w11 7/15 p. 16 par. 6 Will You Heed Jehovah's Clear Warnings?
"How can we protect ourselves against false teachers? The Bible's
counsel regarding how to deal with them is clear. (Read Romans 16:17; 2 John 9-11.) 'Avoid them,' says God's Word. Other
translations render that phrase 'turn away from them,' 'keep away from them,'
and 'stay away from them!' There is nothing ambiguous about that inspired
counsel."
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7Turning disassociation around on the org
by tim3l0rd inrecently i was researching the scripture used to justify why da'd ones were to be shunned the same as df'd ones and decided that this could easily be turned around.
they use 2 john 9-11.. 9 everyone who pushes ahead and does not remain in the teaching of the christ does not have god.+ the one who does remain in this teaching is the one who has both the father and the son.
10 if anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him.
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Very Offensive Statement Directed To JW Parents-Watchtower 4/15/2015 Page 11 Paragraph 9
by JW GoneBad inwt is insinuating, worse yet, blaming senior jw parents for there not being more younger brothers reaching out to be ministerial servants and elders.
page 11 paragraph 9 reads as follows: .
"elders in affluent lands may face an added challenge: how to motivate baptized brothers in their 20s or 30s to get involved in congregation activities.
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It seems to be a very long standing problem.
Maybe this is just a regular article they wheel out periodically.ARE THERE ENOUGH ELDERS?
NO - w15 4/15 p. 4 par. 3 Elders, How Do You Feel About Training Others?
more brothers are needed to keep existing congregations spiritually strong and to allow new congregations to be formed.YES - es15 p. 94 September
Jehovah certainly has provided an abundance of spiritual menNO - w14 9/15 p. 3 Are You “Reaching Out”?
there is a need for more brothers to reach outYES - w13 11/15 p. 20 par. 16 Seven Shepherds, Eight Dukes—What They Mean for Us Today
Today, Jehovah certainly has provided an abundance of spiritual men to shepherd his precious sheepNO - w11 11/15 p. 2 Table of Contents
There is a need for men who can take the lead in spiritual mattersNO - p. 28 par. 2 Train Others to Reach Out
there continues to be a need for men to take the lead in spiritual matters. For instance, Christian elders are greatly needed.NO - p. 32 par. 17 Train Others to Reach Out
consider the fact that there is a great need for mature men to accept privileges of service in God’s organizationNO - w10 5/15 p. 24 par. 3 Brothers—Sow to the Spirit and Reach Out!
there is a great need for ministerial servants and elders todayNO - w06 11/15 p. 13 A School Whose Graduates Benefit People Worldwide
there is an ever-increasing need for dedicated men to reach out for greater responsibilityNO - w01 1/1 p. 9 par. 7 Be Built Up by Love
there is a great need for more eldersNO - w93 1/1 p. 21 par. 14 Shepherding With Our Grand Creator
There is an outstanding need for all baptized male Witnesses to reach out for further privilegesNO - w90 4/15 p. 25 ‘Fishing for Men’ in Belize
There is a great need for mature brothers to take the lead in the congregations.YES - w80 9/1 p. 21 par. 1 Overseers—Be Fine Examples to “the Flock”
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Very Offensive Statement Directed To JW Parents-Watchtower 4/15/2015 Page 11 Paragraph 9
by JW GoneBad inwt is insinuating, worse yet, blaming senior jw parents for there not being more younger brothers reaching out to be ministerial servants and elders.
page 11 paragraph 9 reads as follows: .
"elders in affluent lands may face an added challenge: how to motivate baptized brothers in their 20s or 30s to get involved in congregation activities.
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Who is it who provides the elders for the congregations?
*** w11 6/15 p. 25 par. 3 “Have Regard for Those Who Are Working Hard Among You” ***
"How do you view the “gifts in men” whom God through Christ has provided in your congregation?"*** w10 9/15 p. 18 par. 8 Christian Unity Glorifies God ***
"Jesus has provided “gifts in men” to help unify the congregation"
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Going back to the 2008 Generation
by FusionTheism init looks to me like the society is rapidly moving back to the february 2008 watchtower "new light" on "this generation," which said this:.
* jesus used "this generation" to mean "anointed ones.".
* in the first fulfillment, jesus was promising that some anointed ones would still be alive to witness the events of 70 c.e.. * in the secondary fulfillment, jesus was promising that some anointed ones would still be alive when jesus returns to judge the sheep and goats.. the new 2015 jw research guide posted on jw.org lists this 2008 watchtower article as the first article people should read about the "clarified understanding" of the generation.. this 2008 view also matches the statement in the new 2015 jesus--the way, the truth, the life book, which says that "this generation" refers to disciples who see the signs of the last days.. i think they are abandoning the overlapping part..
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So that alone gives us a definition of how long a generation is.
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Going back to the 2008 Generation
by FusionTheism init looks to me like the society is rapidly moving back to the february 2008 watchtower "new light" on "this generation," which said this:.
* jesus used "this generation" to mean "anointed ones.".
* in the first fulfillment, jesus was promising that some anointed ones would still be alive to witness the events of 70 c.e.. * in the secondary fulfillment, jesus was promising that some anointed ones would still be alive when jesus returns to judge the sheep and goats.. the new 2015 jw research guide posted on jw.org lists this 2008 watchtower article as the first article people should read about the "clarified understanding" of the generation.. this 2008 view also matches the statement in the new 2015 jesus--the way, the truth, the life book, which says that "this generation" refers to disciples who see the signs of the last days.. i think they are abandoning the overlapping part..
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prologos a generation, normally defined from birth to parenthood.
Your genitals generate a new generation.
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Demon Stories
by humblepotato inso we all know that "crazy" brother or sister.
every kingdom hall has one.
they give the best comments (from a hilarious perspective), have experiences with the "demons", but most importantly, they are on about 10 deifferent kinds of medications.
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Vidiot "Wouldn't it be more effective to leave the guy alone after he'd gone into the wrong church?"
Maybe that's exactly what they did.
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Disfellowshipping Image
by naazira inthis photo can be found in the april 15 , study edition article titled:.
why disfellowshipping is a loving provision.
just by looking at this image we can see how quickly the barrier between the congregation and former member is put up, after the announcement that this sister is no longer one of jehovah's witneses.
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The image on page 1 is cropped from a larger image.
All I've been able to find is this version which has been overlaid.
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27 Questions
by Saintbertholdt ini've been on and off the forum for a couple of years now.
mostly lurking.. the last time i set foot in a kingdom hall was back in 2005 before i disassociated myself formally.. over the years i've kept up with the doctrinal changes and changes in practices.
the problem is that because i haven't been practically experiencing these changes, much of the new information has not stuck clearly in my head.
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Ah yes, COBE, not PO. My mistake.
The travel time is often not counted directly after the group for FService has been taken, but if you 'started' before the group then you would likely count your travel time as well.
The 30 hour pioneer concession is 2x when the CO comes, and also during the Memorial campaign.
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27 Questions
by Saintbertholdt ini've been on and off the forum for a couple of years now.
mostly lurking.. the last time i set foot in a kingdom hall was back in 2005 before i disassociated myself formally.. over the years i've kept up with the doctrinal changes and changes in practices.
the problem is that because i haven't been practically experiencing these changes, much of the new information has not stuck clearly in my head.
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1. Can circuit overseers, elders and governing body members count public talks as field service? YES
2. If so can they count their travel times also? NO
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3. How many meetings do the witnesses have now every week? TWO
Public talk + watchtower study (2 hours)
BOOK STUDY + Misery School + Service meeting (2 hours)
Is the book study included anywhere? Has it totally fallen away? ADDED TO START OF MIDWEEK MTG
What is the family study meeting called? The 'family study'? Is there any prescribed literature? FAMILLY WORSHIP NIGHT
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4. What is a Presiding Overseer called now? Why was a change made? STILL PO
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5. Has the new overlapping generation doctrine caused any other theological repercussions that were addressed in Watchtower articles? NO BUT NEW FDS DOCTRINE HAS
6. Has there been any articles addressing the increase in emblem participation? YES. 1935 IS NO LONGER THE CUT OFF YEAR SO IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT INCREASES
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7. Why has the trinity brochure fallen away? Has it been replaced at all? WAS FULL OF MISQUOTES
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8. Where is a good forum thread that discusses the changes in the New new World translation?
9. Have they just brought it in line with the New International Version or have any additional verses been omitted? COMPLETE OVERHAUL - EVERY VERSE HAS CHANGED.
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10. Whats the story with the video broadcasts? Who does it feature, what are the topics, and why are they doing it? ALL THE GB, FULL LENGTH FILMS, CARTOONS, GB HELPERS.
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11. Will/Has the Watchtower CD Rom been discontinued? STILL AVAILABLE
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12. Has there been any new vocabulary added to the dogma? Brazen conduct comes to mind.
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13. What scriptures now feature regularly? Still Mathew 24:14, 2 Timothy 3:1-5? SAME OLD SAME OLD
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14. Now that the new song book has been around for a couple of years, are the new songs in it any good? Did they remove the song that featured the intro to Looney Tunes? Is Shulamite maiden still in there? Do any new songs allude to new dogma? NEW SONGS STILL COMING OUT ONLINE, SO EVEN NEW SONG BOOK IS OUT OF DATE
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15. King of the north, any news? NO NEW REVELATIONS
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16. Have they alluded to distancing themselves from C.T. Russell? HE'S NO LONGER ONE OF THE F&DS
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17. Has there been a change in dub attitude over the past couple of years? Is Armageddon's eminence still imminent? Whats the general demeanor? Same old, same old or brimstone super super soon? IT'S ALWAYS 'SOON'
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18. How are things in Russia since 2010 when the bans started? Is it getting worse and what is the status of the cases in the international courts?
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19. Is the Gilead school still around? Was there any truth to the rumor that it would be discontinued?
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20. Have the number of international/district/special conventions remained the same/increased/decreased?
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21. Any new special arrangements for obtaining money? Pledges etc.ALL KHALLS HAVE BEEN 'ACQUIRED' BY THE SOCIETY. MONTHLY PLEDGES VOTED ON BY ALL HALLS. LOANS WILL BE PAID EVEN AFTER THEY ARE PAID OFF.
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22. Any new 'deep' ideas like spiritual paradise or sacred secret?
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23. Any new shots fired against apostates? (I know about mentally diseased)
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24. Any new Watchtower articles that have caused a stir in the past year/coming three months?
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25. Pedophile news? Any changes to policy? Anything after the Candace Conti case?
Did she lose on appeal? Is there a good forum thread on the topic?
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26. Are the hours still the same for auxiliary pioneer, pioneer and special pioneer? 30HRS FOR AUX 3X PER YEAR, 50 FOR AUXILIARY NORMALLY, 70 FOR REGULARS
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27. Have I covered everything? Anything else you can think of that's new or even new subtle shifts?
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What was your eye opening moment?
by WasOnceBlind inif you had to pinpoint the time or experience that finally made you open your eyes, what would it be?.
i think for me it was the time i saw my dad shun his brother who he had not seen in decades just because he was a da'ed jw.
i thought to my self "no way jesus would do that.
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I had many things come through my mind that didn't add up, and I always pushed them back thinking that it was me, or that things would become clearer. After all, my mother got the 'truth' as a 1975'er and I was still in single figures.
- Later on I couldn't understand how we have to refuse white blood cells, but babies breast feeding and eating white blood cells is ok. There was simply no logic to this.
- I was told that Bab the Gt fell in 1918 but here it still was, with billions of adherents.
- The UN NGO thing simply amazed me and started me discussing things with others.I started researching and saw that the "Millions" campaign was an obvious sham, and concluded that in 50 years time todays' campaigns will be seen as obvious sham's also.
I also learned about how wrong 607BCE was.My 'wake up' website was Perimeno which I read over and over.
The final nail in the coffin was not any teaching, but it was the attitude of the WT in that they were never wrong and you could not question them, when it was patently clear they were frequently wrong. It was as if they were hiding a secret that everyone knew, but no-one was allowed to talk about it. Their subsequent flip-flop history on just about everything they ever taught made me realise you can have no trust in them whatsoever.
Now when I listen to talks on their website or talks at the Hall I see them for who they are - deceivers.
Actually, the modern day GB have completely lost the plot and will ruin the religion. The vast majority of faithful ones are the elderly, and they won't be around for ever. They ridiculed the churches for having an old and decrepit membership, but they will suffer the same fate.
