Posts by konceptual99

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What exactly is the JANUARY 2018 WT trying to tell J.W.'s?

by The Fall Guy in

the needle has been stuck on the record for over 130 years - thanks to mr. russell and his successive cohorts:.

page 11, paragraph 19 - “as this system nears its end,....”.

page 13, paragraph 5 - “do my actions show that i truly believe that these are the last days and that the end of satan’s rule is near?”.

konceptual99

WT 1967 - 50 years ago...

We today live in critical times. These are the “last days” of this wicked system of things. Already over fifty-two years have passed since the Kingdom’s establishment in heaven in 1914. The end of six thousand years of human history is very close. The physical facts that mark our time as the “conclusion of the system of things” are unmistakable. (Matt. 24:3) It is a time of great urgency. Do we believe it? The fact is that some who profess to believe it may lose out on the blessings of God’s new system of things because they are not keeping their minds and hearts fixed on the hope ahead.

WT 1973 - 44 years ago...

If you are one of Jehovah’s dedicated witnesses, you believe that the generation of people now living is in its “last days.” You believe that it is urgent to help others to become approved servants of Jehovah God and put themselves in line for surviving the coming world “tribulation” that will bring the “last days” to their end. You also believe that it is God’s will that “all sorts of men should be saved and come to an accurate knowledge of truth.” (1 Tim. 2:4) Does what you believe about the “last days,” the coming “tribulation,” and God’s purpose for man stir you to activity? Does your whole way of life demonstrate that you really believe that these are the “last days” and that people’s lives are in danger?

WT - 1986 - 31 years ago

Fulfillment of Bible prophecy indicates that we are living in the last days of this wicked world, or system of things. This generation has seen the fulfillment of Jesus’ great prophecy regarding his presence and the conclusion of this system of things: wars, earthquakes, famines, pestilences, increase of lawlessness, and the preaching of the good news of God’s Kingdom. (Matthew 24:1-35; Luke 21:10, 11) That pinpoints our time as the last days of this wicked world.

KM - 5/84 - 33 years ago

These are the last days; theocratic expansion is taking place everywhere, and potential for further increase is no doubt indicated in your congregation’s recent Memorial attendance.—Isa. 60:22; Mark 13:10.

Need I say more....

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TATTOO

by The Fall Guy in

i have a tattoo of an envelope about half-way up the front of my leg.

it means i've got a knee mail to look at each day.

:).

konceptual99

knee mail... e-mail.... tiki...

*groan*

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So there are only 12 magazines left!

by stuckinarut2 in

ok, so hot on the heels of the announcement at the agm, we have been told that there are probably only 12 magazines left!.

yes, there will be only 3 wt each year, and 3 awakes.... and that they will do this for two years, then reprint those issues.... so yes, the "abundance of spiritual food" is limited to 12 more magazines..... surely, this is proof of the end coming so soon!?!

😉.

konceptual99

The letter read at the meeting last night, as published on here last Saturday, does not mention the 2 years only for the Public magazines nor the combining of the Study WT with the Simplified WT.
Those little gems are still to be released to the congregations!

interesting. That's why my wife didn't mention them. I didn't mention it myself so as not to invoke a difficult conversation but I did wonder if perhaps it had not been announced.

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So there are only 12 magazines left!

by stuckinarut2 in

ok, so hot on the heels of the announcement at the agm, we have been told that there are probably only 12 magazines left!.

yes, there will be only 3 wt each year, and 3 awakes.... and that they will do this for two years, then reprint those issues.... so yes, the "abundance of spiritual food" is limited to 12 more magazines..... surely, this is proof of the end coming so soon!?!

😉.

konceptual99

My wife came back from the mtg last night and told me some letters had been read and relayed what I already knew from here.

She said the emphasis would be more on using the videos and conversing with people. I was thinking good luck with that one. The ministry is going to be even less effective IMHO.

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U.K. NHS Attitude to Blood Transfusion and its Safety

by BluesBrother in

while visiting someone at the local hospital i saw this leaflet " will i need a blood transfusion ?

- patient information" .

now i was raised in the belief that doctors are transfusion-happy and just give you one willy nilly if they operate , further that a trans.

konceptual99

At least at that time WT health concerns about BT did not prove to be idiotic

According to you, it's all about the Bible command and health is irrelevant. Which is also what the WTS has stated in print. Not only that, the blood supply in most Western lands has been safe for decades. The figures back that up. Of course it can't be 100% safe but the majority of issues with blood transfusions are due to mistakes in the use rather than a problem with the blood itself. I had a conversation with a current HLC member who said EXACTLY this in the past 6 weeks.

The WTS would not look idiotic for any reasons associated with health. They would look stupid for reversing a core piece of doctrine. They could release Witnesses from the illogical nonsense but refuse to do so and just introduce more twists in logic to try and make the illogical appear logical.

Your referring to lawsuits and all seem to be implying that wt has different motives for their direction on blood at this time

Yes. Their refusal to drop it is not out of love for their interpretation of some Bible verses. That's probably 3rd or 4th on list.

again challenging wt leadership.

You confuse me with someone that cares

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How Many Witnesses Would Really Take Blood?

by minimus in

jw
friends

up until the very end, my mother refused blood.

it didn't matter if it was a blurred line or not, the bible says "no blood"!

i wonder if she was in the minority, in her thinking.

konceptual99

So even when they allowed fractions, she wouldn't bend on the previous application of 'no blood, no how, no way'

You know what, my mother is the same. But she is old school and there are few with that sense of conscience and fundamental principle anymore.

The vast majority will do anything they can't be DFed for (or disassociated by their actions to be precise).

Not only that, but going the other way also means considering things like vaccines and things grown in bone meal.

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U.K. NHS Attitude to Blood Transfusion and its Safety

by BluesBrother in

while visiting someone at the local hospital i saw this leaflet " will i need a blood transfusion ?

- patient information" .

now i was raised in the belief that doctors are transfusion-happy and just give you one willy nilly if they operate , further that a trans.

konceptual99

The blood prohibition only remains because the WTS cannot give it up completely without looking like a bunch of idiots and, more to the point, risking opening up a host of legal claims for compensation. Ultimately EVERYTHING in the WTS comes back to money.

They have created a maze of logical nonsense to give Witnesses as many options to take blood as possible to try and minimise the risk of deaths and the associated bad publicity.

They have got caught trying to water down an edict that really they can only interpret with a fundamental bias that they are not prepared to stand by.

Sure they stick to Biblical texts as the basis for the prohibition (which is more than they do for the generation explanation) but it would be naive to think the continued arbitrary position on whole blood and the four so called primary components is any thing other than a compromise to suit organisational policy goals.

They have the similar issues with 1914 and the generation interpretation.

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October 1, 2017 TO ALL BOE IN NIGERIA Re: Local Needs For the Week of October 16-22

by wifibandit in

october 1, 2017 to all bodies of elders in nigeria re: local needs for the week of october 16-22.

konceptual99

If the letter came from the Nigerian branch office, then the language and verbiage are not off to me. This African use of English is not unusual, even well educated Nigerians will not usually sound like westerners, even brainwashed ones.

Not saying the letter is fake one way or the other but you forget that branches in Africa still have their fair share of white Westerners in senior positions just to keep the locals nicely in line.

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How Many Witnesses Would Really Take Blood?

by minimus in

jw
friends

up until the very end, my mother refused blood.

it didn't matter if it was a blurred line or not, the bible says "no blood"!

i wonder if she was in the minority, in her thinking.

konceptual99

Sorry Ray but I think you might have misunderstood what I meant.

You are right that Witnesses take the blood policy seriously and often make a stand almost as a reflex action. In these circumstances however what is really happening is that the Witness is making a stand for whatever the FDS have said is currently acceptable and not acceptable. They don't make logical and conscience driven decisions based on their own understanding and research.

If the FDS change their mind then so too the mind and conscience of the majority changes. This is where my comment comes in.

If the FDS ever further reduced the scope of the prohibition or even removed it then my money would be on the R&F simply following them and accepting the new scope. They would all take whatever if the WTS said it was now ok.

I have to say I don't see the WTS removing the prohibition completely as the legal exposure is probably scaring them.

As has been pointed out in another thread the whole blood situation is far more about organisation policy management than a truly theological position based on honest and conscience driven interpretation.

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How Many Witnesses Would Really Take Blood?

by minimus in

jw
friends

up until the very end, my mother refused blood.

it didn't matter if it was a blurred line or not, the bible says "no blood"!

i wonder if she was in the minority, in her thinking.

konceptual99

All of them. They are all prepared to take it in whatever form the GB say is OK.

If the GB said it was all OK they would happily stick the needle in themselves.