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  October 1914? Really?

  by sylvlef in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  km august 2014, page 3 paragraph 6(article for this week's service meeting):.

  "the month of october 2014 will see the 100th anniversary of the establishment of the kingdom.

  for this occasion a special edition of the watchtower will be on this theme.".

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  *** w66 8/15 pp. 504-505 Doing God’s Will Has Been My Delight (edited) ***

  I (A.H. Macmillan) have seen many severe trials come upon the organization and testings of the faith of those in it. I have seen the wisdom of patiently waiting on Jehovah to clear up our understanding of Scriptural things instead of getting upset over a new thought. Sometimes our expectations for a certain date were more than what the Scriptures warranted. So I learned that we should admit our mistakes and continue searching God’s Word for more enlightenment. So there was no need for us to let our faith be weakened by unfulfilled expectations or changes in views.

  I remember the time I was a speaker at a convention at Saratoga Springs, New York, in 1914. I spoke on the subject “The End of All Things Is at Hand; Therefore Let Us Be Sober, Watchful and Pray.” I believed it myself sincerely—that the church was “going home” in October. During that discourse I made this unfortunate remark: “This is probably the last public address I shall ever deliver because we shall be going home soon.”

  In that talk I tried to show the friends that perhaps some of us had been a bit too hasty in thinking that we were going to heaven right away, and the thing for us to do would be to keep busy in the Lord’s service until he determined when any of his approved servants would be taken home to heaven.

  Although our expectations about being taken to heaven were not fulfilled in 1914, that year did see the end of the Gentile Times, as we had anticipated.

  Poor old Macmillan. Fancy expecting to go to heaven but ending up stuck in the same old routine for another 55 years.

  At least he learned patience and to admit mistakes.

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  October 1914? Really?

  by sylvlef in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  km august 2014, page 3 paragraph 6(article for this week's service meeting):.

  "the month of october 2014 will see the 100th anniversary of the establishment of the kingdom.

  for this occasion a special edition of the watchtower will be on this theme.".

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  You say 1874, I say 1914.

  Let's call the whole thing off.

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  Active JW's, can you defend "THE TRUTH?"

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  as of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.

  when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.

  this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.

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  I haven't read this whole thread so hope I'm not duplicating anything.

  But how can you defend the 'Truth' when it's not something that ever stays the same?

  From the teat of mother:
  http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200277174

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  What would you do if JW's lifted the shunning policy?

  by bsand20 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  have you guys asked yourself that question?

  what if the gb decided that "new light" revealed to them that disfellowshipping was wrong and they would do away with it for current dfd members as well...... .......16 years of my life.

  would i welcome my family back?

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  Shunning is so entrenched that even if the WT reversed this instruction, many would continue to shun.

  Those that had shun children and grandchildren would not be able to admit to themselves that they missed out on these relationships for no reason.

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  It's All About Tablets

  by metatron in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  well, that seems to be the latest hot thing amoung witnesses.

  everybody buys a tablet.

  even the poor families that eat carb heavy meals are gettin' em.. maybe they can't afford the latest apple product like the maxi/mini pad or whatever they're calling it these days so a trip to ebay or overstock.com fills the bill.. use it instead of a songbook.

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  It's very noticeable when you're giving an item on the platform.

  In the past you would refer to a scripture and wait until the page rustling had stopped as a cue that everyone had found the verse.
  Now there is no rustling at all.

  I remember not so long ago being told "We can't use tablets on the platform because we will be running ahead of Jehovah's chariot".
  Seems like that chariot finally caught up with modern technology.

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  Joel's prophesy and the 1919 "fake anointing"

  by raymond frantz in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  for many decades the writing department of the watchtower has been claiming that joel's prophesy in joel 2:28 had its modern fulfilment in the period between 1919-1922 :"after that i will pour out my spirit on every sort of flesh,and your sons and your daughters will prophesy,your old men will dream dreams,and your young men will see visions.".

  what were the miracles performed during these assem blies ?

  why are these verses connected with the begining of the last days ?

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  Think the link should be

  http://jwdoctrine.com/will-new-outpouring-holy-spirit/

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  October 1914? Really?

  by sylvlef in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  km august 2014, page 3 paragraph 6(article for this week's service meeting):.

  "the month of october 2014 will see the 100th anniversary of the establishment of the kingdom.

  for this occasion a special edition of the watchtower will be on this theme.".

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  There's a confusing statement from the 1950's:

  *** w53 2/15 p. 119 par. 23 When Will God’s Kingdom Come? ***God knew that Satan the wicked one would attempt to turn the attention of the people away from God’s kingdom when it was established. So it was when Satan was ousted from the heavens down to the earth. He was wrathful. He plunged the nations into World War I. He wanted to turn the attention of the people away from the significant event that then was taking place and he proceeded to do so in the most deceptive ways.

  In summary:

  1. When the kingdom was established, Satan would divert peoples attention from it.
  2. This is what happened when Satan was ousted from heaven.
  3. Satan plunged the nations into WW1

  So it says two conflicting things:

  All these things must have happened prior to October, since that's when WW1 started.
  However all these things are linked to the establishing of the kingdom which happened in October.

  I've tried, but I can't grasp this.

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  KM Oct 2014 - Homosexuality (week of Oct 13th)

  by Splash in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  it would be interesting to have some present (stonewall?

  ) at these meetings to witness and record talk number three on the tms.. talk 3 - "what the bible says about homosexuality" (reasoning book p.368-369).

  the reasoning book tells us in part:.

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  It would be interesting to have some present (Stonewall?) at these meetings to witness and record talk number three on the TMS.

  Talk 3 - "What the Bible says about homosexuality" (Reasoning Book p.368-369)

  The Reasoning book tells us in part:
  "True Christians know that even deeply rooted wrong desires, including those that may have a genetic basis or that involve physical causes or environmental factors, are not insurmountable for persons who truly want to please Jehovah... Likewise, a person may feel strongly attracted to others of the same sex, but by heeding the counsel of God’s Word he can remain clean from homosexual practices. Jehovah does not allow us to go on thinking that wrong conduct really makes no difference; he kindly but firmly warns us of the consequences..."

  "Those who apply this counsel safeguard themselves against the deep emotional scars and loathsome diseases that go with immoral conduct. The Bible’s counsel is very much up to date in meeting the needs of those who want a clean conscience before God and a life free from needless frustration."

  I bet the students giving this talk will do their best to speak of it in a hateful way, maybe even an illegal way.

  I can see that one day some speaker will really land in deep water for publicly extolling the WT view of homosexuality. If this ever happens, the resulting turmoil for the speaker and the way he would be left to fight his own corner would surely make others see how vulnerable they are when giving public talks.

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  JW's on a Saturday morning.

  by donny in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  today on my morning run i saw two sets of jw's going door to door on boston st. one set was two ladies and the other was two guys.

  after i has passed them up on the sidewalk i turned around and began walking towards them.

  the ladies turned to go up to another home just before i got to them but the guys were still approaching.

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  I predict you will be getting the explanation from the Nov 2014 wt which handily even has a small diagram.

  Pre-read that article if you wish to be prepared for their visit.

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  Contradictory geneology of Jesus

  by rebel8 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i'm reading another carl sagan book and he seems to invariably find a way to slam j-dubs in each one.

  (i can't say i blame him.).

  anyway, in this one he discusses the fact that the gospels give contradictory geneologies of jesus--differing lines back to david from joseph, and a different number of generations.

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  HowTheBibleWasCreated ... this geneology places Jesus as not one almost...

  Could you rephrase this in a way that makes sense?

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