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  Judge sanctions WTS - $4k per day penalty for not producing sex abuse documents

  by Simon in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  judge sanctions jehovah's witnesses.

  imposes $4000-a-day penalty for not producing documents in sex-abuse case.

  by dorian hargrove, june 24, 2016. a san diego superior court judge has ordered the church of jehovah's witnesses, also known as the watchtower bible and tract society of pennsylvania, to pay $4000 a day for every day that it fails to produce documents requested in a civil lawsuit brought by former parishioner, osbaldo padron, who claims a church elder sexually abused him when he was seven years old.. in a june 23 ruling, expected to be made final today, judge richard strauss admonished the church for willfully ignoring a court order to produce all documents associated with a 1997 body of elders letter that church leaders sent to parishes around the world in a quest to learn about sexual abuse of children by church leaders.. over the course of the past year, the watchtower society and its lawyers have fought hard to keep the letter confidential, claiming that turning over the documents would infringe on the privacy of those mentioned in the letter that were not associated with the case.. in march 2015, the church turned over a heavily redacted version of the letter.

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  Could it be that Leo Greenlees or Ewart Chitty (both ex-GB members) are on that list?
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  If An Organization Really Believed It Had the Truth...

  by xjwsrock in

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  2. beliefs

  ....it would not be scared of critics.

  actually they would naturally take an offensive stance, wouldn't they?

  they would welcome debate... even encourage it.

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  w1930 9/1 p.267 Par.1

  Those who have God's truth never persecute. The truth does not need such a defense. It is only error that seeks by persecution, threats and death to silence those who oppose it. Any cause that has to be supported by persecution, threats, or tyranny and lies, is of Satan and does not have divine approval, and is always in opposition to God's truth.
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  Did others experience this on the ministry or among JWs generally?

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  sometimes it's hard to know if our own experience of jws was typical and what features were peculiar to our own area or the individual jws we knew personally.

  i was wondering if others experienced this among jws:.

  a few times on the ministry, when we were working wealthy areas with large houses, some brothers and sisters would make the comment that they look forward to taking ownership of one of these big houses after armageddon, when the worldly people have vacated them.

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  Well, the WT has made the ministry sound so appealing:

  *** w55 1/15 p. 63 Group Witnessing in Mountainous Italy ***
  Could one conceive of the average Roman Catholic congregation in Italy having one out of four able to give Bible lectures or sermons and all of its members starting out at six in the morning for the purpose of spending the day trudging from house to house talking religion?

  That just about sums it up.
  No wonder they have to fantasize about living a happy life in someone else's house.
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  Bethel "Vow of Poverty" documents scanned.

  by What-A-Coincidence in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  vow of poverty scanned from 2002 documents.

  i believe these are the latest ones unless someone has a newer one.

  i posted these in another thread but i thought it deserved its own.. ocrd with 98% accuracy.... initial cover page 1 of 4. vow of obedience and povertyto the.

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  *** w82 8/15 p. 15 Insight on the News ***

  Ministers or Tax Evaders?

  The New York Supreme Court ruled that the Life Science Church has “defrauded the public...” and must return the money it collected. ... According to the New York Times report, “the church had run dozens of seminars and collected approximately $20 million in fees from people who became ministers to avoid paying Federal and state taxes.”

  Individuals were told that they could keep on with their secular employment yet be tax free by starting their own church chartered by the Life Science Church. They could then either donate up to 50 percent of their earnings to the church and substantially reduce their taxes or take a vow of poverty and give all their earnings and property to the church. The church would then pay all expenses and the individual would be tax exempt, it was claimed. The court rejected such argument. “The ruling,” said Daniel Kurtz of the state attorney general’s office, “would encourage the state to pursue other organizations and individuals seeking tax exemption under the guise of religion.”

  True Christians would not want to take deductions that are not allowed by their governments (as ministers or otherwise), but as Romans 13:7 counsels they will render to “him who calls for the tax, the tax.” They do not use their ministry as a means for evading taxes.
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  Qatar convicts Dutch tourist who says she was raped

  by Splash in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  google the above title and find the worldwide media outlets that allow comments.comments need to be made on these articles to say that jw's taught the same thing.choose your quote from any of the below:.

  wt 64, jan 15 p. 64 teaches if a woman doesn't scream she is guilty of fornication: "thus if a christian woman does not cry out and does not put forth every effort to flee, she would be viewed as consenting to the violation.".

  awake!

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  Google the above title and find the worldwide media outlets that allow comments.
  Comments need to be made on these articles to say that JW's taught the same thing.
  Choose your quote from any of the below:

  WT 64, Jan 15 p. 64 teaches if a woman doesn't scream she is guilty of fornication:
  "Thus if a Christian woman does not cry out and does not put forth every effort to flee, she would be viewed as consenting to the violation."

  Awake! 86, May 22 p. 23 - If you don't fight back you are guilty of adultery:
  "Why you should resist an attacker from the first moment...Your conscience will be clear. Even if you are raped, you will not sacrifice your self-respect or cleanness before God"

  Awake! 84, Feb 22 - Treat the rapist with respect and understanding:
  "Treat Him Respectfully – The intended victim should remember that the rapist is a human. No doubt there are circumstances in his life that have precipitated his behaviour. So although a woman should not cower in fear and permit a rapist to intimidate her, at the same time she should treat him understandingly as a fellow human."

  Awake! 84, Feb 22 p. 25 - You must fight back or else it's an unforgivable sin:
  "But if I gave in and he raped me, I would eventually die and have no hope of a resurrection."
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  Can a Person Resign From Being One of Jehovah’s Witnesses? (JW.org FAQ)

  by Da.Furious in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  found this in my rss feed of, as new faq on jw.org:.

  the answer was .

  a person can resign from our organization in two ways:.

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  w50 10/1 p. 352 par. 10 "Droop Not Your Hands"
  We are not peddlers of God's Word who misrepresent their product in order to deceive their customers and make sales for self-enrichment at the people's expense.

  g72 9/22 p. 29 Watching the World - "Religious 'Credibility Gap'"
  Politicians have reputations for distorting truth. And the clergy? Veteran United Press International writer Louis Cassels says: "Time and again, as a reporter covering religious news, I have found church spokesmen resorting to deliberate obfuscations [confusions] and torturing the truth in an effort to keep the public in the dark about what actually happened in a particular situation."

  
  

  g00 6/22 p. 9 Do Not Be a Victim of Propaganda!
  Propagandists relentlessly force you to hear their view and discourage discussion. Often their real motives are not apparent. They sift the facts, exploiting the useful ones and concealing the others. They also distort and twist facts, specializing in lies and half-truths. Your emotions, not your logical thinking abilities, are their target. The propagandist makes sure that his message appears to be the right and moral one and that it gives you a sense of importance and belonging if you follow it.
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  New facts from germany

  by crazy_flickering_light in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  maybe some of you interested in this:.

  between 11/2015 and 05/2016 they merged in germany 48 congs into 24 congs.

  in this time they build 16 language-groups and 3 sign-language-groups.

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  Here's a chart that tracks the number of congs worldwide vs publishers per cong (among other things).

  The two right hand columns show that last year, despite more congregations, peak pubs per cong were down on the previous year.

  
  
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  It's official...

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the gibbering buddies are guided by jeehipity-hop!

  how can i say this with 100% confidence?

  well, an emotionally unstable eldub was talking about "mobile devices.

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  Splash

  Smiddy I believe the article showing the computer cord and the shadow of a snake can be found @ WT 2011/8/15 (not the public version)

  

  Good advice in that WT:
  Do not become an “Internet Eve.” Be critical and suspicious of the information. Before trusting it, ask: (1) Who published this material? What are the author’s credentials? (2) Why was this published? What motivated the writer? Is there any bias? (3) Where did the author get the information? Does he supply sources that can be checked? (4) Is the information current? In the first century, the apostle Paul gave Timothy advice that applies with equal force today. Paul wrote: “Guard what is laid up in trust with you, turning away from the empty speeches that violate what is holy and from the contradictions of the falsely called ‘knowledge.’”
  
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  WT September 2016: Tight Pants (Does your style of dress Glorify God?

  by Designer Stubble in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  we will not weigh you down with burdensome lists, as you have the freedom to choose, but here is our list anyway.some snippets:.

  the law showed jehovah’s strong feelings against clothing that does not make clear the distinction between male and female—what has been described in our day as unisex fashion.

  (read deuteronomy 22:5.

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  You missed the most important paragraphs in that article - paragraphs 17 and 18!!
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  Did The Witnesses Predict the United Nations in Advance?

  by TD in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it's been reported on this forum that bethel speakers at this summer's conventions are asserting that the establishment of the united nations in 1945 was predicted in advance by the witnesses.

  this is being presented as validation of the claim that the witnesses are god's one true organization directed by holy spirit.. .

  the basis for this claim originates with a public address entitled, peace - can it last given by n.h. knorr at the new world theocratic assembly, on september 20 of 1942. .

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  ScenicViewer Watchtower believes the scarlet-colored wild beast from Revelation is the League of Nations/United Nations. Rev 17:8 describes this beast as existing, then not existing, then existing again. Watchtower interprets this to mean the League of Nations came into existence after WWI, then went out of existence before WWII at some point, then came back as the United Nations after WWII, thus fitting the Revelation description that "the wild beast was, but is not, and yet will be present.".

  WHEN DID BABYLON THE GREAT FALL?

  IT'S FUTURE - w51 1/1 p. 31 Questions From Readers
  It arrives in our time when Great Babylon, the Devil's organization, falls. So that "day" for Jehovah's strange act, his battle of Armageddon, is still future.

  1919 - w89 4/1 p. 21 par. 22 The Hour of God's Judgment Has Arrived
  the renewed activity and spiritual prosperity that began in 1919 is clear evidence that then, in 1919, Babylon the Great experienced a downward tumble as viewed by Jehovah.

  IT'S FUTURE - w12 6/15 p. 18 par. 17 Jehovah Reveals What "Must Shortly Take Place"
  Soon Jehovah will cause the political elements of Satan's system, as represented by the United Nations, to attack false religion. They will destroy her influence and devastate her riches. Such an event may have seemed unlikely just decades ago. Today, the harlot teeters on the back of the scarlet-colored beast. Even so, she will not slip slowly from her seat. Her tumble will be sudden and violent.—Rev. 18:7, 8, 15-19.

  1919 - w13 7/15 p. 12 par. 11 "Look! I Am With You All the Days"
  By 1919, it became evident that Babylon the Great had fallen.

  
  

  Note:
  The WT tries to teach that BTG falls twice, which is not what Revelation describes. WT teaches that BTG fell in 1919 and will yet 'tumble' in the future. The scriptures are clear that this is impossible!

  Rev 17 describes BTG riding the scarlet coloured wild beast (the UN) which then turns on her.
  - The UN did not exist in 1919 so could not turn on her.

  Rev 17 then describes this harlot being eaten and completely burned with fire.
  - After 1919 BTG still existed with power and influence. She was not completely burned at all.

  Rev 18 continues the account saying 'After this I saw another angel descending from heaven with great authority, and the earth was illuminated by his glory. And he cried out with a strong voice, saying: "She has fallen! Babylon the Great has fallen" '
  - The fall of BTG is actually her being devoured and completely burned with fire, which had not happened by 1919.

  To get around this problem there are some ridiculous ideas that BTG fell in 1919 in a symbolic or invisible way, and the devouring and burning is yet future at the hands of the UN. This is not at all what the simple sequence of Rev 17 and 18 describes.