Posts by Splash

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Quote where the WT said leave the research to us?

by notsurewheretogo in

has anyone got the quote from the societies publication where they advise to leave the research to them?.

i know in the september 2007 km they warned about independent study groups but i'm sure there was a quote from the 50's or 60's where they told the rank publisher to leave the research to the gb?.

Splash

This? *** w67 6/1 p. 338 par. 12 Move Ahead with Jehovah’s Organization ***
in Jehovah’s organization it is not necessary to spend a lot of time and energy in research, for there are brothers in the organization who are assigned to do that very thing, to help you who do not have so much time for this

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“We are not done yet!” – Candace Conti reacts to appeal court decision

by Watchtower-Free in

http://jwsurvey.org/cedars-blog/we-are-not-done-yet-candace-reacts-to-appeal-court-decision.

candace conti (pictured in her interview with abc) has spoken out for the first time about the appeal court decision.

as current and former jehovahs witnesses digest the news that watchtowers appeal against the candace conti verdict has faltered, albeit with the punitive element of the judgment reversed, candace has reacted for the first time by telling me: we are not done yet.. news spread on monday that the state appeals court in san francisco had upheld the $2.8 million compensatory damages in the original june 2012 verdict, but overturned the $8.6 million punitive award against watchtower.. the court decided that, though watchtower had neglected its responsibility to supervise known pedophile jonathan kendrick in field ministry, a church-sponsored activity, the organization had no duty to warn parents in the congregation that a pedophile was in their midst or report him to authorities.. an insightful report by investigative reporter trey bundy has suggested that the court reached its decision because the precedent set by the conti verdict might be too burdensome to enforce.. the burden would be considerable because the precedent could require a church to intervene whenever it has reason to believe that a congregation member is capable of doing harm, and the scope of that duty could not be limited with any precision, the judges wrote.. candaces attorney rick simons responded by pointedly telling bundy: they think in public policy terms that theres too much risk in broadening the churchs responsibility and liability so that it burdens what churches do.

Splash

*** w94 8/15 p. 11 par. 4 This Good News Must Be Preached First ***
"in countries such as the United States and Canada, religion’s coffers are being drained by the high costs of litigation and judgments against clergy, resulting from their licentious conduct with children and adults"

JW's are just another religion.

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1975 failed prediction?

by Garrett in

jw
friends

heyo,.

your favorite garrett here.

so, i'm about to have an elder tell me allll about the failed 1975 doctrine.

Splash

"This generation"?

I've never heard anything so unexplainable or unreasonable as the 'latest truth' definition of "this generation".

It is so ridiculous and untenable that it will, for certain, be rewritten again.

Then again.

The good thing about jw's is that they have so many different versions of 'truth', there's one for everybody.

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1975 failed prediction?

by Garrett in

jw
friends

heyo,.

your favorite garrett here.

so, i'm about to have an elder tell me allll about the failed 1975 doctrine.

Splash

A few links to audio recordings of 1970's convention talks where 1975 was highlighted.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/104490002/you-will-never-grow-old-this-current-system-things-awake-may-22-1969-p-15?size=20&page=3

What would you be expecting to happen after listening to the following convention statements between 1968 and 1975, year after year? These comments were all bellowed from the platforms, sometimes by the GB themselves, to packed arenas...

"It almost seems as though Jehovah has provided meat in due season because he has held up before all of us a new goal, a new year, something to reach out for and it just seems it's given us so much more energy and power in this final burst of speed to the finish line. And that's the year 1975."

"There's only 8 years until '75. How little time there is left"

"We're going to listen to [the Societies] agonizing entreaties "Brothers get in" because they know what's coming. And it's coming fast and don't wait until '75. The door's going to be shut before then."

"As one brother put it, 'Stay alive 'til '75'"

"Not really a full 83 months remains, so let's be faithful and confident and we will be alive beyond the war of Babylon; we will be alive beyond the war of Armageddon" (spoken in Nov 1968, so 83 months later would be Oct 1975)

"What are you going to do with China, how are you going to get into China, how will you have reached all those people there, how are we ever going to reach them by 1975?"

"There are a dozen inexorable forces at work right now that are converging together inside of this decade that will spell disaster for this system of things, and there is nothing that no human can do to prevent it"

"We had that advice about 1975, Not changing a thing! Not changing a thing!... We have stronger reason to see that the middle 70's are going to see the complete change in earths affairs"

"Now our enquiries around the world of the brothers as to what they're expecting to occur between now and the end of 1975 has revealed that some are very sanguine about matters in the near future, and they're expecting the great tribulation to occur, and the destruction of Babylon the Great, and the annihilation of all the political systems of this world, and then the binding Satan and his demons and their abyssing, to occur before this year is ended, this year 1975"

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1975 failed prediction?

by Garrett in

jw
friends

heyo,.

your favorite garrett here.

so, i'm about to have an elder tell me allll about the failed 1975 doctrine.

Splash

2 Cor 13:1 On the testimony of two or three witnesses every matter must be established.

There are many more than two or three witnesses to the 1975 false hope. This should be enough to establish the truth of it.

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Huge Shift in Doctrine?

by Lemonp in

i am not sure why more people aren't talking about this?.

the march 15 study edition of the wt has some major changes!

- all unbiblical "types and antitypes" are now dropped.

Splash

The Wicked and Sluggish Slave.

Former explanation:
The wicked and sluggish slave refers to anointed ones in the 1914 era who refused to share in the preaching work.

Omitted explanation:
For decades the wicked and sluggish slave refers to the lazy ones of Babylon the Great.

Adjusted explanation:
Jesus was not foretelling that a group of his anointed followers would make up a wicked slave class. Rather, he was warning his followers about what would happen if they thought and acted in a way that would cause him to view them as wicked and sluggish.

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Did Jehovah's Witnesses dishonestly insert the word "Apostate" in their custom version of the Bible

by Watchtower-Free in

interesting article.

http://doctrinesoffaith.com/more-errors-in-jehovahs-witness-new-world-translation-bible/.

more intentional repeated errors in new world translation bible: a study on apostates.

Splash

(Proverbs 11:9) By his mouth the apostate brings his neighbor to ruin

(Romans 5:6) For, indeed, while we were still weak, Christ died for ungodly men

These are both from the NWT, and highlight why you should be consistent with your renderings.
The same Greek word is used in both of these instances, in one they are an apostate, and in the other Christ dies for them.

Why they didn't translate Pr 11:9 the same as the other verses around it where that word occurs ("wicked") we can only guess:

(Proverbs 11:5) the wicked one will fall
(Proverbs 11:7) When a wicked man dies
(Proverbs 11:8) the wicked one comes in instead of him
(Proverbs 11:9) By his mouth the apostate brings his neighbor to ruin
(Proverbs 11:10) when the wicked ones perish
(Proverbs 11:11) the mouth of the wicked ones

etc.

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Jury Service in the UK

by Nambo in

i had always thought the powers that be knew i was a jw and so never called me up for jury service.. today however, i received a summons for jury service.. what is the jw's position on jury service?, what will happen to me when i refuse to swear an oath?.

Splash

If you're an elder it is allowed.

In fact if you're an elder you can be jury AND judge.

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Vulcan--Your Not Going to Find These at Your Public Library!

by Atlantis in

http://wwwb.fileflyer.com/view/a2ockb5.

.. .. 1883-1884-the world's hope-from the book.. http://wwwb.fileflyer.com/view/q2wfgat.

http://wwwb.fileflyer.com/view/vx6w1au.

Splash

I originally gave you a Thumbs Up, but want to echo CTD too.

Thank you!

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LATEST NEWS: CANDANCE CONTI VERIDICT READY - WT LOST!!!!!!!

by Viva la Vida in

jw
friends

i'm not an expert but that is my understanding of this: .

opinion filed.. (signed published) the judgment against defendants on the negligence count is affirmed.

the judgment against watchtower on the cause of action for punitive damages is reversed with directions to enter judgment for watchtower on punitive damages.

Splash

Yes. The WT vet you, train you, organise you and equip you, then you must report back to them your activity and results. If you fail to meet their monthly requirements they interview you and may even sanction you.

But it is done entirely voluntarily.