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  Is there any evidence that the WTS stated the 20th century would be the last?

  by TTWSYF in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i know that other early dates are well documented leading up to 1975. it did seemed that the wts learned to stop setting dates, but i seem to recall talk about the 20th century will certainly be the last according to god's perfect timing.

  i can't recall specifically where i heard such blatant rhetoric though.. anyone?

  bueller?

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  Splash

  Here are 10 references spanning about 30 years:

  Awake! 1961 Feb 22 p. 7
  That now-operating kingdom in heaven will, within the twentieth century, cleanse the entire earth of wickedness... Can you not see that the twentieth century is the century indicated by the prophetic language of Matthew 24, Mark 13, Luke 21, and 2 Timothy 3?

  Awake! 1961 Feb 22 p. 8
  ...is it not only logical that whatever else is recorded in these above-mentioned Bible chapters must also come upon the twentieth century? ... Revelation 16:16 calls it the "war of the great day of God the Almighty," Armageddon. This war will come in the twentieth century. ...Now is the time to heed Bible prophecy concerning the twentieth century and live forever in the sunshine of God's new world.

  Awake! 1962 July 22 p. 32
  But how many realize that it contains information of special interest to those of us who live in this climactic twentieth century?

  The Nations Shall Know That I Am Jehovah (1971) p. 216 para.9
  "Shortly, within our twentieth century, the "battle in the day of Jehovah" will begin against the modern antitype of Jerusalem, Christendom."

  True Peace and Security (1973) p. 72-73 para. 7-8
  "What does [God's] word say regarding our day? It describes events of this twentieth century."

  Let Your Kingdom Come (1981) p.11
  ...now in our 20th century, we have come to the time for harvest — "a conclusion of a system of things, and the reapers are angels"!

  Watchtower 1984 March 1 pp.18-19
  "Some of that "generation" could survive until the end of the century. But there are many indications that "the end" is much closer than that!"

  True Peace and Security (1986) p. 69 para. 3
  "The Bible clearly describes events of this 20th century"

  Revelation Climax (1988 - removed from the 1996 revision) chap. 34 p. 246 par. 1
  The John class today also wonders with great wonderment as events unfold in fulfillment of the prophetic vision. If people of the world could see it, they would exclaim, 'Incredible!' and the world's rulers would echo, 'Unthinkable!' But the vision becomes a startling 20th-century reality.

  Watchtower 1989 January 1 p.12 (loose copy magazine):
  "He was laying a foundation for a work that would be completed in our 20th century."
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  This Weekend's Watchtower Study "What You Vow, Pay" from April issue

  by BluesBrother in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  just some random thoughts here... theme scripture is matt.5: 33 .

  we already had a thread explaining that jesus added a "but" after those words.

  however, few would argue against the principle of keeping one's word.

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  Splash

  Vows are made voluntarily, of one’s own free will. Nevertheless, they are sacred and binding in God’s eyes because they carry the force of an oath
  

  OK, so what about this promise that was made every month for 13 years?

  Awake 1982 - 1995 (Box inside front cover, printed in every magazine)
  "Most importantly, this magazine builds confidence in the Creator's promise of a peaceful and secure new order before the generation that saw the events of 1914 C.E. passes away.":
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  This Weekend's Watchtower Study "What You Vow, Pay" from April issue

  by BluesBrother in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  just some random thoughts here... theme scripture is matt.5: 33 .

  we already had a thread explaining that jesus added a "but" after those words.

  however, few would argue against the principle of keeping one's word.

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  "Worldwide Order of Special Full-Time Servants of Jehovah"

  I guess that means all other JW's are not special and are just part timers.
  
  
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  Asking a Jew about the Name "Jehovah"

  by David_Jay in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jehovah's witnesses...that's the trademark of the religion, the use of the name "jehovah.

  " if there is anything jws and non-jws can agree on is that this one thing sets them apart from everybody else.. i have only had witnesses come to my door less than five times since i left in the 1990s.

  i guess they don't work the territory i live in often, or perhaps after that first time (which was still after the year 2000) they have marked the words "jew who knows a lot" or something in their notes on my address.

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  @David_Jay

  Don't ever stop posting.
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  Death sentences

  by Chook in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what your thoughts on if gb ruled the world would elders happily administer lethal injections at head offices request ?.

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  Splash

  There would either be a massive underground resistance or all out civil war.

  Life under the GB would be anything but peaceful.
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  Talk to my Dad about beards.

  by LovingLifeNow in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i spoke to my elder dad the other day, and he asked if i still am sporting a beard.

  i said yes, then i said, "i thought the society said its ok to have a neat trimmed beard now?

  " he said "no, no, no..if you read the article , it says in countries where it is accepted" so my response was "ummm, its pretty accepted here in america"..which he says "it reflects your spirituality" "if another wittness saw you, they would know you are weak"...i was like, "ok, i don't get it, and i follow christ/god, not men..." then he said in his hall" if a brother came in with a beard , he would not have privelages" then i just gave up, and tried to change the subject..ugggggggggg if these people would just listen to themselves , they would see the sillyness of there teachings...

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  Splash

  The beard topic is the funniest thing ever.

  Elders are so serious about this and yet it is of such tiny and meaningless significance.

  A beard indicates your spiritual status, a whole set of congregational rules have developed around them, it dictates what jobs you are allowed to do in the hall, it's the cause of gossip and stumbling, elders meetings are convened over them, CO's are quizzed because of them, letters are sent to Bethel for guidance on them, WT articles which mention them are microscopically studied to get whatever angle the elders want to get, the wearer is questioned about his motives and passive aggressively bullied, and the masses of unwritten inferences that are spouted as reasons to not have a beard are incredible.

  The mental cartwheels that JW's have to invent to fabricate 'reasons' must leave them drained. It's so easily debunked yet they desperately cling to "well we're in charge so just do as you're told".

  It's the absolute definition of insanity and mind control.

  Happily this is a level of stupidity that young people can see for what it is, and at the very least make them realise that these discredited men with their ridiculous, unexplainable rules are nothing more than power tripping yes-men.
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  When Your Adolescent Questions Your Faith

  by Funchback in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/wp20120201/adolescent-questions-faith/.

  this article doesn't touch on the topic of what a parent shoud do if their teenager has made an educated decision to stop attending meetings.

  but, hey...what else do you expect from the watchtower coporation?.

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  Splash

  Myth: Parents who are Jehovah’s Witnesses force their children to follow their faith.

  Fact: Witness parents strive to inculcate love for God in their offspring, just as the Bible commands them to. Nevertheless, they realize that when a child becomes an adult, he or she will make a personal choice with regard to worship.

  This is a puff piece for them to reference whenever they find themselves in difficulty because a child has been kicked out the home or forced to get baptised at 10 and now regrets it etc.

  This 'go-to' article will prove that the error was with the parents, not the organisations instructions.

  On the plus side, this is now ammunition young ones can use whenever they feel pressured to go to meetings and are being faced with that exact "while you're under my roof" scenario.

  Hopefully this has just stripped JW parents of their biggest controlling argument.
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  Spiritual Welfare

  by wheelwithinwheel in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this year’s “don’t give up” convention encourages theocratic welfare.

  brother pioneer is doing a lot of carting and having trouble making ends meet.

  his landlord doesn’t get it and decides to evict him and his wife.. .

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  Splash

  (After showing the video)

  "Brothers, have you noticed someone in your congregation who is putting Jehovah first but suffering financial difficulties under Satan's system? Do you have the means to help that brother? Remember, Jehovah is not quick to forget your acts of loving kindness to one another."

  "Maybe there's no-one in your congregation who needs such help. In that case, wouldn't it show loyalty to Jehovah to help his organisation by means of your unrighteous riches, so that there may be an equalizing among you?"

  "Jehovah loves such acts of kindness."
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  A JW explains Blood Fractions

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  i was looking around from some information on the wt's stance concerning the use of stem cells, and i came across this article on a defending jehovah's witnesses blog.. rather than informing the reader all that much about stem cells, the author diverts the conversation into a discussion of "blood fractions" (*note: the term "blood fractions" appears to be another one of those wt bloodspeak terms coined by the wt.

  "blood components" or "blood products" are the terms used more frequently by the medical world.

  "fractions" implies tiny amounts).

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  Splash

  It really doesn't matter what justifications or so-called logic is applied to this teaching, the GB could turn around tomorrow, say it was all wrong, give new 'scriptural' reasons and everyone would have to believe and obey those instead.

  It's a blind faith.

  This was interesting too:

  since the Scriptures are silent regarding such fractions the Witnesses leave this up to one's personal choice

  The scriptures are silent regarding the four components of blood, but Witnesses have no freedom of choice whether to accept these or not.

  WT logic is anything but logical.
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  compensation for the abused.

  by zeb in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  'jehovah's witness (1 per cent) did not attend but will be involved in round two of negotiations — one-on-one meetings with the minister's department.

  on the abuse compensation scheme reported on the abc.

  so they will go into the ministers office with their slickest new lawyers and hope to bullshit the minsters staff.

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  Splash

  From the report: "the Commonwealth is setting up a scheme with payments not exceeding $150,000."

  So for the 1,732 victims listed in the ARC's JW file x $150,000 AUS = $260 million AUS, max WT payout. Likely much less.

  Sounds like a good use of 'dedicated funds'.