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  TATTOO

  by The Fall Guy in

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  i have a tattoo of an envelope about half-way up the front of my leg.

  it means i've got a knee mail to look at each day.

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  konceptual99

  knee mail... e-mail.... tiki...

  *groan*
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  So there are only 12 magazines left!

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  2. bible

  ok, so hot on the heels of the announcement at the agm, we have been told that there are probably only 12 magazines left!.

  yes, there will be only 3 wt each year, and 3 awakes.... and that they will do this for two years, then reprint those issues.... so yes, the "abundance of spiritual food" is limited to 12 more magazines..... surely, this is proof of the end coming so soon!?!

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  The letter read at the meeting last night, as published on here last Saturday, does not mention the 2 years only for the Public magazines nor the combining of the Study WT with the Simplified WT.
  Those little gems are still to be released to the congregations!

  interesting. That's why my wife didn't mention them. I didn't mention it myself so as not to invoke a difficult conversation but I did wonder if perhaps it had not been announced.
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  So there are only 12 magazines left!

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  ok, so hot on the heels of the announcement at the agm, we have been told that there are probably only 12 magazines left!.

  yes, there will be only 3 wt each year, and 3 awakes.... and that they will do this for two years, then reprint those issues.... so yes, the "abundance of spiritual food" is limited to 12 more magazines..... surely, this is proof of the end coming so soon!?!

  😉.

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  My wife came back from the mtg last night and told me some letters had been read and relayed what I already knew from here.

  She said the emphasis would be more on using the videos and conversing with people. I was thinking good luck with that one. The ministry is going to be even less effective IMHO.
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  U.K. NHS Attitude to Blood Transfusion and its Safety

  by BluesBrother in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  while visiting someone at the local hospital i saw this leaflet " will i need a blood transfusion ?

  - patient information" .

  now i was raised in the belief that doctors are transfusion-happy and just give you one willy nilly if they operate , further that a trans.

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  At least at that time WT health concerns about BT did not prove to be idiotic

  According to you, it's all about the Bible command and health is irrelevant. Which is also what the WTS has stated in print. Not only that, the blood supply in most Western lands has been safe for decades. The figures back that up. Of course it can't be 100% safe but the majority of issues with blood transfusions are due to mistakes in the use rather than a problem with the blood itself. I had a conversation with a current HLC member who said EXACTLY this in the past 6 weeks.

  The WTS would not look idiotic for any reasons associated with health. They would look stupid for reversing a core piece of doctrine. They could release Witnesses from the illogical nonsense but refuse to do so and just introduce more twists in logic to try and make the illogical appear logical.

  Your referring to lawsuits and all seem to be implying that wt has different motives for their direction on blood at this time

  Yes. Their refusal to drop it is not out of love for their interpretation of some Bible verses. That's probably 3rd or 4th on list.

  again challenging wt leadership.

  You confuse me with someone that cares
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  How Many Witnesses Would Really Take Blood?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  up until the very end, my mother refused blood.

  it didn't matter if it was a blurred line or not, the bible says "no blood"!

  i wonder if she was in the minority, in her thinking.

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  So even when they allowed fractions, she wouldn't bend on the previous application of 'no blood, no how, no way'

  You know what, my mother is the same. But she is old school and there are few with that sense of conscience and fundamental principle anymore.

  The vast majority will do anything they can't be DFed for (or disassociated by their actions to be precise).

  Not only that, but going the other way also means considering things like vaccines and things grown in bone meal.
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  U.K. NHS Attitude to Blood Transfusion and its Safety

  by BluesBrother in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  while visiting someone at the local hospital i saw this leaflet " will i need a blood transfusion ?

  - patient information" .

  now i was raised in the belief that doctors are transfusion-happy and just give you one willy nilly if they operate , further that a trans.

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  The blood prohibition only remains because the WTS cannot give it up completely without looking like a bunch of idiots and, more to the point, risking opening up a host of legal claims for compensation. Ultimately EVERYTHING in the WTS comes back to money.

  They have created a maze of logical nonsense to give Witnesses as many options to take blood as possible to try and minimise the risk of deaths and the associated bad publicity.

  They have got caught trying to water down an edict that really they can only interpret with a fundamental bias that they are not prepared to stand by.

  Sure they stick to Biblical texts as the basis for the prohibition (which is more than they do for the generation explanation) but it would be naive to think the continued arbitrary position on whole blood and the four so called primary components is any thing other than a compromise to suit organisational policy goals.

  They have the similar issues with 1914 and the generation interpretation.
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  October 1, 2017 TO ALL BOE IN NIGERIA Re: Local Needs For the Week of October 16-22

  by wifibandit in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  october 1, 2017 to all bodies of elders in nigeria re: local needs for the week of october 16-22.

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  If the letter came from the Nigerian branch office, then the language and verbiage are not off to me. This African use of English is not unusual, even well educated Nigerians will not usually sound like westerners, even brainwashed ones.

  Not saying the letter is fake one way or the other but you forget that branches in Africa still have their fair share of white Westerners in senior positions just to keep the locals nicely in line.
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  How Many Witnesses Would Really Take Blood?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  up until the very end, my mother refused blood.

  it didn't matter if it was a blurred line or not, the bible says "no blood"!

  i wonder if she was in the minority, in her thinking.

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  Sorry Ray but I think you might have misunderstood what I meant.

  You are right that Witnesses take the blood policy seriously and often make a stand almost as a reflex action. In these circumstances however what is really happening is that the Witness is making a stand for whatever the FDS have said is currently acceptable and not acceptable. They don't make logical and conscience driven decisions based on their own understanding and research.

  If the FDS change their mind then so too the mind and conscience of the majority changes. This is where my comment comes in.

  If the FDS ever further reduced the scope of the prohibition or even removed it then my money would be on the R&F simply following them and accepting the new scope. They would all take whatever if the WTS said it was now ok.

  I have to say I don't see the WTS removing the prohibition completely as the legal exposure is probably scaring them.

  As has been pointed out in another thread the whole blood situation is far more about organisation policy management than a truly theological position based on honest and conscience driven interpretation.
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  How Many Witnesses Would Really Take Blood?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  up until the very end, my mother refused blood.

  it didn't matter if it was a blurred line or not, the bible says "no blood"!

  i wonder if she was in the minority, in her thinking.

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  All of them. They are all prepared to take it in whatever form the GB say is OK.

  If the GB said it was all OK they would happily stick the needle in themselves.
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  BEAT that Child!

  by Farkel in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this is sort of a continuation of threads on dubs and how they are conditioned to discipline their children.

  someone questioned whether the society actually encouraged dubs to whup their children.

  i only had enough time to dig up a few salient quotes from the wt magazine.

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  I have had some very odd conversations with people on this. I did smack my children occasionally when a relatively new father but I thought about it, worked out I was being a dick so stopped. I can't understand why so many still feel it's not just acceptable but a reasonable way to moderate behaviour. You have to stop sometime and find another way so why not from day 1?

  Not that long ago a friend said to me that a lack of smacking is why kids are so bad today. I had a heated conversation with her as the ignorance and logical fallacies spewing out of her mouth infuriated me. She still didn't get it, accusing me of not respecting others' right to raise their kids as they see fit. I told her society's historical deference to the seemingly unassailable right of parents to do what they like with their kids is why child abuse has gone on for so long.