Posts by Splash

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A few thoughts on the District, um, Regional... sigh....

by Apognophos in

i don't even know what the bloody event is called anymore.

i think it's still a district convention until it goes to two days, isn't it?

my convention program leaflet just says "convention of jehovah's witnesses", seemingly intentionally avoiding the change in wording.

Splash

Thanks for the recap Apognophos.

Actually the 'three paradises' thing is 40 years old, but rarely repeated and very little known.
Maybe the link to Paul's 'third heaven' is new.

*** Mans Salvation (1975) chap. 6 p. 90 The Promise of a Spiritual Paradise ***

"Since these promises were made to different kinds of persons, the first to a non-Christian and the second to a victorious Christian, two different paradises must here be meant, the first an earthly one, the second a heavenly one. Jehovah’s “Servant” has to do with both.
2 Each of those paradises was future at the time of Jesus’ mention of them. Also, they were to be enjoyed only after the death of the individual and his resurrection from the dead in God’s due time. But there is a paradise that is being enjoyed by those who are now living on the earth. Since mankind’s earthly environment is more and more being polluted and the surface of the earth is no paradise today, the paradise at present being enjoyed on earth by true Christian worshipers of Jehovah must be a figurative one, a spiritual paradise"

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Complete list of how "The Watchtower" make money

by usualusername in

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i have been reading this forum for umpteen years and have heard of so many ways that the watchtower is making money.. .

would you mind contributing to help me compile a list?.

to start:.

Splash

KHAA - Kingdom Hall Assistance Arrangement

TOAA - Travelling Overseer's Assistance Arrangement (which goes towards all their iPads)

Monthly contributions to the local assembly halls

Monthly contributions to the District Convention funds

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The March 1, 1952 Watchtower says, "Go back... and Die!"

by Londo111 in

"those who are acquainted with the situation in the congregation should never say hello or goodbye to him.

he is not welcome in our midst, we avoid him.

such an individual has no place in the clean organization or congregation of god.

Splash

CAN SAY "HELLO" TO A DISFELLOWSHIPPED MEMBER?
1970 NO - WT 6/1/70 p.352
1972 NO - Organization for Kingdom Preaching..., 1972, p.172
1974 YES - WT 8/1/74 pp.464,465
1974 YES - WT 74 8/1 p. 471 par. 21 - 22
1981 NO - WT 9/15/81 p.25
2013 jw.org Feb 2013 - Shunning is bullying:
2013 NO - WT 6/15/2013 p.28

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Atlanta Int Convention 2014:The Big Party. Does this look like WT believes Armageddon is coming "soon"?

by AndDontCallMeShirley in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=potrr2qxhue.

.. if armageddon is "imminent", why is wt focused on sight-seeing, entertainment, travel, etc.

instead of preaching and saving people??.

Splash

Ah, seen it now, thanks!!

Showed my other half. She looked at me as if to say "Is this for real?"

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Atlanta Int Convention 2014:The Big Party. Does this look like WT believes Armageddon is coming "soon"?

by AndDontCallMeShirley in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=potrr2qxhue.

.. if armageddon is "imminent", why is wt focused on sight-seeing, entertainment, travel, etc.

instead of preaching and saving people??.

Splash

I'm so bummed that I missed it

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Heads Up: If you are an older JW, WT has no further use for you!

by AndDontCallMeShirley in

wt is retiring district overseers, has sent older jws serving at bethel packing despite years of faithful service, and as of june 1, 2014, has announced that any elder that has reached 80 years of age is no longer valued or wanted as a cobe.

in wt land it would appear that older people have little or no value, and wt sees no reason to use them in any meaningful capacity.

i wonder how this makes older ones feel after devoting their lives to wt's interests while shelving their own hopes and dreams?.

Splash

*** w82 8/1 p. 14 par. 8 God’s Gift of Work for His Servants ***
Recent scientific studies confirm the Scriptural truth that man was made to work. They have shown that the majority of elderly persons in good health do not want to retire, that retirement more often brings boredom instead of happiness.

*** g88 2/8 p. 31 Is There a Secret to Long Life? ***
One comment is outstanding in the aforementioned National Geographic article: “In none of the three communities [studied for longevity] is there any forced retirement age, and the elderly are not shelved, as occurs in most of our industrialized societies.”

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1975 end prediction

by FL_Panthers in

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does anyone have the article written by the wt saying that the end would come in 1975?.

how did people back then come to this year?

i need this information becuase i was told, this was never literally written by the wt in any publication.. thanks.

Splash

Just chip in another little thought.
If 1975 chronology wasn't taught, why the back-peddling and new thoughts on the date Eve was created, in a 1976 WT?

HOW LONG AFTER ADAM WAS CREATED WAS EVE CREATED?

A SHORT TIME - w68 5/1 p. 271 par. 4 Making Wise Use of the Remaining Time
"it is logical that he would create Eve soon after Adam, perhaps just a few weeks or months later in the same year,"

WE DON'T KNOW - w76 7/15 p. 437 par. 25 Keeping a Balanced View of Time
"We do not know whether it was a brief time such as a month or a few months, a year or even more."

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Jason Cobb on the new tithing arrangement (this is good!)

by Rufus T. Firefly in

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http://jtv-podcast.tumblr.com/post/87641202438/the-wheat-and-the-weeds-updates-on-the.

Splash

Interesting audio.

Firstly, this 'anonymous' survey requires that you turn in your donation slip to individual elders - No anonymity.

Secondly, "The elders have decided to forward our bank saving to the society, which we have saved for our remodel".

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oh cr@p!! its my turn for "an elder called and wants to arrange a shepherding call" thread. Moral support please.

by MissFit in

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is coming and the elder wanted to set up a visit.

it's not like i wasn't warned.

there was a thread that talked about the push to call on inactive ones.. thanks to the heads up here, i knew the motive for the call.. i don't think i even know that eld.

Splash

All the time you don't call them back, this is unfinished business that will play on your mind.
They may call you at any moment!

Practise what to say. Write it down if you have to. Something like:

"Hi, I only have a minute before I have to go out, but wanted to call you back like I said I would.
I've thought about the visit you mentioned, and to be honest I don't think I want to have one.
I've got a lot of things going on right now, and this is just one thing too much.
I hope you understand."

Then whatever the answer is coming back just repeat
"I'm afraid I've made my mind up. It's not going to happen."

If you need to end the call say
"I'm sorry but I have to rush out, or I'll be late for an appointment."

Hang up the phone, job done!

I think that whoever makes the call will have the upper hand, so I would make that call myself.
Just think how proud you will be of yourself for taking control back!

Splash.

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COBE cannot be 80 or more

by fader77 in

a new letter no longer allows an elder to be cobe if hes 80 or more.

Splash

This will prevent the newly retired CO's and DO's from taking over as COBE's when they get reassigned to a congregation.

That will bring them down a peg or two.

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