortly, within our twentieth century, the "battle in the day of Jehovah" will begin against the modern antitype of Jerusalem, Christendom."

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  Then there was the change to having a six-month study with interested persons, since any more than that was a waste of the ever decreasing time left:

  *** w69 5/15 p. 312 Have You Been Studying for Six Months? ***
  In view of the short time left in which to do their work, Jehovah’s witnesses do not continue to study the Bible with any who fail to respond to its urgent message within six months. The nearness of this system’s end compels them to use their time in the most effective way possible. So they feel obligated to spend their time calling on someone else who might respond by attending meetings at the Kingdom Hall and by speaking to others about the Bible truths learned. Thus it may be that if you have not as yet responded by even becoming a regular attender at some of the congregation meetings, the one who is studying the Bible with you may cancel that study arrangement in order to give his time to someone else. This arrangement is not meant to be harsh, but the urgency of the times in which we live demands it.
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  1975 end prediction

  by FL_Panthers in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  does anyone have the article written by the wt saying that the end would come in 1975?.

  how did people back then come to this year?

  i need this information becuase i was told, this was never literally written by the wt in any publication.. thanks.

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  And if nothing was meant regarding 1975, why make changes to cover it up afterwards:

  Two instances of the 'Truth' book trying to conceal '1975' between being written in 1968 and revised in 1981:

  Instance 1:

  The Truth that Leads to Eternal Life (book) 1968 pg.9 ch.1 Grand Blessings from God Near at Hand! [As published in original 1968 edition]

  Also, as reported back in 1960, a former United States Secretary of State, Dean Acheson, declared that our time is "a period of unequaled instability, unequaled violence." And he warned: "I know enough of what is going on to assure you that, in fifteen years from today[i.e. in 1975], this world is going to be too dangerous to live in."

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  The Truth that Leads to Eternal Life (book) 1981 pg.9 ch.1 Grand Blessings from God Near at Hand! [As published in 1981 edition]

  Also, as reported back in 1960, a former United States Secretary of State, Dean Acheson, declared that our time is "a period of unequaled instability, unequaled violence." Based on what he knew was then going on in the world, it was his conclusion that soon[original quote removed!] "this world is going to be too dangerous to live in."

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  Instance 2:

  The Truth that Leads to Eternal Life (book) 1968
  p.88-89 ch.10 God's Kingdom Comes to Power in the Midst of Its Enemies
  [As published in original 1968 edition]

  More recently, the book entitled "Famine-1975!" [by W. & P. Paddock, 1967, pp. 52, 55, 61.] said concerning today's food shortages:

  "Hunger is rampant throughout country after country, continent after continent around the undeveloped belt of the tropics and subtropics. Today's crisis can move in only one direction - toward catastrophe. Today hungry nations; tomorrow starving nations.

  By 1975 civil disorder, anarchy, military dictatorships, runaway inflation, transportation breakdowns and chaotic unrest will be the order of the day in many of the hungry nations."

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  The Truth that Leads to Eternal Life (book) 1981
  p.88-89 ch.10 God's Kingdom Comes to Power in the Midst of Its Enemies
  [As published in 1981 edition]

  More recent reports have shown that a constant lack of adequate food, resulting in chronic malnutrition, has become the "major world hunger problem today." The London Times reported:

  "There have always been famines, but the scale and ubiquity of hunger today is on a totally new scale. . . . Today malnutrition is said to affect more than a thousand million people; perhaps as many as 400 million live constantly on the brink of starvation."-June 3, 1980.
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  COBE cannot be 80 or more

  by fader77 in

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  a new letter no longer allows an elder to be cobe if hes 80 or more.

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  What a way to treat Jehovah's long faithful "glorious ones"!

  How is forcing them to retire "reckoning them worthy of double honour"?

  Are we "holding men of that sort dear" when we tell them they're past it now?

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  What is spirit, exactly?

  by Viviane in

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  i've always wondered that.

  recently i asked that question on another thread and didn't really get ananswer.

  cofty made an excellent point that we often hear what it isn't, but that really isn't useful.. so, what is it?

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  viviane what is the relevance of that question? How will it get us closer to an answer of what is spirit made of?

  jgnat The usefulness of polls:

  snare Also what is the value in taking a poll on the belief of spirit on a religious forum. The data is bias beyond any value........and the answer has nothing to do with reality or truth.

  It appeared to me the interest in this topic was waning with few contributors.
  I thought a simple poll might re-engage some posters or some lurkers.

  It would be pretty stupid to think a poll is anything other than a collection of peoples opinions

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  COBE cannot be 80 or more

  by fader77 in

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  a new letter no longer allows an elder to be cobe if hes 80 or more.

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  So if they cannot be COBE because it is presumably too much for them, what about TMS overseer, Secretary, WT conductor, Service overseer?

  Some of these jobs are more demanding than COBE.

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  What is spirit, exactly?

  by Viviane in

  1. watchtower
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  i've always wondered that.

  recently i asked that question on another thread and didn't really get ananswer.

  cofty made an excellent point that we often hear what it isn't, but that really isn't useful.. so, what is it?

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  Thanks caliber.

  Anyone else think 'spirit' is some kind of power?

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  What is spirit, exactly?

  by Viviane in

  1. watchtower
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  i've always wondered that.

  recently i asked that question on another thread and didn't really get ananswer.

  cofty made an excellent point that we often hear what it isn't, but that really isn't useful.. so, what is it?

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  Splash

  OK, so let's take a quick poll here.

  Who thinks that 'spirit' is some kind of power, albeit one that we do not at present have instruments that can measure it?

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  What is spirit, exactly?

  by Viviane in

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  i've always wondered that.

  recently i asked that question on another thread and didn't really get ananswer.

  cofty made an excellent point that we often hear what it isn't, but that really isn't useful.. so, what is it?

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  By saying my comments are off topic, you indicate I have failed in my explanation.
  To assist, please read the entire post, since it is easy to extract individual sentences and project them as being off topic when in actuality they are merely smaller parts of a larger whole.

  Let me try to do better, with the analogy of a memory.
  Where does it reside? What does it look like? How can the memory be harvested or examined?
  When the body dies, where do the memories go?
  How is it that all memories, despite them being so different and including things such as sound, vision, smell etc, all look the same at the physical level?

  Here's where it links to the current topic.
  'Spirit' is not alone in being difficult to define.
  Some (and I'm not saying anyone here) may use this difficulty to refute that spirit exists, simply because it is difficult to define.
  However we have personal experience of other things which are difficult to define (memories - not the causes or effects or even holding places of memories, but memories themselves) yet accept these exist.

  The manifestion of spirit at pentecost 33CE was the image of tongues of fire, and the ability to speak in tongues.
  This indicates that this type of spirit is a power of some sort. Maybe it is a form of power that we have not yet encountered anywhere else, and therefore struggle to describe it using the limited understanding available to us today.

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  What is spirit, exactly?

  by Viviane in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've always wondered that.

  recently i asked that question on another thread and didn't really get ananswer.

  cofty made an excellent point that we often hear what it isn't, but that really isn't useful.. so, what is it?

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  cofty Actually it is. It is a set of connections between neurons. It was announced yesterday that it may be possible to use lasers to delete specific memories.

  I have to say that I'm constantly amazed by medical progress.

  But if a memory is a physical thing, why can it not be observed? Only the memory 'holders' can be observed.
  By destroying certain neurons with a laser, we are only destroying the memory holder, thus losing the memory.

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  New Light: I hear all the time as the Armageddon gets closer the light get's brighter

  by goingthruthemotions in

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  new light: i hear all the time as the armageddon gets closer the light get's brighter.

  where in the bible is this supported.

  all i could fined is in.

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  Splash

  "A new view of truth can never contradict a former truth. 'New Light' never extinguishes old light, but simply adds to it" .

  zions watch tower feb 1881 p3.

  There's been new light on this.

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