i'm revisiting an old topic here, but this was a subject of much confusion for me when i was still a witness.
i went to a spanish congregation in the u.s. and it seemed to be taken for granted by most that you needed to cook beef thoroughly to "get rid" of the blood.
i was surprised when i learned that folks in the english speaking hall would order a steak medium-rare and think nothing of it.. it wasn't until after i left the witnesses that it started to occur to me that if the red fluid that was present when you'd cut the beef was blood, cooking it thoroughly wouldn't get rid of it, it'd just cook it and transform it into another color.
It's not blood that needs to be bled, but 'life blood'.
You can bleed an animal all you like but you'll never get rid of every red blood cell.
Eating meat means you will eat some blood, but that's ok so long as the animal was bled first in a symbolic gesture to acknowledge that God is the life giver.
http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2015/08/04/jehovahs-witnesses-change-abuse-rules.
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jws in australia agrees to change procedures in regards to reporting abuse..
The changes I want to see are
1. The removal of the 2 witness rule
2. The releasing of names of known abusers
3. No reappointment of abusers to positions of authority
4. Mandatory police checks for anyone being appointed
5. A female victim or youngster not having to face three men
6. A victim not having to face their abuser
7. Reporting to authorities as soon as an allegation is made
8. A procedure of professional help and compensation for victims, not pursuing victims through the courts
9. JC elders being replaced by, or led by, a trained and qualified abuse investigator
10. JC elders being people who do not know the abuser, let alone are their friends
And to reinforce this I would like to see a retrospective prosecution of all those who in some way broke the law by not reporting a crime, and retrospective compensation payments to all victims.
I wish to see the GB take the lead in acknowledging this problem with a video on their website apologising for minimising it and lying about it.
I don't want it to be spun into 'new light' but a candid admission that they were wrong, and they are sorry.
Only when the current barbaric, harmful and inadequate practices are completely overhauled, will this menace start to come under control and JW's begin to look like caring Christians. Only when the JW 'persecution' mindset changes so that victims are not viewed as money grabbing apostates, will a little bit of humanity return to the congregations.
so, i am back at it.
i give you day 5 of the royal commissions proceedings:.
part 1 has been uploaded and part 2,3 and 4 will soon be available.. part 1:.
Part 2, 10:30-11:00. Incredible.
The abuser was disfellowshipped for immorality with another woman, but was not reinstated later on because the elders had said he should return to the family home.
The elders actually recommended that the abuser should go back to live with his two young daughters if he was to be reinstated!
Angus "That would not have been a safe situation, would it."
De Rooy "That sounds correct."
does anyone in the uk know any details about the above congregation?
it seems it was disbanded by the co specifically because of "lack of love" and members reassigned to other congregations in the reigate and crawley areas.. i've checked the charities commission web site and the charity was removed in may 2012.. http://apps.charitycommission.gov.uk/showcharity/registerofcharities/removedcharitymain.aspx?registeredcharitynumber=1066699&subsidiarynumber=0.
the cobe was a guy called rossiter (sp?
http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/downloadfile.ashx?guid=7ba22716-556c-43c2-9fc6-76697afad440&type=exhibit&filename=wat.0001.004.0076&fileextension=pdf
18. Factors to consider: At times, the conduct of an individual may not be classified as child abuse from the perspective of the congregation, but from a legal standpoint he may be viewed as guilty of such.
19. ... if the one who views child pornography does not involve anyone else in his actions, this is not considered to be child abuse from a congregational standpoint.
i haven't seen a topic thread like this one, so i thought i might start one.
as the title suggests, this is a topic thread for anyone's questions that have quick or one line answers.
for example: how many meetings do the witnesses have per week?
If you could compel all GB members to be strapped to a lie detector and you could ask them one question, what would that be? (Must be a ? with YES or NO answer).
Do you think Satan is pleased that your wrong teachings on blood have caused Gods followers to die unnecessarily?
i'm just listening to this so called doctors testimony.
where did the watchtower dig her up from.
her answers have mostly been maybe's and i think!.
I suspect Dr Applewhite has fallen into the trap of trusting the WT.
I imagine she would have produced her report and passed it to WT Legal to validate there was nothing incorrect.
WT would have approved the report as correct, not expecting to be confronted with an extremely knowledgeable Royal Commission who can see through the misdirection that has traditionally been successful for WT.
making donations to the worldwide work of jehovah's witnesses.
http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/w20151115/donations-worldwide-work/.
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The WT do an article like this every November.
I guess they've assessed the best time of the year to remind the flock that they need money.
by popular demand i give you day 4, and i will finally get a couple of days to sleep .
part 1 has been uploaded and part 2,3 and 4 will soon be available.. part 1:.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lmlcdqesa0&list=plpq6kz-aghvqbadlzmqn26dvmpzddxlui&index=11.
by popular demand i give you day 4, and i will finally get a couple of days to sleep .
part 1 has been uploaded and part 2,3 and 4 will soon be available.. part 1:.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lmlcdqesa0&list=plpq6kz-aghvqbadlzmqn26dvmpzddxlui&index=11.
Thank you C0ntr013r, it's the only way I can get to see these. I really appreciate it.
What Angus Stewart has realised and fully understands, is something that your average JW and elder will never allow themselves to grasp.
The WT prints just about every conceivable angle on a topic, then chooses when to use each one.
For example, the GB are prophets, but they're not really prophets.
The Holy spirit appoints elders, but the Holy spirit only guides the elders.
The WT abhor child abuse, but they really do nothing to stop it.
JW's love all people, but not enough to protect them from abusers.
You must do as you're told even if it seems strange, but there are exceptions to this.
The Catholic Church is the main part of the harlot, but JW's will pay them to get legal representation.
A brother must not take someone to court, but the organisation is famous for it.
Angus also see's the difference between the written word and the real life actions.
WT have tried to hide this with their large margins in the Elders book, so the elders themselves have to write in the questionable policies in their own hand writing.
The poor sheep are lambs to the slaughter. This includes elders who 'listen, obey', but are still waiting to 'be blessed'.
