ADCMS, adding points 12 and 13.
12. Have unqualified men interrogate the victim, making them describe the abuse in fine detail.
13. Threaten and disfellowship the victim so noone else can talk to them to hear their side.
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breaking news :charity commission takes watchtower to charity tribunal in britain.
two weeks ago we run an article about the abuse case in moston manchester congregation .it would seem that the coverage from the main local newspaper manchester evening news and two national newspapers has alarmed the charity commission the official regulator for charities in england and wales and now for the first time !
they opened an official investigation on both charities ,the local one ,moston congragation and the central one jehovah's witnesses of britain indicating that in their eyes these two are connected and liable for any misconduct .this is the time for a concentrated campaign from all of us to inform the charity commission why the watchtower should not be a called a charity .the article above has a link for the charity commission complaint page .follow it!.
ADCMS, adding points 12 and 13.
12. Have unqualified men interrogate the victim, making them describe the abuse in fine detail.
13. Threaten and disfellowship the victim so noone else can talk to them to hear their side.
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if i remember right(unlikely, lol) it was a one-page article about the tetragrammaton which concluded by saying that even though "jehovah" was 'probably' not an accurate pronunciation, it is a widely-recognized and accepted english transliteration of the divine name.
i was thinking it was on the last page or maybe the back cover of a wt pub - maybe a watchtower.. can someone please direct me to the publication it was in?
i read it when i was still 'in' and it made me stop and think about how much emphasis the wt puts on that name, all while knowing it's not the name.
*** rs p. 202 Jehovah’s Witnesses *** How old is the religion of Jehovah’s Witnesses?"
"According to the Bible, the line of witnesses of Jehovah reaches back to faithful Abel"
More clever word-smithing from the wt.
This question is about the beliefs, the religion of Jehovah's Witnesses, which go back to to the late 1800's.
The answer centres (textually and literally) on the word 'witnesses', something altogether different.
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manchester new moston congregation of jehovah's witnesses is at the centre of reports that a convicted offender was allowed to question his victims at a public meetingthe charity commission has opened an operational compliance case into a manchester-based jehovahs witness congregation following concerns about how it protects vulnerable beneficiaries.. the commission said it was in discussions with manchester new moston congregation of jehovahs witnesses after reports in the manchester evening news that a congregation member, jonathan rose, who was recently released from prison after serving nine months for the indecent of assault of two girls, was allowed to question his victims in front of congregation elders.
the victims were required to recount the abuse at the meeting in order to have rose barred from the church, the paper says.. a spokeswoman for the commission said: "the commission has ongoing serious concerns about the manchester new moston congregation of jehovahs witnesses in connection with its policies and procedures for the protection of vulnerable beneficiaries.
we are engaging with the charitys trustees about our concerns.
Even if the procedures were bulletproof, many elders are either too proud or too incompetent to follow instructions.
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Ah. The good old days.
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wouldn't it be great to see the big 8, wel the big 8 in the jw world not the national leaders big 8, ehem.. if they would all grow a beard for the next business meeting in october, where the nu-lite(r) is that beards are ok for men.. could someone photoshop one of the prevalent new smiley photos of the gb and put a few weeks of whisker growth on them?.
just wondering what it would look like.
not duck dynasty length, perhaps, but nicely trimmed full beards, or maybe goatees.. what do you think it would look like?
Loesch looks great. It really suits him !!
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i don't even know what the bloody event is called anymore.
i think it's still a district convention until it goes to two days, isn't it?
my convention program leaflet just says "convention of jehovah's witnesses", seemingly intentionally avoiding the change in wording.
Going back to Pauls words about the three heavens, traditionally the jews regarded these as
1. The air and atmosphere, eg where birds fly
2. The universe, stars and planets
3. The heavenly abode of God
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i don't even know what the bloody event is called anymore.
i think it's still a district convention until it goes to two days, isn't it?
my convention program leaflet just says "convention of jehovah's witnesses", seemingly intentionally avoiding the change in wording.
Thanks for the recap Apognophos.
Actually the 'three paradises' thing is 40 years old, but rarely repeated and very little known.
Maybe the link to Paul's 'third heaven' is new.
*** Mans Salvation (1975) chap. 6 p. 90 The Promise of a Spiritual Paradise ***
"Since these promises were made to different kinds of persons, the first to a non-Christian and the second to a victorious Christian, two different paradises must here be meant, the first an earthly one, the second a heavenly one. Jehovah’s “Servant” has to do with both.
2 Each of those paradises was future at the time of Jesus’ mention of them. Also, they were to be enjoyed only after the death of the individual and his resurrection from the dead in God’s due time. But there is a paradise that is being enjoyed by those who are now living on the earth. Since mankind’s earthly environment is more and more being polluted and the surface of the earth is no paradise today, the paradise at present being enjoyed on earth by true Christian worshipers of Jehovah must be a figurative one, a spiritual paradise"
i have been reading this forum for umpteen years and have heard of so many ways that the watchtower is making money.. .
would you mind contributing to help me compile a list?.
to start:.
KHAA - Kingdom Hall Assistance Arrangement
TOAA - Travelling Overseer's Assistance Arrangement (which goes towards all their iPads)
Monthly contributions to the local assembly halls
Monthly contributions to the District Convention funds
"those who are acquainted with the situation in the congregation should never say hello or goodbye to him.
he is not welcome in our midst, we avoid him.
such an individual has no place in the clean organization or congregation of god.
CAN SAY "HELLO" TO A DISFELLOWSHIPPED MEMBER?
1970 NO - WT 6/1/70 p.352
1972 NO - Organization for Kingdom Preaching..., 1972, p.172
1974 YES - WT 8/1/74 pp.464,465
1974 YES - WT 74 8/1 p. 471 par. 21 - 22
1981 NO - WT 9/15/81 p.25
2013 jw.org Feb 2013 - Shunning is bullying:
2013 NO - WT 6/15/2013 p.28
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=potrr2qxhue.
.. if armageddon is "imminent", why is wt focused on sight-seeing, entertainment, travel, etc.
instead of preaching and saving people??.
Ah, seen it now, thanks!!
Showed my other half. She looked at me as if to say "Is this for real?"
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