Sauerkraut

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  Pat Condell on Aggressive Atheism

  by cantleave in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is pretty much how i feel.......who disagrees with this?.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=yjo4duhmrzk&noredirect=1.

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  What's the meaning of "WPOTD"?

  Edit: worst post of the day?
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  Pat Condell on Aggressive Atheism

  by cantleave in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is pretty much how i feel.......who disagrees with this?.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=yjo4duhmrzk&noredirect=1.

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  New Chapter, I hope I can explain what I mean. Sometimes it's not so easy for me to clearly express my thoughts. What I mean is taking ourselves, as individuals too serious, or rather not to do so. I differentiate between that and taking issues and a cause serious. Because I don't take myself as an individual that serious I can deal with being wrong and respect others and what they think and am willing and open to consider what they think. But it doesn't mean that I don't take issues serious that need to be addressed, it doesn't mean that I'm not watchful. Quite contrary. I differentiate between myself and principles/issues. Lets take the hotheads in the middle east as an example. They are crazily serious about their views (fundamental Christians aren't that different). Just because I don't take myself as a person and my views overly serious it doesn't mean that I wouldn't stand up against them, I would, I do. We all have the freedom and right to have our own opinion and views, but we have the duty to grant others the same freedom. When others don't abide by that it's a matter of principle and that needs to be addressed and taken care of. It's an issue that needs to be taken serious, as you said and I fully agree with that. I hope I'm making sense. You could say one is about taking personal offense and the other about justice and fairness. When things become a matter of fairness and justice it's important to do something about it.

  Ideally we should all be able to sit down and listen to each other and say: "Hey, I don't feel or think the same way, but who knows, you may be on to something. Either way, I respect your view and how you feel." And we should confront those who are unwilling to do that. But that's another story, usually those unwilling have a problem with fairness.

  Btw, I'm not sour.
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  Pat Condell on Aggressive Atheism

  by cantleave in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is pretty much how i feel.......who disagrees with this?.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=yjo4duhmrzk&noredirect=1.

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  Sauerkraut

  If I don't take my beliefs too serious I will be more inclined to respect your beliefs and views. And I will be open to question mine and listen if you question mine. It's easier to give others the benefit of the doubt that way. With a mentality like that fewer people would even think about shooting others or worry about anti-blasphemy laws.

  Where did I say that things don't matter or that anyone should dismiss things? You seem to be reading more into my words than necessary.

  Outlaw evangelism.

  You have my full support!
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  Pat Condell on Aggressive Atheism

  by cantleave in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is pretty much how i feel.......who disagrees with this?.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=yjo4duhmrzk&noredirect=1.

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  Aggression is defensive? I didn't watch any further when he said that. Thinking that is silly. It's also tiresome that all people who are religious are considered to be inable to take criticism, it's just not true. I'm religious but am very critical of religion as in institutions myself. And I don't mind if others who are Atheists dish out. Pat Condell takes himself far too seriously, as too many people do. That's the root of the problem, it's not whether you believe in God or not, it's taking yourself and whatever you believe in too seriously.
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  A Mormon becomes a JW in the Feb 2013 Watchtower...

  by cedars in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  glancing through the feb 2013 "public" watchtower edition, an interesting article appears on page 8.. here is the pdf download link.... http://www.jw.org/download/?fileformat=pdf&issue=20130201&output=html&pub=wp&langwritten=e&option=trgchlzrqvnyvrxf&txtcmslang=e.

  it's interesting how, in the story, the young man's jw aunt and uncle switch him from mormonism to the jw faith using third-party material (the nov 8, 1995 awake!

  article), and he ends up becoming a jw after confirming on the official mormon website that the claims in the awake!

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  @ Cold Steel: do Mormons practice shunning?
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  RBC biggie divulges WTS expects disaster victims helped by RBC volunteers to fork over insurance money to the WTS

  by oppostate in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  my wife spent all morning long preparing this super thanksgiving banquet.

  with a huge turkey, stuffing, mashed potatoes, gravy, cranberry sauce.

  and greenbeen salad, pie and icecream.. yummy!.

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  Not even members are deserving of charity. Everytime I think the WTS can't surprise me anymore I find out something new that makes me sick. And they manage to use and misuse everything for publicity stunts.
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  Are You Ever Tempted To Talk To JWs When You See Them?

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  either in your neighborhood, in the ministry, on vacation?

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  moshe: For me, talkin' to JWs is easy peasy--Here is moshe's car group on Thanksgiving day on 2010- I just showed up at the KH and went through the motions as I remembered them- they let me join them just like I was a JW on vacation, as must happen regularly in FL- but they never asked me, if I was one. The JWs went through the motions of doing field service- but they only talked to a few people and just offered a lame presentation and some literature, that nobody accepted- but they got 2 hours in! They are not the hard hitters in field service that I remember from 25 years ago-- The guy on the left was a little suspicsious of me, wasn't he?

  Moshe, just to be sure, since I don't know all the backgrounds (being new here). You're an exJW and you went out in field service? Just for fun?
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  My mother passed away this morning...

  by Tatiana in

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  2. friends

  for any old-school ex-jws here that remember my many posts about my abusive jw mother and my sister committing suicide because of it...she passed away this morning because she began to bleed out and refused a transfusion.

  she had been in the hospital for a month.

  it appears she suffered a stroke and wasn't found by the brothers & sisters for three days (they missed her at the meetings).

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  Tatiana, I wish I could say more than just "sorry". I read the three threads you posted and can only imagine how many thoughts and emotions you must be dealing with right now. Hopefully you will have peace very soon. You are a kind person.
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  Are We Living At The End Of An Age?

  by metatron in

  1. jw
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  i hardly know what else to call it.

  i have felt many emotions in my life and anxiety, many times but this is different.. it's a sense of the impending, a build up of pressure like a wall of water behind a cracking dam.

  when does it break?.

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  The ashes of WW3 might open the way for change.
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  Mother Teresa attacked by Atheist/Anostic group -

  by james_woods in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  while i am no fan of mother teresa after reading some of the revealed facts about her life and work - i thought this was just a little out of the realm of polite conversation (but was interesting):.

  atheist group at dartmouth plans anti mother teresa event.. .

  http://www.campusreform.org/blog/?id=4503.

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  Seems to me that there is plenty of valid criticism regarding MT. Whether one is a "believer" or atheist it should be clear that MT wasn't the shining example for humanity that many believe. Did she do good? Yes. But shouldn't she be measured by what she could have, should have done? Let's say she did do good, but was it possible for her to do better? Seems that way.

  And if it turns out that someone has rather twisted views and motivations it can hardly be character assassination to bring that to the fore. Some criticize the college atheist group for their stance, but it gives people the opportunity to look at the bigger picture and hopefully get rid of some illusions. I wish people would learn to be more sceptical and take a closer look at seemingly noble public figures. They seldom deserve the hero worship they get.